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MA Sales Tax Relief Act, Question 3

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Not a Townie

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endendthefed wrote:
If you think you get no benefits from your taxes, you must not drive or have gone to school or needed a policeman or fireman, etc., etc., etc.. You lose alot of credibility when you say you see so many people driving around in Mercedes and Beamers. While there are abuses of the system, you can't really believe that most of the people on welfare live that well. If you want to complain about people who abuse the system, complain about the corporations that pay no taxes and get multi million dollar hand outs from the gov., they waste more of your money in a minute than does the welfare cheat in a year.
I agree with what you're saying about corporations abusing the system. But as far as my losing credibility, your post says you are posting from Adams, Ma. Last time I checked that's a very small town with a small population so therefore you are most likely very sheltered from seeing wide spread welfare abuse so you can not possibly argue my point when you don't see what I do on a daily basis. Furthermore I stated that tax money should be used for only what is was intended for....this does as far as I know include schools, police and fire departments.
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Not a Townie wrote:
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I agree with what you're saying about corporations abusing the system. But as far as my losing credibility, your post says you are posting from Adams, Ma. Last time I checked that's a very small town with a small population so therefore you are most likely very sheltered from seeing wide spread welfare abuse so you can not possibly argue my point when you don't see what I do on a daily basis. Furthermore I stated that tax money should be used for only what is was intended for....this does as far as I know include schools, police and fire departments.
Please show me 4.5 Billion dollars worth of welfare abuse - because that would be the deficit our state will face next year of this ballot question passes.
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If tax money shouldn't be used for police, schools etc., how should they be funded? While I now live in a small town, I have not always. I have seen these abuses of welfare in big cities and small towns and I don't believe they are that much of a percentage of the total. I also get annoyed with people taking advantage of the system but I feel most of these people need some kind of help. 10% of the country is unemployed and more have had their unemployment run out. Should we just let them and their families die? Better that some get to abuse the system than we let that happen.
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Forgot to include welfare in my first line
Not a Townie

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Tired of mudslinging wrote:
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Please show me 4.5 Billion dollars worth of welfare abuse - because that would be the deficit our state will face next year of this ballot question passes.
I've stated my opinions,you have stated yours, I just don't happen to agree with what you're saying... social programs and big free spending government are not the answer.

See all you left wingers on November 2.
Just remember, if you don't vote than you don't matter....We can "mudsling" as you say all day long on this blog, but the only way to truly voice your opinion is to go to the poles and vote!!!!
Tired of mudslinging

Chelmsford, MA

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Not a Townie wrote:
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I've stated my opinions,you have stated yours, I just don't happen to agree with what you're saying... social programs and big free spending government are not the answer.
See all you left wingers on November 2.
Just remember, if you don't vote than you don't matter....We can "mudsling" as you say all day long on this blog, but the only way to truly voice your opinion is to go to the poles and vote!!!!
I didn't state an opinion, just a fact - a 3% cut in sales tax revenue would mean a deficit of 2.5 Billion and we are already facing another 2 Billion deficit because of the effects of the recession. I'm all for eliminating waste but show me where you can find 4.5 Billion in waste. I don't think we can find that much. So some essential services will most likely be cut.

Why do you feel the need to throw around terms like "left wingers" when it isn't really relevant to the discussion. Less revenue to the state means cuts - period. The question is where do you cut? I think that folks who think local aid and essential services won't be cut and that you can find 4.5 Billion waste are living in fantasy land.

