WakeUpBushDidIt

Canton, OH

#18948 Jun 6, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
What is it about the left that makes them hate choice? Could it be because choice means freedom, because choice means options, because choice means not forced into the demands of others?
You do know that it's likely that if businesses had no option other than staying in a union controlled state, they too WOULD be heading to China.
Right...can't pay those CEO's their 800% wage increase, hand out bonuses with stimulus money and pay workers a decent wage...off to Chine.
WakeUpBushDidIt

Canton, OH

#18949 Jun 6, 2013
Funny. I thought I heard a rightwing talking about choice. Even sounds funny to say it. Let's ask the rightwing Christian Conservatives how they feel about other people's "choices".
WakeUpBushDidIt

Canton, OH

#18950 Jun 6, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Unions are NOT about the worker. Unions are about union power & use the workers as a tool to accomplish the power that they have lust for.
Hostess would still be viable if not for certain unions. I could add a long list of petty unions but I can't type a zillion characters a second like Loren. Sometimes I wish that I could.
Thanks. We'll check in again when we really need a perspective from 1972.
mapleman

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#18951 Jun 6, 2013
WakeUpBushDidIt wrote:
<quoted text>
Right...can't pay those CEO's their 800% wage increase, hand out bonuses with stimulus money and pay workers a decent wage...off to Chine.
The rich people sure have a lot of non-rich suckers fighting for them. Some people are just fools. I say that the rich should fight their own battles. Why are all these working-class stiffs fighting for the greedy people who don't care about them? You pointed out how CEOs are getting rich. What about the average worker? Nothing.

It's never enough with these corporations. Remember the time when there wasn't a delivery charge for pizza delivery? These companies were making enough money, but it's never enough. They want more and more. It's just funny that most the people who stick up for these corporations are barely making it.

The U.S. has some of the worst Internet speeds in the developed world, but people are paying a premium for those terrible speeds. They also can't wait to "nickle and dime" customer with their data caps. Pathetic. Yet there are fools who will fight for their rights to be price gouged by the rich.

I don't blame corporations. If they can get these fools to vote against their own best interests, why not do it? The bottom line is this: If you aren't making at least $100,000, you shouldn't be a Republican(unless you are a religious nutjob).

I'm a proud independent. I could just as easily rant about the Democratic party, but at least the people voting for the Democratic party aren't voting against their own financial best interests.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#18952 Jun 6, 2013
mapleman wrote:
<quoted text>
The rich people sure have a lot of non-rich suckers fighting for them. Some people are just fools. I say that the rich should fight their own battles. Why are all these working-class stiffs fighting for the greedy people who don't care about them? You pointed out how CEOs are getting rich. What about the average worker? Nothing.
It's never enough with these corporations. Remember the time when there wasn't a delivery charge for pizza delivery? These companies were making enough money, but it's never enough. They want more and more. It's just funny that most the people who stick up for these corporations are barely making it.
The U.S. has some of the worst Internet speeds in the developed world, but people are paying a premium for those terrible speeds. They also can't wait to "nickle and dime" customer with their data caps. Pathetic. Yet there are fools who will fight for their rights to be price gouged by the rich.
I don't blame corporations. If they can get these fools to vote against their own best interests, why not do it? The bottom line is this: If you aren't making at least $100,000, you shouldn't be a Republican(unless you are a religious nutjob).
I'm a proud independent. I could just as easily rant about the Democratic party, but at least the people voting for the Democratic party aren't voting against their own financial best interests.
This is because you've been lied to about what the parties are about. The Republican party is not about the wealthy, the Republican party is the party that believes in true equality for all.

Democrats love to divide Americans into groups, and then pick the winners and losers.

Gay vs straight, smokers vs non-smokers, rich vs poor, working vs non-working, black vs white..........

Of course Democrats vote for their best interest, and their best interest is stealing money from other people to give to them. But oh, they are not greedy, only wealthy people who earned their money are greedy.

What I laugh about are the fools who complain about CEO's and their pay, but then deal or invest in those very same companies. But those ever so concerned Americans are not about to take a stand. They will never do without their cell phone, their landline, their internet, their fast food, nothing. They will continue to deal with all these companies no matter how much the CEO makes.

Yeah, but speaking of cell phones, internet and cable, who do you think is paying for all those free services for other people? That's right, the paying customers. When these liberals get their panties wet about how poor people don't have this or that, they mandate it and those companies charge us--the working people.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#18953 Jun 6, 2013
WakeUpBushDidIt wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks. We'll check in again when we really need a perspective from 1972.
Perhaps if people had listened to us in 1972, we would have many more jobs in this country because that's about the time we were warning of how strong the unions were becoming, and how they would eventually chase jobs out of the country.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#18954 Jun 6, 2013
WakeUpBushDidIt wrote:
<quoted text>
Right...can't pay those CEO's their 800% wage increase, hand out bonuses with stimulus money and pay workers a decent wage...off to Chine.
Why don't you find me a successful company where their CEO is making $50,000 per year? You can't, because the companies that pay their CEO's a million or so a year put them out of business.
LorenEberly

Mount Gilead, OH

#18955 Jun 6, 2013
Obama Appointees Foreign and Domestic Policy:

Americas Founding Fathers supported immigrants coming to USA that comply with USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.

