Well it seems sterling to a certain union based crowd in Springboro. So why shouldn't it be good enough for the schools in Dayton? Then the children of Dayton too could be considered "excellent with distinction".<quoted text>
Because all children are created equal! Unless you believe otherwise. So I'm going to ask again why would 20% be "sterling" for Dayton children?
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#24449
Apr 27, 2013


#24450
Apr 27, 2013
How silly it is for idiot to use the name genius on this blog! No matter the name, stupid IS as stupid says! 

#24451
Apr 27, 2013
Seing as how you do not seem to be able to do anything above smearing anyone with a reasoned opinion, let me see how you smear the system that produces these results year in and year out. Year after year after year. Note the downward spiral and the number of children that move down the scale rather than up the scale from third to 8th grade. Just Watching wrote: 3rd Grade 20092010 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results. . Math .......52 possible points on the test . . State Rating System and distribution of students for the 3rd grade . Limited.......... 14 Students Limited.......... 39% was the Average score for this group Limited..........definition0 24 correct answers =(046% correct) . Basic..........46 Students Basic ..........55% was the Average score for this group Basic..........definition25  32 correct answers =(4862% correct) . Proficient........158 Students Proficient........72% was the Average score for this group Proficient.........definition 3341 correct answers =(6379% correct) . Accelerated.....124 Students Accelerated.....84% was the Average score for this group Accelerated.....definition42 45 correct answers =(8187% correct) . Advanced........124 Students Advanced........93% was the Average score for this group Advanced........definition46 52 correct answers =(88100% correct) . Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO) . F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......59 Students Percentage of Students.....13% receiving F D..... 63% 74.99% correct answers......83 Students Percentage of Students.....18% receiving D C......75% 84.99% correct answers........127 Students Percentage of Students.....27% receiving C B..... 85% 92.99% correct answers........149 Students Percentage of Students.....32% receiving B A..... 93% correct answers and above.....46 Students Percentage of Students....10% receiving A 

#24452
Apr 27, 2013
FOURTH GRADE
4th Grade 20102011 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results. . Math .......52 possible points on the test . . State Rating System and distribution of students for the 4th grade . Limited.......... 8 Students Limited.......... 25% was the Average score for this group Limited..........definition0 16 correct answers =(031% correct) . Basic..........32 Students Basic ..........57% was the Average score for this group Basic..........definition17  24 correct answers =(3346% correct) . Proficient........108 Students Proficient........60% was the Average score for this group Proficient.........definition 2536 correct answers =(4869% correct) . Accelerated.....104 Students Accelerated.....76% was the Average score for this group Accelerated.....definition37 42 correct answers =(6381% correct) . Advanced........176 Students Advanced........83% was the Average score for this group Advanced........definition43 52 correct answers =(83100% correct) . Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO) . F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......104 Students Percentage of Students.....24% receiving F D..... 63% 74.99% correct answers......76 Students Percentage of Students.....18% receiving D C......75% 84.99% correct answers........93 Students Percentage of Students.....22% receiving C B..... 85% 92.99% correct answers........98 Students Percentage of Students.....23% receiving B A..... 93% correct answers and above.....57 Students Percentage of Students....13% receiving A 

#24453
Apr 27, 2013
SAME kids now in FIFTH GRADE
5th Grade 20112012 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results. . Math .......52 possible points on the test . . State Rating System and distribution of students for the 5th grade . Limited.......... 20 Students Limited.......... 25% was the Average score for this group Limited..........definition0 17 correct answers =(033% correct) . Basic..........35 Students Basic ..........40% was the Average score for this group Basic..........definition18  23 correct answers =(3444% correct) . Proficient........107 Students Proficient........54% was the Average score for this group Proficient.........definition 2432 correct answers =(4662% correct) . Accelerated.....76 Students Accelerated.....67% was the Average score for this group Accelerated.....definition33 37 correct answers =(6371% correct) . Advanced........213 Students Advanced........82% was the Average score for this group Advanced........definition38 52 correct answers =(73100% correct) . Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO) . F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......162 Students Percentage of Students.....36% receiving F D..... 63% 74.99% correct answers......95 Students Percentage of Students.....21% receiving D C......75% 84.99% correct answers........90 Students Percentage of Students.....20% receiving C B..... 85% 92.99% correct answers........77 Students Percentage of Students.....17% receiving B A..... 93% correct answers and above.....27 Students Percentage of Students....6% receiving A 

