Mexican torture training video released to media

Full story: El Paso Times

A Mexican police chief was fired Friday following the release of two police training videos that show officers practicing torture techniques, local media reported.
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“Retired Extremely Dangerous”

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Jul 19, 2008
 
texball wrote:
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We RAN THIS IDIOT OUT OF TOWN.HE IS STEALING YOUR VIEWS AND INFO AND PUTTING IT DOWN ON A WEBSITE,AS HIS OWN.HE IS LIKE CLIFF SCHAFFER,THEY MAKE MONEY OFF OF YOU.
***Yo numb nuts, the Juarez police have a hot poker for you***, Mexicans as a whole have no love of country, not a patriot in the bunch; that is why they are climbing over the fence, digging tunnels, wading across the river, and inventing all methods to escape from their third world habitat. They become very “Nationalist” once they are in the good old U.S. of A. Bet,“texball” is an escapee from that fine city of Juarez, running from the Juarez Police torture emporium.
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#26
Jul 19, 2008
 
heraclitus wrote:
Oh Please! These are the exact techniques taught by La Esquela de las Americas at Fort Benning, Georgia all through the 1980's...when are we ever going to learn?
i think that they shut them down

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#27
Jul 19, 2008
 
Anyone know where I can watch this Mexican Torture Video?
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#29
Jul 20, 2008
 
Must be a free information system down there -in the States our propagandists will not even inerview the tortured who got out of Gitmo.
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#30
Jul 20, 2008
 
The media does not mention the torture methods most effective, which are often reported by victims--such as having electric cattle prods applied to their testes. Squirting water up noses is not near as bad as having Coca Cola poured up their noses while in a steeply reclining chair. The acid in a Coke is stronger than Drano and more useful in qiickly cleaning out stopped up drains. Those who survived Mexican police torture report much worse actions than those reported here.

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Jul 20, 2008
 
babooph wrote:
Must be a free information system down there -in the States our propagandists will not even inerview the tortured who got out of Gitmo.
The Mexican drug runners use torture more efficiently than the Mexican Police, and Gitmo ever will.
Torture: The deliberate, systematic, or wanton infliction of physical or mental suffering by one or more persons in an attempt to force another person to yield information or to make a confession or for any other reason, if it works why not. In Gitmo the Islamobastards do not come under the protection of the Geneva Accord, they are insurgents, mercenaries, they do not represent a government, they represent and ideology, Islam is a political ideology disguised as a religion any information retrieved by any means is better than no information.
Macchiavelli

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#32
Jul 20, 2008
 
Something is badly wrong with this picture.

As I pointed out above, the Mexican police do not need Americans to teach them about torture. They are much more experienced and more creative with their own means. A criminal in Mexico would laugh at being told that being dragged in vomit or having his head dunked in excrement is "torture."

I think the Mexicans have outsmarted the Americans again. They're making us appear to be monsters and them the "good guys."

How else could you explain such a film being "released."

They're probably providing ammunition for the "Immigrant Rights Groups" to prove that Mexican cops are more humane than Americans. Such offsets are needed to muddle the issues and prepare us for the next amnesty (we've had three since 1986).

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#33
Jul 20, 2008
 
Ben-Hebron wrote:
Relax everybody; Mexico has been torturing their prisoners for decades, so what is new.
Sleep deprivation, one meal a day, long hours on your feet, loud noises, holding your breath underwater for extended periods, claiming to a high area and then jumping out; seem like torture, but it is not, it is combat training for an 11B infantryman in an Ranger Company. If any one ever was a student at the USA or USAF Escape, Evasion Course underwent simulated torture, and no matter how strong you think you are, you will break.
Ben you have got it right. Elite units will go through simulated torture. But I will tell you it does not feel simulated at the time. Knowing what you may face in bad times will give you a little more effort not to be found or caught. I have always asked this question. Would you torture a person if they held your family, and to save them you had to get the info from that person. May not be right, may not be good, but it will get results. The right fear, the right pain, will get results.
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#34
Jul 20, 2008
 
why did they fire him....
the torturing techniques is not for criminals but for regular citizens.....

