Iowa House primary ground zero for gay marriage fight

Jun 5, 2010 Full story: Iowa Independent 411

Differences between the two Democrats competing for the Iowa House District 66 seat couldn't be more stark.

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baboon face

Prescott Valley, AZ

#54 Aug 15, 2010
Noah wrote:
There is nothing wrong for gay people to be married. Maybe you people need to think about all the gay soldiers that have died in wars to protect your bigoted selves.
Shame on all of you that think it's okay for gay people to die for your country, and then deny them equal rights and justice under the laws of the land.
There are gay doctors that save your family members live, gay attorneys that represent you in your legal cases, gay firefighters, policemen, paramedics, doctors and nurses that are there to assist you when you need helping, and then you turn your backs on them over the word marriage that the heterosexual community has made a joke of in the first place.
Grow up people! Marriage for all those that wish to be married, gay or straight, you are entitled to equal rights.
The California Courts did the right thing in overturning the people's votes.
Just think about all the blacks that were freed from slavery and given equal rights along with the disabled that were treated unjustly by people and the courts had to grant them equal rights, and then there are the women of this country that as wel had to fight for equal rights and the right to vote.
Equal Justice for ALL people (gay and straight).
wunna gobble on my shyty pecker buckwheat?
Mona Lott

Jackson, NJ

#55 Aug 15, 2010
baboon face wrote:
<quoted text>wunna gobble on my shyty pecker buckwheat?
Aw..... can't find anyone to do it for you? Aw......

That's ok..... school will be back in session soon, and you can give the corn-cob riding a rest.
Chopswell

Decorah, IA

#56 Aug 15, 2010
progressive wrote:
at least Branstad is the least nutty of the three Republicans who ran for Governor. we survived him once, we could again. he is a relatively nice person, as an individual. not a fanatic. even in his twenties, when he was in the state legislature, and more extreme, he was still personable. and he got lots of training as Lt. Gov. serving with Bob Ray, in how to try to get along with people of different views, at least as a person, if not in his political views. we will have a good enough choice in the fall. not great, but not as bad as in some places. poor South Carolina~ it is downhill from Sanford~ even the teaparty types in Iowa are not as nuts as they are in many other states. some of them locally are nice folks.
O yeah. "Least nutty." Lest we forget how he gave such preferntial treatment to his young, drunk son who killed a married couple in Granger in 1991. Lest we forget how his son (who wasn't critically injured in that accident--but the elderly man who was) got the airlift to Des Moines. Lest we forget he was ONLY FINED $15! Lest we forget his son had two more DUI's in the next two years and ONLY GOT PROBATION. Lest we forget Terry's running mate, Kim Reynolds got two DUI's in 1999 and 2000.

O yeah. He's SUCH a nice guy. Fuck that bastard!

“IBM had it right: "Think"”

Since: Mar 07

SF Bay Area Suburbs

#58 Aug 15, 2010
Bribes from casinos is much better than using influence to cover up drunk driving by a family member.
Mitch wrote:
<quoted text>
Culver takes bribes from the casino's. He's no better.
Matthew

United States

#59 Aug 19, 2010
I am so glad I was finally allowed the right to marry the one I love?
oh really now

Rupert, WV

#60 Aug 20, 2010
i am not gay. i am how ever working on marriage #3 stright all the way. i think gay couples should have the right to hang their self just as we stright couples do. why should us stright couples have to be the only one who suffer.we pay more taxes than single's, or single gay couples living together our insurance cost more. so let them get married or civil union, or life partner.what ever they wish to call it.and besides what they do in their bed room behind closed doors is their bussiness. and they are the ones who has to answer to god, or ali, or who ever the greater power is on judgement day.
hey and let's make it easier for them to adoupt kids too.
their are thousands of kids in foster homes who need famlies and gay couples all want the same thing we do, you know the house the car the 3.5kids and dog in the back yard.let them have the dream too.. besides we all know when you are single and living together things are great. but when you say I DO .the fights begin and the not tonight deard i got a headack begins......
Mona Lisa