#24454
Apr 27, 2013
Kids in SIXTH GRADE, lets follow their progress through Intermediate School and Junior High
6th Grade 20092010 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results. . Math .......50 possible points on the test . . State Rating System and distribution of students for the 6th grade . Limited.......... 12 Students Limited.......... 18% was the Average score for this group Limited..........definition0 12 correct answers =(018% correct) . Basic..........13 Students Basic ..........31% was the Average score for this group Basic..........definition13 19 correct answers =(2638% correct) . Proficient........96 Students Proficient........47% was the Average score for this group Proficient.........definition 2027 correct answers =(4054% correct) . Accelerated.....104 Students Accelerated.....62% was the Average score for this group Accelerated.....definition28 36 correct answers =(6072% correct) . Advanced........176 Students Advanced........80% was the Average score for this group Advanced........definition37 50 correct answers =(74100% correct) . Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO) . F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......209 Students Percentage of Students.....49% receiving F D..... 63% 74.99% correct answers......93 Students Percentage of Students.....22% receiving D C......75% 84.99% correct answers........73 Students Percentage of Students.....17% receiving C B..... 85% 92.99% correct answers........42 Students Percentage of Students.....10% receiving B A..... 93% correct answers and above.....9 Students Percentage of Students......2% receiving A 

#24455
Apr 27, 2013
Same kids now in Junior High SEVENTH GRADE
What did the children learn in grades 16 in Springboro? Only 21% scored better than 75% on the 7th grade OAA Math test. 21% 7th Grade 20102011 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results. . Math .......50 possible points on the test . . State Rating System and distribution of students for the 7th grade . Limited.......... 8 Students Limited.......... 17% was the Average score for this group Limited..........definition0 9 correct answers =(018% correct) . Basic..........35 Students Basic ..........27% was the Average score for this group Basic..........definition10 16 correct answers =(2032% correct) . Proficient........161 Students Proficient........47% was the Average score for this group Proficient.........definition 1729 correct answers =(3458% correct) . Accelerated.....95 Students Accelerated.....65% was the Average score for this group Accelerated.....definition30 36 correct answers =(6072% correct) . Advanced........104 Students Advanced........81% was the Average score for this group Advanced........definition37 50 correct answers =(74100% correct) . Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO) . F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......239 Students Percentage of Students.....59% receiving F D..... 63% 74.99% correct answers......79 Students Percentage of Students.....20% receiving D C......75% 84.99% correct answers........60 Students Percentage of Students.....15% receiving C B..... 85% 92.99% correct answers........25 Students Percentage of Students.....6% receiving B A..... 93% correct answers and above.....2 Students Percentage of Students......0% receiving A 

#24456
Apr 27, 2013
Same kids now in the EIGHTH GRADE
Ask the union to address this issue during negotiation and then see how their pay looks. 8th Grade 20112012 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results. . Math .......50 possible points on the test . . State Rating System and distribution of students for the 8th grade . Limited.......... 3 Students Limited.......... 20% was the Average score for this group Limited..........definition0 10 correct answers =(020% correct) . Basic..........25 Students Basic ..........27% was the Average score for this group Basic..........definition11 15 correct answers =(2230% correct) . Proficient........174 Students Proficient........47% was the Average score for this group Proficient.........definition 1629 correct answers =(3258% correct) . Accelerated.....159 Students Accelerated.....67% was the Average score for this group Accelerated.....definition30 36 correct answers =(6072% correct) . Advanced........77 Students Advanced........85% was the Average score for this group Advanced........definition37 50 correct answers =(74100% correct) . Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO) . F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......239 Students Percentage of Students.....55% receiving F D..... 63% 74.99% correct answers......108 Students Percentage of Students.....25% receiving D C......75% 84.99% correct answers........49 Students Percentage of Students.....11% receiving C B..... 85% 92.99% correct answers........36 Students Percentage of Students.....8% receiving B A..... 93% correct answers and above.....6 Students Percentage of Students.....1% receiving A . . . Is this the level of achievement to which we wish to aspire in Springboro? . Is this the best we are capable of given our resources? . Should we continue to allow the schools and the state to hide behind euphemisms rather than actual achievement? . Demand better, our children and taxpayers deserve a real return on our investment in our schools. 