And I will definitely be voting - I always do.
hard dude

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Xzivikus wrote:
Why I believe it is a wise decision to vote "NO" on ballot Question #3 Sales and Use Tax Rates: Voting "yes" to reduce the Massachusetts tax rate to 3% is not only unwise but would also be foolish at this crucial point within this current recovery of the economy of our Commonwealth. Our roads and bridges, our infrastructure, are dangerous if not deadly and are in dire need to our immediate attention. A "yes" vote will make repairing our infrastucture practically impossible for how will we pay the workers? We also have to have all of that snow cleared off of our highways and streets too. A "yes" vote will cause less money to funnel into that (for salt, for sand, and for deicer materials) and could very well domino into less people employed to plow away that snow as quickly and efficiently as usual within a possible wintry storm emergency. Some towns are already calling for other towns' fire departments to respond to burning buildings that are out of control because they just do not have enough resources to extinguish the fire alone (Lawrence, MA - A fire that broke out at a building at 65 Park St. on June 26, 2010 became a four alarm blaze. The City of Lawrence had recently been hit with budget cuts, which made assistance from other towns necessary. The city is currently staffed with only 3 engines and a ladder due to these cuts). A "yes" vote will literally bring the roof down on the fire departments (especially in the smaller towns) and you will witness more fire station closures than ever before due to budget cuts, and there will also be less police on the beat to protect you and/or your children and the rest of your family and your community in general (especially in the smaller towns) as well. Some of our cities and towns are undergoing library and school closures because of the country's past economic recession; the lucky ones that remained open resulted in eliminating staff, like teachers, and/or reducing the hours of which they are open. A "yes" vote would definitely call for less teachers and increasingly crowded classrooms where students are most likely to receive the attention and education that they deserve due to cutbacks. MassHealth, Commonwealth Care, has already had cutbacks to make of its own because of the number of people who depend upon them now (some unemployed who cannot find work and some *disabled* who are *unable* to work and the *elderly* that MassHealth also assists [in addition to their Medicare] will endure further unfortunate setbacks). A "yes" vote would further devastate their lives and some chances of recovery, howbeit financial and/or medical where lives might have been saved. Also let us not forget about all of the people who are currently receiving (or will receive) food stamp assistance, or, fuel assistance during the cold and wintry months; these people who live at or below the poverty line will go hungry and children will go hungry too due to cutbacks that will be foisted upon the food stamp division resulting in people, in familes receiving less food stamps a month. The disabled and the elderly of our communities will have to invent new ways to try to survive and to stay as warm as some of us do during the winter because they will no longer be able to afford heating like some others can, hopefully not dying in the process (as they had before). It is obvious what a "yes" vote would result to the least of us...[CONTINUES
You are a backwards person. Lower taxes allow more discretionary spending. More government taxation stiffles M1, M2, M3.
Jim

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endendthefed wrote:
If you want to complain about people who abuse the system, complain about the corporations that pay no taxes and get multi million dollar hand outs from the gov., they waste more of your money in a minute than does the welfare cheat in a year.
Abuse of the system is abuse of the system, no matter who is doing it.
The problem is the way the laws are written to allow the abuse.

The bailouts should have had defined terms, and conditions.

Open ended deals that gave the government the power to fire & hire CEO's, reduce pension benefits, and don't have specific repayment terms are a bad deal for both the people (who pay the money), and the corporation (who have to abide by rules made AFTER they accepted the deal).
The Government gets the best of both worlds,
they set whatever terms they want, even after the fact, AND they're not using their own money to pay for it.

I don't see how that situation makes it ok for welfare cheats (really 'system cheats' now, since welfare is just a small part of it today) to bilk the system.

Ridiculous government bailouts, corporate swindling, and system cheats (those both legally here, and illegal aliens) are all riding this country into the ground.
Jim

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When a responsible household is deeply in debt, they cut their spending.

When an irresponsible government is deeply in debt, instead of hacking the budget, they demand more money to feed the machine, and try to spend their way out of debt.

Raising taxes now (like Mass has done) is like picking pockets on the deck of the Titanic.

The dot-com bubble, and real estate bubbles are long burst,
our consumer purchasing power (based on Asian assets & money) is drying up,
our bailouts are based on money that does not exist
our manufacturing base is a joke,
and any corporations with value are being gobbled up by foreign companies.

Which of these will be fixed by raising taxes?
single mom

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All you people who are voting to keep the sales tax are brainwashed! The last time we voted to keep it...they raised it plus cut the cites money. They are the biggest bull$%&@ artist and are putting fear into people to keep the tax. I want my money in my pocket...not some polititian who doesnt know how to manage it. They should manage the state like I've lived as a single parent who has a home, car and never missed a payment on a bill, maybe they would learn how to live by a budget. Instead of putting the cuts onto the cites and towns...let them cut the fat out of their pays and pensions. They live on ridiculous money. I will never vote to keep the sales tax the same.
Jim