Demanding every Business Owner and their Stockholders, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.

This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

And enables every parent to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide; for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

The majority of Us the Government of this Representative Republic that vote and the nonvoters that sit on their dead hands and whine; insist on electing Obnoxious President, Vice President, Governor, Representatives of US the Government, County Commissioners, Township Trustees, Mayors, City Council, School Administrators and Board Members.

That holds Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.

To fund Illegal drug users and Illegal Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in tax abated enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. That pays with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid.

Pay income tax, social security tax, and road tax Amish evade paying 10% of their income derived from wages, Ponzi credit certificates, and independent business profit to nonprofit, tax exempt, Amish Church.

Pay for all stimulus packages, tax abatements, tax incentives, tax refunds, tax credit, and tax exemptions.

Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. Vendors collect without compensation. That gets only product or service.

Defying USA Labor Law, the Constitution, and Realities demands Makes free, fair, and affordable commerce IMPOSSIBLE; Makes funding schools IMPOSSIBLE; Makes balancing every budget IMPOSSIBLE; Makes Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and Americas grandchildren's children life UNAFFORDABLE; and created Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. America’s grandchildren’s children are responsible to pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with this debt until they are 18 years old.

America’s grandchildren’s children cannot pay this debt in a hundred million years.
LorenEberly

Mount Gilead, OH

#18956 Jun 6, 2013
US Households Gain No Wealth From Recession:

OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) gain wealth derived from marketing more stock dividends (money) quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. That gets only product or service.

Needed to measure and maintain the strength and growth of this UNAFFORDABLE economy and distribute money Human Beings cannot digest, burn in internal combustion engines, or burn to heat and cool their American Dream. Into OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders portfolios.

US Households Gain No Wealth from President, the Justices they appoint, and Elected Officials defying USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.

Demanding every Business Owner and their Stockholders, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.

This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

And holding Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.

To fund Illegal drug users and Illegal Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in tax abated enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. That pays with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid.

Pay income tax, social security tax, and road tax Amish evade paying 10% of their income derived from wages, Ponzi credit certificates, and independent business profit to nonprofit, tax exempt, Amish Church.

Pay for all stimulus packages, tax abatements, tax incentives, tax refunds, tax credit, and tax exemptions.

Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. Vendors collect without compensation. That gets only product or service.

This created Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. America’s grandchildren’s children are responsible to pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with this debt until they are 18 years old.

America’s grandchildren’s children cannot afford life and pay this debt with the $7.25 per hour Government mandated labor wage in a hundred million years.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#18957 Jun 6, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps if people had listened to us in 1972, we would have many more jobs in this country because that's about the time we were warning of how strong the unions were becoming, and how they would eventually chase jobs out of the country.
Result of FDR's Modern Pseudo Liberalism.

Since: Aug 12

United States

#18958 Jun 6, 2013
LorenEberly wrote:
US Households Gain No Wealth From Recession:
OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) gain wealth derived from marketing more stock dividends (money) quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. That gets only product or service.
Needed to measure and maintain the strength and growth of this UNAFFORDABLE economy and distribute money Human Beings cannot digest, burn in internal combustion engines, or burn to heat and cool their American Dream. Into OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders portfolios.
US Households Gain No Wealth from President, the Justices they appoint, and Elected Officials defying USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.
Demanding every Business Owner and their Stockholders, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.
This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.
And holding Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grand
To fund Illegal drug users and Illegal Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in tax abated enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. That pays with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid.
Pay income tax, social security tax, and road tax Amish evade paying 10% of their income derived from wages, Ponzi credit certificates, and independent business profit to nonprofit, tax exempt, Amish Church.
Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. Vendors collect without compensation. That gets only product or service.
This created Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. America’s grandchildren’s children are responsible to pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with this debt until they are 18 years old.
America’s grandchildren’s children cannot afford life and pay this debt with the $7.25 per hour Government mandated labor wage in a hundred million years.
My household has gained a hell of a lot of wealth thanks to Caesar Obamus unintentionally. Its because the devaluation of the dollar make it easier for China to pay many more dollars for what I export to them.

Since: Aug 12

United States

#18959 Jun 6, 2013
Loren is losing ability to debate effectively. Please stop Loren.
LorenEberly

Mount Gilead, OH

#18960 Jun 6, 2013
Foreign and Domestic Investors:

Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.

Cannot fund Illegal drug users and Illegal Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in tax abated enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. That pays with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid. For product and service Foreign and Domestic Investors use slaves and nonunion workers to produce in tax abated enterprise zones in USA, Mexico, China, India, and etc. for fewer wages than they can afford life.

Pay income tax, social security tax, and road tax Amish evade paying 10% of their income derived from wages, Ponzi credit certificates, and independent business profit to nonprofit, tax exempt, Amish Church.

Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. Vendors collect without compensation. That gets only product or service.

