What we know about the Tsarnaev brothers

What we know about the Tsarnaev brothers

There are 331 comments on the MacLeans story from Apr 19, 2013, titled What we know about the Tsarnaev brothers. In it, MacLeans reports that:

The younger brother, Dzhokar Tsarnaev, 19, is now the subject of a massive manhunt that has shut down the Boston area.

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Helen

Douglas, Isle of Man

#227 Apr 23, 2013
-sunshine wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl d/1992/jun/12/chechnya
Mob Rule in Moscow
Thursday 11 June 1992
As if Boris Yeltsin didn't have enough on his plate with the resignation of Moscow's mayor at the weekend, some of the roughest gangsters in the entire Commonwealth of Independent States - the Chechen mafias - are increasing their grip on the capital's drug-dealing, prostitution, extortion, transport and other forms of organised crime.
Moscow CID estimates that 140 joint ventures, co-operatives and small enterprises - including one incongruously producing cranberry preserves - work for them. Extortion is particularly profitable. Every Azerbaijani flower seller in the city has to hand over 500 roubles a day to the Chechens.
But there is a growing belief that the strength and organisation of the gangs, allied to their powerful connection with their Chechnya homeland, 1,500 kilometres away, may be being forged into a weapon for sinister, politically-inspired action in Moscow.
In the past few months, the government of the self-styled republic of Chechnya, a part of Georgia which declared itself independent of Moscow last autumn, has called for the people of the Caucasus to unite in the face of the external threat and to create an armed force. In the words of the Chechen president, General Dzhokhar Dudayev, Chechnya's relations with Russia are under strain and it is prepared to arm up to 600,000 men.
Dudayev and others are seeking ways of standing up to the Russian government. They say these could include turning Moscow into a poverty zone and that they have the mechanisms to carry out this threat, a fairly blatant reference to the mafias.
Earlier this year, a curious report came out of Grozny, capital of Chechnya. Dudayev had signed a decree which said that no criminals within the republic's territory would be handed over to a state which did not recognise Chechnya. In other words, this corner of the Caucasus could become a haven for bandits.
It is not difficult to imagine how Dudayev's decree was received in the criminal world, especially in Moscow where, according to Interior Ministry and Special Service intelligence, the big Chechen gangs are based. The three main ones - Centralnaya, Avtomobilnaya and Ostankinskaya - are named after districts of Moscow. Each has a well-defined structure consisting of a gang leader, his lieutenants, foot soldiers and reserves.
The groups, which co-operate very closely, have their own kitties, out of which they pay lawyers' fees, buy information on militia operations and support the families of members in prison. Bribes of a million roubles are commonplace.
The gangs also have their own counter-espionage and defence service run by Ahmed M, based in the Belgrad Hotel and by Musa Junior.
They have almost 500 Moscow safe houses at their disposal. Some are used as 'letter-drops' for secure communication.
IT is said that at the Kashtan restaurant you can make inquiries about the whereabouts of any Chechen you like. Provided, of course, you are a fellow Chechen.
There are about 1,500 active members of the Chechen gangs, 3,000 if you count those in the capital on a temporary basis. The strength of the gangs is in their rigid organisation and their unquestioning obedience. They do not recognise any of the other underworld traditions.
This is 100% CORRECT.
Helen

Douglas, Isle of Man

#228 Apr 23, 2013
SnuffAGlobalist wrote:
Sunshine the JEW... perhaps you have a composition problem?
Here is what you wrote in message 175.
YOU Clearly state that the Russian Mafia was originally composed of Chechnyans.
YOU are so full of shit, or, is it that you didn't compose your sentence correctly?
"The Chechen mafia is one of the largest organized crime groups operating in the former Soviet Union next to established Russian mafia gangs, which originally consisted of criminals of Chechen ethnicity who later also tried to recruit former Russian special military forces, police and army officers."
You lied about the original ethnicity of the Russian Mafia... IT IS JEW, it has ALWAYS BEEN JEW.
I suppose that Jew liars, such as yourself, think that people won't check out what they say, because of what...the HOLOCAUST? LMFAO... straight at your JEW ASS.
Sunshine is right.The Chechen mafia is one of the largest organized crime groups operating in the FSU.How did the parents get their refugee status? They bribed somebody.

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#230 Apr 23, 2013
THE LAST WARRIOR POET wrote:
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Yeah, from ambush and roadside bombs. These moslems couldnt even defeat israeli women of the IFD much less the men in a straight up firefight. Luckily for the afghans their not fighting against THEM!
Isn't that how the US were fighting the redcoats some hundred years back as well and secured freedom? I guess they were "cowards" as well.

Helen

Douglas, Isle of Man

#231 Apr 23, 2013
-sunshine wrote:
<quoted text>I agree.
The brothers were spoiled 'dzhigits.
They did not know what to do with their time and energy.
Helen

Douglas, Isle of Man

#232 Apr 23, 2013
moonshine wrote:
<quoted text>
Chechnya is part of the Russian Federation, so they were in that sense, Russian.
Timothy McVeigh and John Walker Lindh were Americans, were they not?
There are hundreds of different nationalites live in Russian Federation, but THEY ARE NOT RUSSIANS! They do not want to be Russians either!
Helen

Douglas, Isle of Man

#233 Apr 23, 2013
SnuffAGlobalist wrote:
Sunshine... YOU LYING PIECE OF JEW TRASH....
Here is the History Channel documentary on the RUSSIAN MAFIA...
You lied your ass off saying that they are Chechnyans.
Here is the proof.
Anyone can download the History Channels documentary on the Russian Mafia here. and see that it is a Jew organization, for themselves.
http://thepiratebay.se/search/history%20chann...
There are different organizations of mafia in Russia but Chechen is one of them.
Helen