“Retired Extremely Dangerous”

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Jul 20, 2008
 
Pony wrote:
<quoted text> Ben you have got it right. Elite units will go through simulated torture. But I will tell you it does not feel simulated at the time. Knowing what you may face in bad times will give you a little more effort not to be found or caught. I have always asked this question. Would you torture a person if they held your family, and to save them you had to get the info from that person. May not be right, may not be good, but it will get results. The right fear, the right pain, will get results.
When it comes down to it every one of us have use some sort of torture on someone, at one time, or another, no phone, no TV, grounded for a week, no free time. The military will teach you that information gathered through torture is untrustworthy the EPW will say anything to get you to stop, but the right amount of pressure and the correct form of a negative motivational influence, will yield the information requested. In Viet Nam, a wet rag over the EPWs face while dripping water on it got us the right info at the right time.

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Jul 20, 2008
 
texball---the original wrote:
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Get aload of this Ben-Hebron.First he was pushing ,crime free New York ,than gay life and now this. do these go together in your life.And quit your preaching rabi.We didnot sign up for bible study.Especially your sick head religion.
The subject matter is beyond your comprehension, we see that you being is a sixth grade drop out from Juarez school for the terminally lacking of intellectual acuity, you are unable to understand words that are greater than two syllables. Understandably, the El Paso academic system is beyond all hope for you, your attempt for sarcasm is elementary at best. It seems that your mama breast-feeding you until your fifteenth birthday, and did not reasonably prepare you for the grownup world; therefore, as a recommendation take a dirt nap, you are brain dead.

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Jul 20, 2008
 
Ben-Hebron wrote:
<quoted text>The subject matter is beyond your comprehension, we see that you being is a sixth grade drop out from Juarez school for the terminally lacking of intellectual acuity, you are unable to understand words that are greater than two syllables. Understandably, the El Paso academic system is beyond all hope for you, your attempt for sarcasm is elementary at best. It seems that your mama breast-feeding you until your fifteenth birthday, and did not reasonably prepare you for the grownup world; therefore, as a recommendation take a dirt nap, you are brain dead.
Hilarious...someone had to say it

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Jul 20, 2008
 
texball wrote:
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Paul was right .These white peope make these torture idiots heroes.The rest of us just think you are stupid.Why would we care about torture videos.Or those stupid reality shows of Hulk Hogan fighting with his fat wife.Or any of those black reality shows.These are the people that are so boring that they still got that DYKE EX PROSECUTOR ON cHANELS 33 AND 34 TELLING US ABOUT O.J. dUD WHO CARES ABOUT O.J. OR THESE TORTURE VIDEOS.If you really want to see torture ride to Mexico with me ,I am sure they will obligue on you.
I dont remember saying or even implying i was white, but thats beside the point. It's obvious you have a problem with reading comprehension. I asked if anyone knew where the video was available to be viewed. I've been to Mexican plenty of times, I wouldnt piss on that country if it was on fire. Until you have been to the US ARMY's SERE school, you have no clue what torture is. All you know is what you see on TV and attempt to read in your comic books.
texball---the original

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#40
Jul 20, 2008
 
remember who is writing ese......

its not me vato loco bro......

mine will always end in..

viva la raza

“Retired Extremely Dangerous”

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Jul 20, 2008
 
Send It wrote:
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Hilarious...someone had to say it
This is a simple adjust fire mission, one round fire for effect,“texball”, is an easy target of opportunity, the electronic signature is there using ese, vato, bro, viva la raza made it easy to realize the targets potential for self destruction by a one round kill. It seems “texball” was used a practice dummy by is bros when testing the effects of electricity on some one without gentiles.