Johnson City, TN

#61 Aug 22, 2010
oh really now wrote:
i am not gay. i am how ever working on marriage #3 stright all the way. i think gay couples should have the right to hang their self just as we stright couples do. why should us stright couples have to be the only one who suffer.we pay more taxes than single's, or single gay couples living together our insurance cost more. so let them get married or civil union, or life partner.what ever they wish to call it.and besides what they do in their bed room behind closed doors is their bussiness. and they are the ones who has to answer to god, or ali, or who ever the greater power is on judgement day.
hey and let's make it easier for them to adoupt kids too.
their are thousands of kids in foster homes who need famlies and gay couples all want the same thing we do, you know the house the car the 3.5kids and dog in the back yard.let them have the dream too.. besides we all know when you are single and living together things are great. but when you say I DO .the fights begin and the not tonight deard i got a headack begins......
That's whyvgay unions on the average only last 2 1/2 years. Ain't that right Rosie o or Ellen degenerate. Hey Ellen, why don't u come pole dance on this?
veeleta

Ames, IA

#62 Aug 22, 2010
progressive wrote:
<quoted text> I agree with you. so sad to see that black minister, being put up front as a spokesman for an anti-equal rights position. I personally would prefer to see a legalization of civil unions, with equal rights for all, rather than using the term marriage for legal or governmental purposes, for anyone. It has a religious usage and connotation, and could be left to individuals, families, communities, churches. Civil union sounds more formal and businesslike, for government usage, and more appropriate for conveying rights to people. civil union for all couples, not a separate status for just gay couples, I mean. The Iowa Constitution guarantees equal rights.
You still "feeding" the local 9 year old boys?
wjw

United States

#63 Aug 26, 2010
Isn't it nice to live in a place where you can voice your opinion, but you have to remember if you can, so can everyone else.
Dr Licole

Jackson, NJ

#64 Aug 28, 2010
Mona Lisa wrote:
<quoted text>
That's whyvgay unions on the average only last 2 1/2 years. Ain't that right Rosie o or Ellen degenerate. Hey Ellen, why don't u come pole dance on this?
Pole dance on Mona Lisa? Is that what y'all do in Tennesee for live entertainment?
Youknowwho

Creston, IA

#65 Aug 29, 2010
Had a gay friend over today. He just got married to a registered alien from Brazil. He is still angry that they did not instantly make him a citizen!!!!!!. Give an inch they will take a mile. Imagine the fraud when these immigrants realize all they need to do is get married to a same sexer and you r in like flynn. How does government recognition equal fulfillment of love. Only GOD can deliver on that. Any rights r not lost. Any two people can visit an attorney to have any contract drawn up between two parties like a living will. Nuptuals as well. It all a bunch of hoooooey by the gay agenda to destroy the traditions of society to legitimize their lewd behavior and it will take an act of congress to get society to accept what even nature tells you that it is just plain....wrong!!!!

“IBM had it right: "Think"”

Since: Mar 07

SF Bay Area Suburbs

#66 Aug 30, 2010
I doubt your whole story. Anyone smart enough to get through immigration legally knows marriage to a citizen only gets you to the front of the visa queue, not citizenship.
Youknowwho wrote:
Had a gay friend over today. He just got married to a registered alien from Brazil. He is still angry that they did not instantly make him a citizen!!!!!!. Give an inch they will take a mile. Imagine the fraud when these immigrants realize all they need to do is get married to a same sexer and you r in like flynn. How does government recognition equal fulfillment of love. Only GOD can deliver on that. Any rights r not lost. Any two people can visit an attorney to have any contract drawn up between two parties like a living will. Nuptuals as well. It all a bunch of hoooooey by the gay agenda to destroy the traditions of society to legitimize their lewd behavior and it will take an act of congress to get society to accept what even nature tells you that it is just plain....wrong!!!!

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#67 Aug 30, 2010
It wasn't to long ago in our history that interacial marriages were considered "wrong". Along with marrying outside your religion and/or socal standing. People fall in love with who they fall in love with. Who am I to tell someone else they cannot love someone because I do not like the idea of it. If we start deciding for other people who they are allowed to love what will be the next thing we start to decide for people? If gay marriages are not for you fine that is your opinion, no one is forcing you into a gay marriage. But you should respect those it is for. You cannot get respect if you don't give it.
Dr Licole

Jackson, NJ

#68 Aug 30, 2010
Youknowwho wrote:
How does government recognition equal fulfillment of love. Only GOD can deliver on that. Any rights r not lost. Any two people can visit an attorney to have any contract drawn up between two parties like a living will. Nuptuals as well. It all a bunch of hoooooey by the gay agenda to destroy the traditions of society to legitimize their lewd behavior and it will take an act of congress to get society to accept what even nature tells you that it is just plain....wrong!!!!
Evidence? Oh....you don't have any.
DJF

