Who do you support for U.S. Senate in Georgia in 2010?

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<quoted text>Are you saying that you haven't had an equal chance for prosperity? You most certainly HAVE had an equal chance. You have simply not made the DECISIONS that would have led to more prosperity. Good grief! I CAN'T believe that you are making such a statement. So! You think you are "entitled"? Seriously? What has stood in the way of YOU not having an EQUAL chance of prosperity???? I can't wait to read your answer. You are limited ONLY by your own choices. Please tell my how YOU haven't had an equal chance. I am astounded!
Right before I was borne God asked me, "Boy, do you want to be born as the son of Sam Walton, and inherit more money than 80 million Americans possess, or to a poor preacher at a small church who'll never earn more than $18.000 a year his entire life?"

When I was born the time before that, God asked me "Boy, do you want to be raised in an upper class family with sober, healthy, professional, college educated, parents, Dad who is C. F.O. of G.E., and Mom is a cardiac surgeon, who provide for your college education at Harvard and Yale, where you'll mix with others destined for upper-management positions with multinational trillion dollar corporations,
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would you prefer to be borne to a malnourished, poor, drug addicted, teenage, high school drop-out, prostitute, with aids, who lives in South Philadelphia with her pimp, who'll beat you both every day.

Man did I screw up those opportunities - so I guess it's my fault I'm still working instead of vacationing at Cannes.

"Equal Opportunity" is more of a myth than "Free Markets".

Here is son supporting data:

Exceptional Upward Mobility in the US Is a Myth, International Studies Show
Sep. 5, 2012 — The rhetoric is relentless: America is a place of unparalleled opportunity...
But the reality is very different, according to a University of Michigan researcher who is studying inequality across generations around the world.
"Especially in the United States, people underestimate the extent to which your destiny is linked to your background," says Fabian Pfeffer, a sociologist at the U-M Institute for Social Research (ISR).

"Research shows that it's really a myth that the U.S. is a land of exceptional social mobility."
Pfeffer's own research illustrates this point based on data on two generations of families in the U.S. and a comparison of his findings to similar data from Germany and Sweden.
He found that parental wealth plays an important role in whether children move up or down the socioeconomic ladder in adulthood. And that parental wealth has an influence above and beyond the three factors that sociologists and economists have traditionally considered in research on social mobility -- parental education, income and occupation.
"Wealth not only fulfills a purchasing function, allowing families to buy homes in good neighborhoods and send their children to costly schools and colleges, for example, but it also has an insurance function, offering a sort of private safety net that gives children a very different set of choices as they enter the adult world," Pfeffer says.
"Despite the widespread belief that the U.S. provides exceptional opportunities for upward mobility, these data show that parental wealth has an important role in shielding offspring from downward mobility and sustaining their upward mobility.
Pfeffer is also examining the influence of grandparents' wealth.

Journal Reference:
Pfeffer, Fabian T., and Martin Hällsten. Mobility Regimes and Parental Wealth

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University of Michigan (2012, September 5). Exceptional upward mobility in the US is a myth, international studies show.

Damn Steven Seagal movie - keeping me up and on the Internet.