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single mom wrote:
All you people who are voting to keep the sales tax are brainwashed! The last time we voted to keep it...they raised it plus cut the cites money. They are the biggest bull$%&@ artist and are putting fear into people to keep the tax. I want my money in my pocket...not some polititian who doesnt know how to manage it. They should manage the state like I've lived as a single parent who has a home, car and never missed a payment on a bill, maybe they would learn how to live by a budget. Instead of putting the cuts onto the cites and towns...let them cut the fat out of their pays and pensions. They live on ridiculous money. I will never vote to keep the sales tax the same.
100% agree.
Jim

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Looks like I was wrong,

$4.6 Million IS going towards a bridge,

a HORSE BRIDGE connecting two DIRT ROADS over Route 24 in Randolph Mass

http://www.mhd.state.ma.us/ProjectInfo/Main.a... #

Construction Begins: Winter 2008/2009
Construction Ends: Autumn 2010
Resident Engineer: Anthony Neve, Sr.[Email MassHighway]
Construction Contract Value:$4,631,355.50
Construction Bid Price:$3,858,630.00
Initial Construction Estimate:$4,070,075.00

and here's a picture of it:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/48232993 @N00/3943867811

Yep, eat dogfood while the state spends $4,631,355.50 of our tax dollars to connect two dirt horse riding trails over rt 24.
Jim

Cambridge, MA

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You have to delete the space before @ in the picture link (topix added a space).

or follow the good link in this thread:
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f- news/2603918/posts
paffoman

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We had the chance to have no sales tax and that did not pass so Deval and the democratic legislature raised the sales tax. If this does not pass rest assured they will take it as a referendum and raise it again we need to take our state back. What people fail to realize is if you lower the sales tax then corporations will be able to hire more workers which means more jobs which means less unemployment. If we throw Obama's aunt out and the rest of the illegals we would save even more money. Also the thing about fire and police that is paid for out of property taxes not state money.
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paffoman wrote:
We had the chance to have no sales tax and that did not pass so Deval and the democratic legislature raised the sales tax. If this does not pass rest assured they will take it as a referendum and raise it again we need to take our state back. What people fail to realize is if you lower the sales tax then corporations will be able to hire more workers which means more jobs which means less unemployment. If we throw Obama's aunt out and the rest of the illegals we would save even more money. Also the thing about fire and police that is paid for out of property taxes not state money.
Would the corporations hire more people or would they just pocket more money, as they did when the trickle down theory was tried? Many of the illegals ARE sponges and soak up alot of money, however, most work and pay taxes [they are afraid to file for a refund], afraid to go to the hospital or doctor[no insurance], can't complain about slumlords ripping them off, because they are afraid of being deported. They do not do jobs that citizens want, they do the crap jobs for lousy pay so that we can still buy food at affordable prices. If they all left, who would pick the lettuce, tomatos, etc. for less than minimum wage.
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Whaaat wrote:
These people are crazy. We don't have enough money now, if this goes through the state will be bankrupt.
You are right -- they do not have enough to maintain their bloated and corrupt system. It has now come to the point were the people have to take the matter in their own hands and forcibly put their servant on a diet. Yes, that servant will try and punish the Taxpayers for doing this --- but, they will further expose what a corrupt fraud they are. It is time to put them on a diet.
kestrel