#24457
Apr 27, 2013
Try showing as much passion about the 2000 plus kids in our school district that are not getting the education the taxpayers are funding.
Those who would hide behind the low bar set by the state know full well that PROFICIENT is a nice sounding euphemism for FAILURE, PROFICIENT = FAILURE 

#24458
Apr 28, 2013
Totally Agree! Why not focus on Supporting Our Success in Springboro Schools, being accomplished by our children first budgeting principals, ensuring our classroom teachers the reasources needed for successful teaching? Inquiring minds are now asking if the latest red ribbon "support our teachers" campaign is not symbolism over substance. Are there any among our parents and community members who do not support our teachers? We can all rally the red in support of our teacher’s rights to negotiate themselves A Fair Day's Pay For A Fair Day's Work; But, can we all support the “status quo business as usual” old, outdated teachers union rights to walk out on our children's classroom education? Why not add a white ribbon in support of our students' rights to receive a quality education, while keeping the costs of that education affordable for Springboro parents and taxpaying homeowners? Red and white ribbons showing strong support for our teachers and children are made strongest by adding a blue ribbon of support for our school board representatives, school district administrative staff, and school district taxpayers? Can our community as a whole support our teachers and staff separate from support of our school district taxpayers and their elected officials? Why not rally for the unity of red, white, and blue supporting substance over symbolism? Let's all rally in support of ALL working together to ensure that the children of the Springboro community receive an excellent education while keeping the costs of that education affordable, by carefully adhering to responsible spending! 

#24459
Apr 28, 2013
Another glimpse into the future of negotiations in Springboro when they are lead by outside forces with their own personal agenda and not the best interest of our children at heart.
The Cleveland Plain Dealer has featured this manual in an article about the Strongsville teacher strike. The NEA, OEA and SEA are calling it a forgery. http://www.cleveland.com/strongsville/index.s... Just like in the movie the "Wizard of OZ", I think they don't like it when the curtain is pulled back and the public can see who they really are. You be the judge. The http://strikefacts.com/ web site that is referenced in the CPD article is interesting. 

#24460
Apr 28, 2013
After church we had lunch with my wife's sister who is a special ed teacher in Loveland. She told us that she and her friends were talking about how they couldn't afford to be on strike for two months like the teachers in Strongsville.
She said they were worried after watching what the OEA did up north and they didn't want to do what those teacher had to do to get the same contract they were offered two months ago. She got kind of teary eyed at the thought of going a couple months without pay and I know she isn't one sitting around with two months worth of living expenses she can live off of in an emergency. She got more worried when we told her about the opening bid by the OEA in Springboro. 

#24461
Apr 28, 2013
In the Springboro Sun news article of April 25, David Bowman, states: "The board's goal should be to strengthen the district's educational system, not to try to prove a political point."
Really? And what "political" point would that be? Could it be the "point" that our Springboro Board of Education representatives are committed to assuring a strong, quality classroom education for every Springboro student, while living within the school district's financial means? In the same news article, Mr. Bowman goes on to opine.... "it appears to many that the board's proposed contract was written with the goal of forcing the teachers to strike, which is sad." To many of those who support our success in Springboro Schools and support the leadership of our school board, it appears Mr. Bowman’s war of words suggest, IF teachers strike, then it is at the board's "forcing?" Springboro parents and taxpaying voters in this school district want to make sure to Set The Record Straight here... The board cannot force the teachers to strike! IF the SEA chooses to strike, the SEA must also claim sole responsibility of walking out on our children., and not be believed when the SEA tries to “blame it on the board for forcing a strike.” 