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Right before I was borne God asked me, "Boy, do you want to be born as the son of Sam Walton, and inherit more money than 80 million Americans possess, or to a poor preacher at a small church who'll never earn more than $18.000 a year his entire life?"
When I was born the time before that, God asked me "Boy, do you want to be raised in an upper class family with sober, healthy, professional, college educated, parents, Dad who is C. F.O. of G.E., and Mom is a cardiac surgeon, who provide for your college education at Harvard and Yale, where you'll mix with others destined for upper-management positions with multinational trillion dollar corporations,
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would you prefer to be borne to a malnourished, poor, drug addicted, teenage, high school drop-out, prostitute, with aids, who lives in South Philadelphia with her pimp, who'll beat you both every day.
Man did I screw up those opportunities - so I guess it's my fault I'm still working instead of vacationing at Cannes.
"Equal Opportunity" is more of a myth than "Free Markets".
Here is son supporting data:
Exceptional Upward Mobility in the US Is a Myth, International Studies Show
Sep. 5, 2012 — The rhetoric is relentless: America is a place of unparalleled opportunity...
But the reality is very different, according to a University of Michigan researcher who is studying inequality across generations around the world.
"Especially in the United States, people underestimate the extent to which your destiny is linked to your background," says Fabian Pfeffer, a sociologist at the U-M Institute for Social Research (ISR).
"Research shows that it's really a myth that the U.S. is a land of exceptional social mobility."
Pfeffer's own research illustrates this point based on data on two generations of families in the U.S. and a comparison of his findings to similar data from Germany and Sweden.
He found that parental wealth plays an important role in whether children move up or down the socioeconomic ladder in adulthood. And that parental wealth has an influence above and beyond the three factors that sociologists and economists have traditionally considered in research on social mobility -- parental education, income and occupation.
"Wealth not only fulfills a purchasing function, allowing families to buy homes in good neighborhoods and send their children to costly schools and colleges, for example, but it also has an insurance function, offering a sort of private safety net that gives children a very different set of choices as they enter the adult world," Pfeffer says.
"Despite the widespread belief that the U.S. provides exceptional opportunities for upward mobility, these data show that parental wealth has an important role in shielding offspring from downward mobility and sustaining their upward mobility.
Pfeffer is also examining the influence of grandparents' wealth.
Journal Reference:
Pfeffer, Fabian T., and Martin Hällsten. Mobility Regimes and Parental Wealth
MLA
University of Michigan (2012, September 5). Exceptional upward mobility in the US is a myth, international studies show.
Damn Steven Seagal movie - keeping me up and on the Internet.
REGARDLESS of to whom you were born, if you were born in the U.S., once you became old enough to make your own decisions, YOUR FATE was in YOUR hands. Are you SERIOUSLY handing out excuses such as what you posted? Oh, brother. You ARE kidding, right? PLEASE say that you are kidding.
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Are you saying that you haven't had an equal chance for prosperity? You most certainly HAVE had an equal chance. You have simply not made the DECISIONS that would have led to more prosperity. Good grief! I CAN'T believe that you are making such a statement. So! You think you are "entitled"? Seriously? What has stood in the way of YOU not having an EQUAL chance of prosperity???? I can't wait to read your answer. You are limited ONLY by your own choices. Please tell my how YOU haven't had an equal chance. I am astounded!
it may never have occured to you that i may be just as or even more prosperous than you.you and so many repugs automatically assume that anyone who defends the poor,the underprivledged,are poor homeless people.just one more example of how out of touch you really are.or the other class you seem to want to catagorize us as is bleeding hearts of the rich elite.things are not that simple,friend.i work,pay taxes,and who knows, may be worth more than you-bottem line.but that is not my point,i want what is best and fairest for all americans.is that really so hard to believe or understand.I don't need or want any of your so-called entittlements-but i don't intend to allow for you and your croonies to hand them out to wealthiest and greediest of americans,either.at least,not on my watch.

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Technically correct, EXCEPT withholding tax is levied against the first $117,000 of gross EARNED - operative word - income and that tax ALONE accounts for 32% of everything the government takes in. If your income comes from stock dividends, annuities, tax shelters, off-shore accounts (assuming they're reported), etc. then you don't have to pay anything on withholding.
So, even the 47% pay through the nose so the super-rich don't have to.
Bet you don't like that math lesson. ;o)
I believe you are a little off base here.
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Why don't you all start a new thread? Come on this is not even about the poll "Who do you support for U.S. Senate in Georgia in 2010?" anymore.
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I believe you are a little off base here.
You "believe" wrong.

http://www1.umn.edu/ohr/payroll/tax/wagelimit ...

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/...

http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/
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It is 40%(FY 2012-2013), not 32%(FY 2011-2012)- a major error on my part, although the adjusted margin of difference is a wash. ;o)

Now that the "tax holiday" is over, have you noticed a difference in your paycheck? Congress, the bastards, I'm sure thanks you - NOT. ;o(
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REGARDLESS of to whom you were born, if you were born in the U.S., once you became old enough to make your own decisions, YOUR FATE was in YOUR hands. Are you SERIOUSLY handing out excuses such as what you posted? Oh, brother. You ARE kidding, right? PLEASE say that you are kidding.
They're not excuses, just obstacles that are increasingly difficult to overcome.

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<quoted text>it may never have occured to you that i may be just as or even more prosperous than you.you and so many repugs automatically assume that anyone who defends the poor,the underprivledged,are poor homeless people.just one more example of how out of touch you really are.or the other class you seem to want to catagorize us as is bleeding hearts of the rich elite.things are not that simple,friend.i work,pay taxes,and who knows, may be worth more than you-bottem line.but that is not my point,i want what is best and fairest for all americans.is that really so hard to believe or understand.I don't need or want any of your so-called entittlements-but i don't intend to allow for you and your croonies to hand them out to wealthiest and greediest of americans,either.at least,not on my watch.
You did NOT address the point. We ALL have equal opportunities. Your original post intimated that we don't. Life is composed of choices. I believe we ALL know people who pulled themselves out of poor home situations and determined they were going to do better for themselves. I have NO IDEA about your financial position nor do I care. I am simply pointing out the fallacy of your original post about everyone not having equal opportunity.
BTW, you and many dums automatically assume that anyone who defends those who have made better choices in their lives are rich, selfish and evil. Just ANOTHER example of how out of touch YOU are. You are correct. Things AREN'T that simple, friend. I do all of the same things you do in regard to paying taxes, etc, but I don't OWE anyone who doesn't contribute. I, too, want what is best and FAIREST. Herein lies one of the problems. I don't intend to support ne'er do wells. If you want to do that, go for it. Be a chump. I'll fight it every step of the way. I want to CHOOSE whom I help with my hard earned money. Screw those who sit on their butts, game the system and find it amusing that I am taking care of business.

