Why Is CCSD Allowing The Biz Center and 321 Sweepstakes To Operate

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Bubbles

Enfield, IL

#1 Feb 23, 2013
I thought that sweepstakes parlors were banned in January. Both the Biz Center and 321 Sweepstakes are open again. My tax dollars help pay for law enforcement so what's the deal with the Sheriffs Dept letting them re-open? I am against these type of businesses and thought that we could depend on CCSD to enforce the law. Guess I was mistaken.
bsprice

Morganton, NC

#2 Feb 23, 2013
Bubbles wrote:
I thought that sweepstakes parlors were banned in January. Both the Biz Center and 321 Sweepstakes are open again. My tax dollars help pay for law enforcement so what's the deal with the Sheriffs Dept letting them re-open? I am against these type of businesses and thought that we could depend on CCSD to enforce the law. Guess I was mistaken.
guess u r an idiot
really

Lenoir, NC

#3 Feb 23, 2013
Bubbles wrote:
I thought that sweepstakes parlors were banned in January. Both the Biz Center and 321 Sweepstakes are open again. My tax dollars help pay for law enforcement so what's the deal with the Sheriffs Dept letting them re-open? I am against these type of businesses and thought that we could depend on CCSD to enforce the law. Guess I was mistaken.
The sweepstakes are not illegal if systems have been converted however as always with this screwed up state and a indecisive NC attorney general failing to issue a directive, they are forcing local sheriffs to make the decision of legality which is entirely unconstitutional because local sheriffs are not gaming experts qualified to make this decision, that is a judges job. This is why over 2/3rds of the counties in NC continue to operate sweepstakes and the others do not. The state is basically allowing the decision to be based on personal and moral beliefs of the sheriffs and not based on state law, which is fundamentally wrong and unconstitutional. Selective enforcement is not permitted by state law yet the state allows it to continue. So far only a couple of arrest statewide have even been made since Jan because if the games are pre reveal then I don't believe the cases are winnable by the state and they realize this. Soon this will face a court challenge and also I expect to see lawsuits being filed for damages against counties which forced and threatened sweepstakes to close based not on legal standings but rather personal and moral beliefs of the local sheriffs. It is a tough situation for both sides yet the state fails to take a firm position which basically tells us the state really does not think they can win this time around.
rrod

Lake City, SC

#4 Feb 23, 2013
Bubbles wrote:
I thought that sweepstakes parlors were banned in January. Both the Biz Center and 321 Sweepstakes are open again. My tax dollars help pay for law enforcement so what's the deal with the Sheriffs Dept letting them re-open? I am against these type of businesses and thought that we could depend on CCSD to enforce the law. Guess I was mistaken.
What's saying. Not who u know but who u ????? u againist them??? bet u first in line to buy lottery tickets or play in Cherokee but state loves lottery $$$$ its why the hate sweepstake place. State dont like competition
revolution32

Morganton, NC

#5 Feb 24, 2013
I think they should be allowed to reopen period. I read that if the business has a certain software from a certain company it brings them into compliance. The Biz Center is based in Winston Salem I believe and can likely afford to make the switch to the software. The one in Morganton(owned by the same people) is also open again. It is harmless fun - no different than wasting money on Wii games, DS games,going to Bos for a night of expensive fun, etc., etc.. With these places you can actually get money and if you win over a certain amount the government gets their cut. This has nothing to do with morals --- this is about money -- you can bet on that!
boogie man

Lenoir, NC

#6 Feb 24, 2013
yeah they got the system hacked and thats how their laundering money from drug profits
really

Blacksburg, SC

#7 Feb 24, 2013
boogie man wrote:
yeah they got the system hacked and thats how their laundering money from drug profits
Lincoln once said.. "Better to be thought a fool,than to speak and remove all doubt" Guess he had you in mind... I think all the systems ran locally have been converted to pre reveal and are ran by legitimate business's. Most are awaiting an order by the courts to reopen.
love those games

Ashburn, VA

#8 Feb 24, 2013
I say legalize them it's no worse than the lotto I think they are just mad because the lotto not getting it.the lotto is a bigger rip off than they are how many people do you see win in nc not many it's very rare.and they are good for socializing I met slot of nice people in those places and slot were elderly or disabled what else can we do don't drink don't smoke can't party give us a break we want to have fun too.
WTH

Enfield, IL

#9 Feb 24, 2013
The original question was how are these 2 businesses operating and no other sweepstakes in Caldwell County can. It's not right that certain ones are allowed to run. If one can be open then they all should be open. It does seem like selective enforcement by the sheriffs dept. I'm sure the other places have had their software changed to pre reveal. I guarantee if any of the other places open back up the sheriffs dept will shut them down immediately. Try calling the sheriffs dept and ask that question. All you get is a run around.
CCSO

Lenoir, NC

#10 Feb 24, 2013
Contribute to Sheriff Jones reelection fund and you can keep your business open too... is that clear enough for you.
really