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Xzivikus wrote:
Why I believe it is a wise decision to vote "NO" on ballot Question #3 Sales and Use Tax Rates: Voting "yes" to reduce the Massachusetts tax rate to 3% is not only unwise but would also be foolish at this crucial point within this current recovery of the economy of our Commonwealth. Our roads and bridges, our infrastructure, are dangerous if not deadly and are in dire need to our immediate attention. A "yes" vote will make repairing our infrastucture practically impossible for how will we pay the workers? We also have to have all of that snow cleared off of our highways and streets too. A "yes" vote will cause less money to funnel into that (for salt, for sand, and for deicer materials) and could very well domino into less people employed to plow away that snow as quickly and efficiently as usual within a possible wintry storm emergency. Some towns are already calling for other towns' fire departments to respond to burning buildings that are out of control because they just do not have enough resources to extinguish the fire alone (Lawrence, MA - A fire that broke out at a building at 65 Park St. on June 26, 2010 became a four alarm blaze. The City of Lawrence had recently been hit with budget cuts, which made assistance from other towns necessary. The city is currently staffed with only 3 engines and a ladder due to these cuts). A "yes" vote will literally bring the roof down on the fire departments (especially in the smaller towns) and you will witness more fire station closures than ever before due to budget cuts, and there will also be less police on the beat to protect you and/or your children and the rest of your family and your community in general (especially in the smaller towns) as well. Some of our cities and towns are undergoing library and school closures because of the country's past economic recession; the lucky ones that remained open resulted in eliminating staff, like teachers, and/or reducing the hours of which they are open. A "yes" vote would definitely call for less teachers and increasingly crowded classrooms where students are most likely to receive the attention and education that they deserve due to cutbacks. MassHealth, Commonwealth Care, has already had cutbacks to make of its own because of the number of people who depend upon them now (some unemployed who cannot find work and some *disabled* who are *unable* to work and the *elderly* that MassHealth also assists [in addition to their Medicare] will endure further unfortunate setbacks). A "yes" vote would further devastate their lives and some chances of recovery, howbeit financial and/or medical where lives might have been saved. Also let us not forget about all of the people who are currently receiving (or will receive) food stamp assistance, or, fuel assistance during the cold and wintry months; these people who live at or below the poverty line will go hungry and children will go hungry too due to cutbacks that will be foisted upon the food stamp division resulting in people, in familes receiving less food stamps a month. The disabled and the elderly of our communities will have to invent new ways to try to survive and to stay as warm as some of us do during the winter because they will no longer be able to afford heating like some others can, hopefully not dying in the process (as they had before). It is obvious what a "yes" vote would result to the least of us...[CONTINUES
I see you can copy straight out of the Teachers Union propaganda sheet ... I hope you waste millions of union money on this propaganda. Don't expect another bailout from the Feds -- in fact, once they are through taking everything they can from the private sector -- you guys will be next on their list.
Jim

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endendthefed wrote:
<quoted text> Many of the illegals ARE sponges and soak up alot of money, however, most work and pay taxes [they are afraid to file for a refund], afraid to go to the hospital or doctor[no insurance], can't complain about slumlords ripping them off, because they are afraid of being deported. They do not do jobs that citizens want, they do the crap jobs for lousy pay so that we can still buy food at affordable prices. If they all left, who would pick the lettuce, tomatos, etc. for less than minimum wage.
Wow,
afraid to go to the emergency room!

I'm not even sure how to approach this, but have you been to an emergency room in Everett, Chelsea, Lynn, etc etc?

Without checking immigration status, I can atleast say that not so much English is being spoken by those using the Emergency Room as their primary care physicians.

Afraid of being deported!

The ICE just publicly came out and said their new policy is to NOT deport anyone, unless they are guilty of a Felony (and no, amazingly enough, coming here illegally, and stealing someone else's SSN is NOT a felony).

Do you know anyone who has been 'deported'?
I do.
Unless you are a criminal (remember: "it's not illegal to be illegal in Mass?") a judge says you are ordered to leave...... and that's it.
Ask Obama's Aunt, she was ordered deported long before anyone ever heard of BHO, and she's still here.

Slumords ripping them off!

I've seen what happens when a friend tried to kick a 'poor illegal'(who stopped paying the rent after a few months).
Everyone in this state has the same renters rights, if they're here legally, or illegally.
Except when an illegal is finally kicked out, there is no real way to track them, and get any money ordered by the courts afterward.
Zip, nada, newp, no money for the 8 months it takes to get them out.
Their SSN get changed, they move to the next apartment, and disappear.

Since you mentioned jobs,

Small families (Mom, Dad, and a couple kids) of illegals own homes on almost every street in Everett.
How exactly can that be done on LESS than minimum wage?

I personally know illegals who make a decent wage, have nice cars, decent furniture, good clothes on their kids backs, living the American Dream, illegally.

ILLEGALS IN AMERICA ARE NOT VICTIMS,
please stop portraying them as such.

Or come back to Everett, and see how 'the system' works.
Nomad

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I will vote yes. I am tired of seeing public employes
retiring in there fifties with 80 percent of there pay
and full medical for life, while the rest of uu will
be working till we drop dead to pay for these perks.
na citizen

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A no vote although the it will lower somethings it will higher others dont be fooled we will pay one way or another and whats the deal no one running against patrick that just not are way here in ma somethings wrong with this picture....na citizen

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