Douglas, Isle of Man

#234 Apr 23, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
<quoted text>
Nine or ten years old... homesick for where?
These were two all American kids just like the ones at Columbine.
Home for them was Boston. Being educated in the Massachusetts public schools they had no idea what a Chechniya was.
This is true. If they were hungry, they would not have time to think about killing people. They would look for a job to provide them with a piece of bread.
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#237 Apr 23, 2013
Sunshine is right. Helen also knows what happening.
Helen

Douglas, Isle of Man

#238 Apr 23, 2013
The mother said that he son was killed because he was a Muslim. Were the innocent people killed because they were not Muslims? Can people trust a shoplifter?
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#239 Apr 23, 2013
can people trust a shoplifter? as long as said shoplifter is Chechen, you know those poor mistreated Chechens in their adoptive country whether it's Russia or US. the seaside on the Caspian should be a nice place to grieve about her nice boys who wouldnt harm a camel flea.
Helen

Douglas, Isle of Man

#240 Apr 23, 2013
His aunt said it was staged and she was a lawyer.
It was easy to buy a diploma in former Soviet Union especially in that region.
Helen

Douglas, Isle of Man

#241 Apr 23, 2013
dunadd wrote:
can people trust a shoplifter? as long as said shoplifter is Chechen, you know those poor mistreated Chechens in their adoptive country whether it's Russia or US. the seaside on the Caspian should be a nice place to grieve about her nice boys who wouldnt harm a camel flea.
I agree.
How can a shoplifter afford to go back and forth from America to Chechnya?
Also how can the parents control their 'angels' across the ocean?
Jeff Smith

Hollywood, FL

#242 Apr 23, 2013
They are a shame to this country.

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Since: Feb 13

Boston Mass

#243 Apr 23, 2013
Helen wrote:
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Why did she go back? She is a refugee. America gave her a home to protect her from bad Russians. Where did she get money to go back?
She got the money from stealing from stores here.
THE LAST WARRIOR POET

Hurricane, WV

#244 Apr 23, 2013
warlordClue So wrote:
<quoted text>
Rebecca
did not want the original heir to the thrown around that is why the maid and her son were cast off into the desert to fend for themselves. Personal I think they ended up Buzzert food
Wrong again. Rebecca was old , and God told her she would concieve a son. She bided her time and their was no son born. She therfore disobeyed God and instead of having faith she would become pregnant allowed her handmaiden Hagar to concieve. After Hagar bore ismael, rebecca then bore isaac. Then hagar and ismael were sent into exile.Rebeccas punishment for disobeying god was that the offspring of Hagar would forever torment the heirs of rebecca. Arabs against Jews.

“In the cockles of weirdness”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#245 Apr 23, 2013
MarineCorpPatty wrote:
We know that the Obama Administration will do everything in its power to downplay any connection to terrorism and radical Islam.
The media is already assisting him with this by making the surviving terrorist look like a misguided youth. Baby pictures of the two MUSLIM TERRORIST from family albums are already making the media rounds.
This NATION continues to be led deeper into danger because of our Incompetent President. This midterm election a message needs to be sent.
Lets make Obama a true Lame Duck and vote out every Obama supporting Congressman and Senator.
Oh thank god!
I was afraid someone was going to use this and spin it somehow into promoting same sex marriage!
Dragon Fly

Terre Haute, IN

#246 Apr 23, 2013
How did the brother get money. Were they employed, if so where were they employed.
THE LAST WARRIOR POET

Hurricane, WV

#247 Apr 23, 2013
VeganTiger wrote:
<quoted text>
Isn't that how the US were fighting the redcoats some hundred years back as well and secured freedom? I guess they were "cowards" as well.
No dumb ass, they targeted soldiers not women and children. And they also commited to battle formations. You remember redcoats and bluecoats?

“In the cockles of weirdness”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#248 Apr 23, 2013
dunadd wrote:
hey Prof, your marxism is showing. always accuse the opponent of being the leftist trash you are. leftist trash, i have also read Marx, Feuerback, Engels, Gramsci, and all the leftist icons of the leftist movement, all the way back to ST. Simon fo the 1700s. i love you senteces, who are the real terrorists here? Politically, they're people like YOU. these terrorists brothers you are defending are Chechens, were Chechens and always be Chechens. Birth place doesnt matter. the American born Kennedys are as Irish as Dubliners. one can go to Scottish Highland games all over Canada and the US and those Canadian and American born Scots are as Scottish as those born in Lochaber. these brothers were and are muslim Chechen trash and you myth and the other muslim liars, oops mean apologists can lie, i mean apologise all you want but it doesnt change the fact and place of birth doesnt change the fact the Tsarnaevs are muslim Chechens. come on now, bring your lies and accusations about me, it don negate the facts.
What are you saying here??
Americans of Scottish descent may be very proud of their heritage but they CANNOT FIND SCOTLAND ON A MAP! lol

They do not speak the language.
The majority know nothing about Scotland other than what they've read about.
They don't know who the prime minister is, what party he belongs to, or about any of the political parties in Scotland. They know little or nothing about any challenges Scotland faces today.

“In the cockles of weirdness”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#249 Apr 23, 2013
As for the Tsarnaev's...

the oldests one - Tamerlan - visited Dagestan last year and they say he "stood out as an American".
He spoke Russian but with an accent and "would slip into English if he didn't remember a word".

That is the OLDEST one, the "leader".

The younger brother spoke English (American English) without an accent.

Both were pretty thoroughly Americanized, though I'm sure they would have been horrified to realize it.

Remember those American 2 teens who went overseas to join Islam terrorists?? The Muslims didn't trust them! They were AMERICANS.

And so were these two.

I seriously doubt they would have been deemed trustworthy enough to be recruited or supported by anyone in Dagestan or Chechnya.

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