Travelers Rest, SC

#11 Feb 26, 2013
WTH wrote:
The original question was how are these 2 businesses operating and no other sweepstakes in Caldwell County can. It's not right that certain ones are allowed to run. If one can be open then they all should be open. It does seem like selective enforcement by the sheriffs dept. I'm sure the other places have had their software changed to pre reveal. I guarantee if any of the other places open back up the sheriffs dept will shut them down immediately. Try calling the sheriffs dept and ask that question. All you get is a run around.
The sweepstakes issue is another typical NC screwed up mess. They pass a half assed law yet leaving everyone from the providers, the operators and law enforcement hanging in the gray area not sure which way to turn. This is a perfect display of the states lack of leadership, it is easier to pass the blame onto someone else at a local level than for the states top leaders to man up and make a decision. The entire reason the states leaders have failed to address the pre reveal issue is because they realize the courts will not uphold the ruling. God forbid they tarnish their golden image. If you think this state gives one rats ass about creating jobs, increase businesses or even "protecting" it's citizens then you are the fool. This states concerns are creating the maximum profit for the state and keeping their political image clean for reelection. The only reason the state worries with sweepstakes is because of greed, the state wants the profits pushed to the lottery commission and not private business. They can preach morals all they wish but I assure you in the next couple years NC will offer video poker via VLT's tied to the lottery thus allowing maximum profits for the state. Morals my ass, it's pure greed by the once great state of NC, which amazingly ranks near the worst of states for Unemployment, avg income, education, business development, tourism and growth,, and people wonder why.
what

Lenoir, NC

#12 Feb 27, 2013
There was already pre reveal before the court ruling at the biz center. so why did they close at all. Other places operated under pre reveal before the court ruling and they are still closed so why?
really

Indian Trail, NC

#13 Feb 27, 2013
what wrote:
There was already pre reveal before the court ruling at the biz center. so why did they close at all. Other places operated under pre reveal before the court ruling and they are still closed so why?
Since the legal change on Jan 3rd banning entertaining display and the conversation to pre-reveal there has yet to be a judges ruling on the legality of pre-reveal nor has the Attorney General offered a clear directive other than for local sheriffs to decide county by county if they wish to allow pre-reveal to operate which is cowardly on the states part. About 70% of the counties opted to allow operation pending further court decisions. Locally the sheriff has county locations closed but allowing local cities to regulate themselves it appears. I personally do not agree with his decision but as well feel we must abide by it until the courts clarify the terms of the ruling. The state has put local law enforcement, the local DA and game operators in an odd position by not doing their job at the state level but rather pushing the political blowback on local officials which is basically ineptness by state officials. An appeal to the US Supreme court is pending. Also charges have been very limited across the state which has not afforded the gaming industry the option of getting the question of pre reveal back into the state court system as of now. The state basically accomplished their goal because now the counties that want sweepstakes have them and the counties that do not want them have forced them closed. Best of both worlds at the state level with all the political ramifications at election time falling back on local politicians and not the state political structure which shows a complete lack of leadership in Raleigh. Once Raleigh decides the most profitable avenue for them via heavy taxation of gaming or controlling it thru the lottery commission you will see a complete turn-around by state officials suddenly showing favor for the industry as they count the profits in Raleigh
rrod

Denver, NC

#14 Mar 4, 2013
CCSO wrote:
Contribute to Sheriff Jones reelection fund and you can keep your business open too... is that clear enough for you.
It sure looks Iike it. 1 place can open, police forced all others closed, big story about all depts together then jones pushes it off on Hudson PD to deal with. Way to go CCSD, typical Caldwell Co politics, what a shame
Truth

Morganton, NC

#15 Mar 4, 2013
Ask Lenoir Police Department, that's in the CITY.
Truth

Morganton, NC

#16 Mar 4, 2013
Ask Hudson Police Department, that's in the town of HUDSON.
rrod

Denver, NC

#17 Mar 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
Ask Hudson Police Department, that's in the town of HUDSON.
But Sheriff is supposedly the deciding person according to Attorney General and remember the big news article jones saying he was not having sweepstakes and all local police depts were on the same enforcement plan and working together ..I have an opinion but will save it till election time. What PI**es me off is I supported and campaigned for jones last time. Lesson learned.
grease the wheel

Lenoir, NC

#18 Mar 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
Ask Lenoir Police Department, that's in the CITY.
It doesn't matter its the Sheriffs call... he basically decides. All law enforcement inside a county basically are under the Sheriff and his Deputies. The Sheriff has final word on all LEO matters. Last I checked Lenoir and Hudson are inside the county and not their own counties. The Sheriff delegated to each LEO agency to handle their respective towns sweepstakes establishments but it's his call on who stays or goes, all gambling and gaming falls to the Sheriff to enforce under state laws. Like someone else pointed out... it comes down to which ones want to grease Jones and CCSD the most. The Sheriff has an election coming next year, better break out the money if you want to stay open.
really

Cherryville, NC

#19 Mar 5, 2013
CCSO wrote:
Contribute to Sheriff Jones reelection fund and you can keep your business open too... is that clear enough for you.
I don't think Jones has any idea of the local political fallout created by his decisions involving sweepstakes. The number owners, workers, landlords, and mainly the players easily number a 1000. Then include their families and friends with a negative opinion of CCSD and quickly you are in thousands which may not sound like a large number, but remember Jones only won the primary election by about 3000 votes. Now, other side of the coin , many have complained over selective enforcement and non gaming supporters are displeased any locations are open, so basically straddling the fence has cost Jones support from both sides. Not a politically wise action. Do the math yourself . It's not rocket science..
Argumentative

Lenoir, NC

#20 Mar 5, 2013
It's a Sheriffs decision....depending what county in this state. Well, this state sits on US soil where freedom is supposed to exist. Why is this country starting to look more like Communist? I think the NC Lottery sees that sales are down. People aren't winning. Education lottery and since passed schools continue to close down. I say sweepstakes parlors stay open because bingo parlors still operate. Jones will let you stay open, just help him campaign $$$.

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