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joey wrote:
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This guy got it right.Not stupid Ben-Hebron or the other guys.You people talk like torture is hard.First of all every day we go through cartels,zetas,bodyguards,gangs ,mexican feds and military,and than we have to get along with american feds here.This is everyday life for us ,we live our lives like we will not comback.We train our kids to understand this is the position god put me in.I didnot choose this life,It was laid out for me by god and the families.and the govt. I have trained for torture almost everyday of my life.I practice everyday,mental,pain,everythin g.Because I am not like you people that can choose what they are going to do everyday.I train to die for the cause.and the operative.There is no torture That I am afraid of.because most of us would rather be dead.We are tired,we have seen it all and fealt it all. I have been brought back from the dead a few times.Cancer,drowning,car accident.respitory failure.I don't care.You cant stop me, because I only have one leader and that is god.You people care about your riches your lives ,your loved ones.Me I don't tie myself to anything or anybody.Because the only person I owe anything to ,is god ,I owe him one more day of life,for whatever he wants me to do.and tommorrow,I owe him another day.That sir is torture.The rest that you all talk about is make believe for me.and that is why I can go to these places and you will never be able to. That is why cartels,zetas,columbians,feds all understand .I am different.Dont make it look like torture is great and don't try to be heroes like Ben-Hebron,that is getting old and wants to be seen as somebody before he dies.Don't ask to be a hero or a Ben-Hebron,because you may find youself in our position.We just want out.And it never ends.Today mexico.Tomorrow we already are set for Columbia,Than so on and so on.
Another bleeding heart liberal stop your crying, so fukn what? If the Mexican Police think they can control their streets through tough interrogation techniques that is okay with me, torture the SOBs to death, the cartels have no problem with it, let the Mexican Federal police kill them all, Mexican drug runners are animal any way they have no souls; to he11 with them. Mexican Federal Police will do well by going to Saudi Arabia and learn from them the best methods of tough interrogation, they do it very well.
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#47
Jul 20, 2008
 
just relax! military probably uses the same tactics with all their training like SEER or the Navy Seals. Whats the big deal, people always falling asleep on their own vomit after a nice night of partying in the dorms! or even falling asleep in the restroom where everyone goes and pees, farts and writes all over them!! havent we all gone through that college experience!!!

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Jul 20, 2008
 
julie wrote:
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You idiot you dont know nothing.These people are the ones that have to deal with mexican police,feds.The zetas would kill your army tactics.These guys attack like vietcong.Cutting off heads,and waiting till you die just to see your face when you finally croke.Didn't you understand anything.And they just told you about the mexican drug runners.These guys live it .You just talk it.Take your stupid dribble elsewhere.We are tired of you attacking everybody,just to be the last one to talk.That is our torture listening to you and your proproganda.Take it back to Brooklyn,jackuas
Another Mexican with her heart in Mexico and her pansa in the US. Then it is okay, let the Zeta, and the Mexican Federal Police meet each other in the field of battle and let the best one win. If Mexico want to live under that regime then they have a choice, the Zetas or the Republic, it is the choice they have to make, let the bastards kill each other off. Then the native aboriginals can reclaim their land, and everyone will be happy or dead, one choice ca not have both ways.
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#52
Jul 20, 2008
 
Ben-Hebron wrote:
<quoted text>+++Hey A$$ H01E+++ As per Amnesty International every country on the planate engages in torture as a systemic part of getting information from suspected criminals, terrorist, and so on, what makes this news is the following statement,“In another video, an unidentified English-speaking trainer asks a police agent to roll in his own vomit. The English-speaking man belonged to a private U.S. security company hired to help train the agents, ex-police chief Tornero had said”, other wise who would give a sh#t about the story, it’s old news.
Hey dumba$$. Torture does not work. Period. Google. It. Jew.

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#53
Jul 20, 2008
 
Ben-Hebron wrote:
MEXICO CITY (AP)–“A Mexican police chief was fired Friday following the release of two police training videos that show officers practicing torture techniques, local media reported”. Great, now where are amnesty international and the World Court on this matter. These two bodies and the socialist liberals in the US claim that US troops is using torture against insurgents, and is condemning our soldiers but nothing is said about the Mexican police torturing their our citizens.
Wow, that was a stupid post. Ever think the reason Americans condemn the US military for using torture techniques is because we expect better from our own government? Yeah, it sucks that Mexicans do it, but what does that really have to do with AMERICAN foreign policy? And I've got news for you numbnuts: it's not just "liberals" and "socialists" who condemn torture.

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