#24462
Apr 28, 2013
Your words "sterling" for Dayton, not for Springboro. Now it's the union. "Sterling" is your words don't recall union making these statements. Just more misinformation by you. Please answer the question why is it "sterling" for Dayton, and not for Springboro? 

#24463
Apr 28, 2013
How silly it is for (an) idiot to use the name Genius (Cap G) on this blog!(Are you asking a question or making a statement) One thing that you are correct on is no matter the name, stupid IS as stupid says! Must have touched a nerve. 

#24464
Apr 28, 2013
In the Springboro Sun news article of April 25, David Bowman, states: "The board's goal should be to strengthen the district's educational system, not to try to prove a political point."
Really? And what "political" point would that be? Could it be the "point" that our Springboro Board of Education representatives are committed to assuring a strong, quality classroom education for every Springboro student, while living within the school district's financial means? In the same news article, Mr. Bowman goes on to opine.... "it appears to many that the board's proposed contract was written with the goal of forcing the teachers to strike, which is sad." To many of those who support our success in Springboro Schools and support the leadership of our school board, it appears Mr. Bowman’s war of words suggest, IF teachers strike, then it is at the board's "forcing?" Springboro parents and taxpaying voters in this school district want to make sure to Set The Record Straight here... The board cannot force the teachers to strike! IF the SEA chooses to strike, the SEA must also claim sole responsibility of walking out on our children., and not be believed when the SEA tries to “blame it on the board for forcing a strike.” 

#24465
Apr 28, 2013
In the April 25th Springboro Sun article,
"Bowman said he is troubled to hear board members ask why it is necessary to rally behind the district's teachers." Really, Mr. Bowman? troubled? Whatever could be “troubling” about the astonishing progress being made by our school board and administration “in defining and meeting the needs of our students with a focus to make our instructors as effective as possible?” That just sounds amazingly awesome to me! To set the record straight, Mr. Bowman, isn't it true that you did not hear "board members" ask that question; but isn't it true that you took that question out of context in an inspiring article of tribute to teachers, which was written by one board member and posted on the website which can be read in its entirety at: http://educatespringboro.wordpress.com/catego... To Set the Record Straight, here is the “question” in context of the board member's inspiring article. “When the purpose of the red ribbon was explained to me, my initial reaction was one of confusion. Why do we need to rally behind the district’s teachers? Yes, contract negotiations have started but we have not attacked anyone or showed disrespect for their work and profession. On the surface, one may misconstrue this Campaign and action to be yet another attempt to create a divisive environment in our community, clearly under false pretense. Perhaps just a knee jerk reaction because this school board and administration have made astonishing progress in defining and meeting the needs of our students with a focus to make our instructors as effective as possible.” 

#24466
Apr 28, 2013
See OAA test results posted earlier, I think all your questions will be answered as you watch the children glide down the slope of testing data with each progressive year of learning. 

#24467
Apr 28, 2013
Once again how about some of the 2000 plus kids who are not getting the education the taxpayers have been funding?
The old efforts to ignore the data, the questions, and the issues in an effort to turn attention away from the problems you wish to run from won't be happening any time soon. When 80% of our children in the 8th grade cannot pass a basic math test in this community filled with an overwhelming amount of resources, parents who value education, parents with advanced degrees, the absolute best teachers in the whole wide world, then something is amiss. And if the answer was more money, the kids in Dayton would be sterling as well as we consider ourselves to be. 

#24468
Apr 28, 2013
Please define "the education the taxpayers are funding". What is that? A certain number of children per classroom? A certain amount of tutors and aides per number of children? What level of service are you paying for? Specifics please. Doug you can keep posting the same state numbers regarding g proficiency. Can you put some numbers down to define the level of service the taxpayers are paying forhow that is apparently inadequate for the 2000 you keep saying are underserved and how that gap can be closed? Thanks. 

 
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