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They're not excuses, just obstacles that are increasingly difficult to overcome.
Those obstacles have not ALWAYS been difficult to overcome. If someone wants it bad enough, they won't give up. We have a generation of narcissistic entitled young people who have not been taught that sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. If you lose, you keep trying. Seriously, as an example, if you are ON a team you get a trophy! REALLY?????? Why so? Well, we don't want to hurt anyone's FEELINGS. Think about Facebook. I'm sure some young people think that if they have hundreds of "friends", they have actually acomplished something. NO! This generation probably WILL need the government to take care of them.

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...BTW, check the tax tables, if memory serves correct to have a 15% tax rate, a couple has to have around $77K of TAXABLE income. To get TAXABLE income of $77K (depending on deductions, exemptions, etc.) a family's gross income could be $90K+(or more or less), which is around 75% HIGHER than the median household income in the US.
In other words, a family with gross income of 75% more than the median US income has a tax rate that is the same as the capital gains rate. Isn't $90K or $100K a pretty good family income?

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An update with better information:

A couple with 2 children could very easily be making over $100K per year to end up with TAXABLE income of $77K (2011 exemptions were $3,700 (x4), total would be $14,800, mortgage interest deduction, real estate taxes, ad valorem taxes, donations, etc.).

In other words, a family earning over $100K a year is paying an overall lower tax rate than the capital gains rate of 15%.

I think $100K househould income, which is about twice the national average, is pretty good...Are they paying THEIR fair share? Perhaps, but because you don't know diddly about the tax system, you're not aware of it...
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We ALL have equal opportunities.
NOT true!

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REGARDLESS of to whom you were born, if you were born in the U.S., once you became old enough to make your own decisions, YOUR FATE was in YOUR hands. Are you SERIOUSLY handing out excuses such as what you posted? Oh, brother. You ARE kidding, right? PLEASE say that you are kidding.
LMBO.

Very doubtful "uninformed" would have been able to get an education at Harvard or Yale, don't you think?

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<quoted text>it may never have occured to you that i may be just as or even more prosperous than you.you and so many repugs automatically assume that anyone who defends the poor,the underprivledged,are poor homeless people.just one more example of how out of touch you really are.or the other class you seem to want to catagorize us as is bleeding hearts of the rich elite.things are not that simple,friend.i work,pay taxes,and who knows, may be worth more than you-bottem line.but that is not my point,i want what is best and fairest for all americans.is that really so hard to believe or understand.I don't need or want any of your so-called entittlements-but i don't intend to allow for you and your croonies to hand them out to wealthiest and greediest of americans,either.at least,not on my watch.
With your spelling,(lack of) sentence structure and overall statements, it's quite probable you're not more prosperous than Synergy, so that dog won't hunt.

Doesn't matter anyway, does it?

You want what's fairest? Define fairest.

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I believe you are a little off base here.
Way off base...

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They're not excuses, just obstacles that are increasingly difficult to overcome.
And...?

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... NO! This generation probably WILL need the government to take care of them.
I believe that is the long term plan of the libturds, to make more and more people reliant upon the government.
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Bill in Dville wrote:
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An update with better information:
A couple with 2 children could very easily be making over $100K per year to end up with TAXABLE income of $77K (2011 exemptions were $3,700 (x4), total would be $14,800, mortgage interest deduction, real estate taxes, ad valorem taxes, donations, etc.).
In other words, a family earning over $100K a year is paying an overall lower tax rate than the capital gains rate of 15%.
I think $100K househould income, which is about twice the national average, is pretty good...Are they paying THEIR fair share? Perhaps, but because you don't know diddly about the tax system, you're not aware of it...
The same folks who pay the 15% on their stock dividends and such, ALSO take the same deductions, plus they have the advantages of tax shelters and other special interest deductions.
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And BTW, if Congress gets their wish, we will no longer be able to deduct mortgage interest or county property taxes.
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And BTW, if Congress gets their wish, we will no longer be able to deduct mortgage interest or county property taxes.
Fine by me. Implement The Fair Tax, and save the government (taxpayers)$12 Billion / year.

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