Needed to measure and maintain the strength and growth of this UNAFFORDABLE economy and distribute money Human Beings cannot digest, burn in internal combustion engines, or burn to heat and cool their American Dream. Into OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders portfolios.

Makes free, fair, and affordable commerce IMPOSSIBLE; Makes funding schools IMPOSSIBLE; Makes balancing every budget IMPOSSIBLE; Makes Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and Americas grandchildren's children life UNAFFORDABLE; and created Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. America’s grandchildren’s children are responsible to pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with this debt until they are 18 years old.

With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

America’s grandchildren’s children cannot afford life and pay this debt with the $7.25 per hour Government mandated labor wage in a hundred million years.
Matter

Ashland, KY

#18961 Jun 6, 2013
Does it?

Since: Aug 12

United States

#18962 Jun 7, 2013
LorenEberly wrote:
Foreign and Domestic Investors:
Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchyhildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.
Cannot fund Illegal drug users and Illegal Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in tyax abated enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. That pays with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid. For product and service Foreign and Domestic Investors use slaves and nonunion workers to produce in tax abated enterprise zones in USA, Mexico, China, India, and etc. for fewer wages than they can afford life.
Pay income tax, social security tax, and road tax Amish evade paying 10% of their income derived from wages, Ponzi credit certificates, and independent business profit to nonprofit, tax exempt, Amish Church.
Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. Vendors collect without compensation. That gets only product or service.
Needed to measure and maintain the strength and growth of this UNAFFORDABLE economy and distribute money Human Beings cannot digest, burn in internal combustion engines, or burn to heat and cool their American Dream. Into OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders portfolios.
Makes free, fair, and affordable commerce IMPOSSIBLE; Makes funding schools IMPOSSIBLE; Makes balancing every budget IMPOSSIBLE; Makes Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and Americas grandchildren's children life UNAFFORDABLE; and created Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. America’s grandchildren’s children are responsible to pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with this debt until they are 18 years old.
With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.
America’s grandchildren’s children cannot afford life and pay this debt with the $7.25 per hour Government mandated labor wage in a hundred million years.
Set Corporate tax rate at zero percent and offer tax amnesty to the 18 trillion offshore. Supply of labor will dry up and wages will skyrocket!
GreedDestroyedAm erica

Canton, OH

#18964 Jun 7, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps if people had listened to us in 1972, we would have many more jobs in this country because that's about the time we were warning of how strong the unions were becoming, and how they would eventually chase jobs out of the country.
Yah, back the 70's, when American industry was thriving and most with unions. Hmmmm. Let's see. What is it that changed? Oh...that's right. "Patriots" like yourself, were told by boss man that worker's rights are a bad thing and you bought into it. CEO's pay increased 800% while they were selling America out to cheap overseas labor and giving themselves stimulus bonuses, the whole time and to this day, you mindlessly follow what propaganda billionaires have told you (see second hand smoke is not harmful, energy emissions have no effect on our environment, breaking up unions like they do in China is good for the working man...)

Just because you were dumb enough to buy into things like trickledown or "God told me to invade Iraq", doesn't mean the thinking folks in this nation should have to pay for your very bad, as in "Mission Accomplished" bad decisions.
GreedDestroyedAm erica

Canton, OH

#18965 Jun 7, 2013
I forget. What's America's threat level color today? Don't see a whole lot of that on "Fair and Balanced" Fox News these days. Strange how when things were so much "better" under GW, we were being told to be awfully afraid by the right. Must have been all of those WMDs that Saddam had. Ain't that right Halliburton?(wink).

Since: Aug 12

Acworth, GA

#18966 Jun 7, 2013
GreedDestroyedAmerica wrote:
I forget. What's America's threat level color today? Don't see a whole lot of that on "Fair and Balanced" Fox News these days. Strange how when things were so much "better" under GW, we were being told to be awfully afraid by the right. Must have been all of those WMDs that Saddam had. Ain't that right Halliburton?(wink).
Nowadays we get told how much cheaper health insurance is under Obamacare. Whats the big deal?? its just a lie.

Since: Aug 12

Acworth, GA

#18967 Jun 7, 2013
GreedDestroyedAmerica wrote:
<quoted text>
Yah, back the 70's, when American industry was thriving and most with unions. Hmmmm. Let's see. What is it that changed? Oh...that's right. "Patriots" like yourself, were told by boss man that worker's rights are a bad thing and you bought into it. CEO's pay increased 800% while they were selling America out to cheap overseas labor and giving themselves stimulus bonuses, the whole time and to this day, you mindlessly follow what propaganda billionaires have told you (see second hand smoke is not harmful, energy emissions have no effect on our environment, breaking up unions like they do in China is good for the working man...)
Just because you were dumb enough to buy into things like trickledown or "God told me to invade Iraq", doesn't mean the thinking folks in this nation should have to pay for your very bad, as in "Mission Accomplished" bad decisions.
Why don't you go buy a factory if its so damn good there in Ohio?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#18968 Jun 7, 2013
UdintBuildThat wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you go buy a factory if its so damn good there in Ohio?
Just think Ohio is one of the 11 states that there is more takers(people on entitlement programs or welfare) than givers(working taxpayers).

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