AOL

#69 Aug 31, 2010
I am from Iowa and I can tell you the shock of everyone I know who woke up to the newspapers announcement of the Supreme Courts decision on allowing gays to marry in Iowa. It is a FACT that the people of Iowa had no say in the matter and therefore, it makes me angry when I hear a Congressman or Senator defend gay marriage and brag that the PEOPLE of Iowa approved it. Bull! This is the Bible Belt.
And the tragedy of adoping children does not end at sending their kids to school. Poor kids get teased and pushed around with straight parents and it will be a diaster with children from same sex parents as soon as the other kids find out. Then the same sex parents will be sueing the school and other parents for discrimination when their kids comes home bawling because they come from a different situation. Talk about being forever messed up from that situation.
cloud

Canada

#70 Aug 31, 2010
This is not the bible belt! The bible belt is much further below the mason-Dixon line. And children who make fun of other children only repeat behavior that they learn from their parents.
to cool

Berlin, MD

#71 Sep 1, 2010
it amazes me on how judgemental you people are. who gave you the right to decide what is right or wrong in someone elses life. you don't live with these people, you don't have any ideal as to what they think or feel. no one is on here judging you for being straight. i am sure you have faughts of your own. so, when your judgement day comes and you stand in front of GOD, all by yourself and GOD ask you "why did you feel you needed to judge these people, my people" "why would you try to hurt a person with your hatred"? that is when GOD will pass judgement onto you.

for Mitch you commented on a mothers son, SHAME ON YOU.
m c wier

Panama City, FL

#72 Sep 5, 2010
The Bible doesn't say much against incest, or bestiality and condones polygamy, but does that make those things right or moral.

I will agree that genetically confused people should have the right to civil unions, for legal purposes, in order to protect their legal rights. But to demand Mari age which has had a religious connotation for centuries is just another case of poking the bear with a stick to get attention, and to change the Christian principals of the founding of this country, and I'm far from a Bible thumper.
Dr Licole

Jackson, NJ

#73 Sep 5, 2010
m c wier wrote:
The Bible doesn't say much against incest, or bestiality and condones polygamy, but does that make those things right or moral.
I will agree that genetically confused people should have the right to civil unions, for legal purposes, in order to protect their legal rights. But to demand Mari age which has had a religious connotation for centuries is just another case of poking the bear with a stick to get attention, and to change the Christian principals of the founding of this country, and I'm far from a Bible thumper.
Tradition is NOT a valid legal argument.
Lamoni resident

Lamoni, IA

#74 Sep 6, 2010
m c wier wrote:
The Bible doesn't say much against incest, or bestiality and condones polygamy, but does that make those things right or moral.
I will agree that genetically confused people should have the right to civil unions, for legal purposes, in order to protect their legal rights. But to demand Mari age which has had a religious connotation for centuries is just another case of poking the bear with a stick to get attention, and to change the Christian principals of the founding of this country, and I'm far from a Bible thumper.
I respect your way of expressing your views without arrogance. I think you had a typo and meant to write "does not" in the first line. I am personally more of person to emphasize ethics, based on kindness to others, rather than based on religous doctrines.

I also think that the term genetically confused is interesting, but looks like some sort of jugment on the persons, which you may not have intended. You are enlightened to believe in civil unions and in protecting legal rights.

I, too, think that the word marriage has religious connotations. That is why my interpretation of separation of church and state leads me to think that the word marriage should not be used for legal and governmental purposes for any sort of marriage. I would favor the term civil unions for everyone, not just gay persons, for legal and governmental purposes.

I think that it is true that there were religious reasons for persons to come to this continent in the first place. However, the first amendment clearly indicates that the founders rejected the practice of Establishment of religion practiced in many states at the time the Constitution was ratified. The Constitution would not have been ratified by several states without the promise that a Bill of Rights guaranteeing freedom of religion and nonestablishment of religion. That was the socalled deal that was made at the time, and honored. The worry that some rights might not be considered to be guaranteed if only a few rights were specifically outlined, was solved by the addition of references to those other nonspecified rights in the last articles in the Bill of Rights. It was a brilliant, though slightly vague, solution, and is part of the reason that we do have a living Constitution.

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