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Answer

Cincinnati, OH

#22385 Oct 15, 2012
just wondering wrote:
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I was just wondering. Who appointed the current superintendent anyway?
The current superintendent was not "appointed."
Mr. Todd Petrey was HIRED by our Springboro Schools Board of Education "elected officials" Scott Anderson, Kelly Kohls, Don Miller, David Petroni, and Jim Rigano.

Mr. Petrey has forgotten "who works for whom" and has now APPOINTED himself "King of Petrey's Palace" and has "dubbed" the levy ladies and the union activists to radically rule alongside him over our school district taxpayers with his new pro-union levy committee, the Springboro Community Impact Team.

Our current board members, Kelly Kohls, David Petroni, Jim Rigano, Don Miller and Wendy Kull need to be reminded by school district voters to say Just Say No to Petrey on October 23 to the Union presidents latest efforts to throw the people's voice out of the boardroom.
finally

United States

#22387 Oct 15, 2012
Answer wrote:
<quoted text>
The current superintendent was not "appointed."
Mr. Todd Petrey was HIRED by our Springboro Schools Board of Education "elected officials" Scott Anderson, Kelly Kohls, Don Miller, David Petroni, and Jim Rigano.
Mr. Petrey has forgotten "who works for whom" and has now APPOINTED himself "King of Petrey's Palace" and has "dubbed" the levy ladies and the union activists to radically rule alongside him over our school district taxpayers with his new pro-union levy committee, the Springboro Community Impact Team.
Our current board members, Kelly Kohls, David Petroni, Jim Rigano, Don Miller and Wendy Kull need to be reminded by school district voters to say Just Say No to Petrey on October 23 to the Union presidents latest efforts to throw the people's voice out of the boardroom.
So sorry that things are not going your way!
Down in the Boro

Cincinnati, OH

#22388 Oct 15, 2012
finally wrote:
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So sorry that things are not going your way!
finally? better slow down - we've only just begun. Those down in the boro can't afford to get "lawyered up" making the case go our way--we just say "no way" to new taxes at the polls.
Where is the Money

Columbus, OH

#22389 Oct 15, 2012
I still want to know. The Coaches, including basketball, and not SYB, have been holding camps and all sorts of fundraisers, and not doing any of the associated paperwork and not properly depositing with the school treasurer, for years.

The police are supposed to be looking at the Booster. That is a different issue, although money is certainly missing there.

Where is all the sports camp and sports fundraising money? I really want an answer. Not a, " let's just let it go and fix it in the future" answer. A real answer. One that tells me WHERE IS THE MONEY?
just wondering

Springboro, OH

#22390 Oct 16, 2012
Answer wrote:
<quoted text>
The current superintendent was not "appointed."
Mr. Todd Petrey was HIRED by our Springboro Schools Board of Education "elected officials" Scott Anderson, Kelly Kohls, Don Miller, David Petroni, and Jim Rigano.
Mr. Petrey has forgotten "who works for whom" and has now APPOINTED himself "King of Petrey's Palace" and has "dubbed" the levy ladies and the union activists to radically rule alongside him over our school district taxpayers with his new pro-union levy committee, the Springboro Community Impact Team.
Our current board members, Kelly Kohls, David Petroni, Jim Rigano, Don Miller and Wendy Kull need to be reminded by school district voters to say Just Say No to Petrey on October 23 to the Union presidents latest efforts to throw the people's voice out of the boardroom.
Just checking. Yes, he was HIRED by all the people you worship. Did they actually make a mistake??? Couldn't have. I didn't think they made mistakes.
BoroFutureBright

Dayton, OH

#22391 Oct 16, 2012
Did Petry publicize this "team" he has put together in a manner that gave all parents and/or citizens equal opportunity to volunteer for it? Or did he just ask the pro union teachers who they want on it. I challenge the fairness of it and maybe the legality?
just wondering

Springboro, OH

#22392 Oct 16, 2012
BoroFutureBright wrote:
Did Petry publicize this "team" he has put together in a manner that gave all parents and/or citizens equal opportunity to volunteer for it? Or did he just ask the pro union teachers who they want on it. I challenge the fairness of it and maybe the legality?
You people on here really are funny. Anything that is done that you don't agree with - it has to be illegal!!! The superintendent is well within his rights to put together a group of people he can use as advisors. They make no policy, pass no resolutions. They are simply there on an advisory basis.

I mean, I heard that he actually went home and was talking about his day to his wife, and she offered him some advise on a matter....oh man, I wonder about the fairness and legality of that???? Geez.....
Super committee

Lebanon, OH

#22393 Oct 16, 2012
I guess it's a matter of how the Board wants the Superintendent to spend his time. I thought that his job was to run the day to day operations of the school as set out by the Mission and Vision of the Elected School Board. The board already has a mission statement. Why is the superintendent putting together advisory committees for things that not only have already been done, but also do not seem to be within the scope of his responsibilities?

If the Board thinks that the committee process that the superintendent is proposing is a waste of time, they should indicate that, and set priorities for the superintendent. It is not the BOEs job to micro-manage the day to day activities, but to direct the superintendent to devote his time to fulfill the mission and vision already laid out by the BOE, not to develop a new one.

If I were a Board Member, I would make it clear that the priorities are the students and the implementation of the new Standard Core Curriculum. Add to that the Third grade reading standard, the high school PSEO, and keeping costs down, and that should be plenty of work for the Superintendent. The superintendent is supposed to be the expert in educating children, so that is what he should be doing, not wasting time with other activities.

If unhappy people want a forum to vent and to support their own agenda that differs from the mission and vision of the elected board, they should do it without using the valuable resources (time of Superintendent and staff) of the school. If they want to set the mission and vision of the Board, run for school board, or vote for someone with the same opinion as themselves.
Listen Up

Cincinnati, OH

#22394 Oct 16, 2012
just wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
You people on here really are funny. Anything that is done that you don't agree with - it has to be illegal!!! The superintendent is well within his rights to put together a group of people he can use as advisors. They make no policy, pass no resolutions. They are simply there on an advisory basis.
I mean, I heard that he actually went home and was talking about his day to his wife, and she offered him some advise on a matter....oh man, I wonder about the fairness and legality of that???? Geez.....
The superintendent has focused on his RIGHTS to "take full advantage of board policy by demanding that he get his way on the SYB five-year contract deal pushed through, right now.
The superintendent ignored his RESPONSIBILITIES to our "community as a whole" when he refused to allow an elected board representative to sit in on the meeting with this outside organization (which is profiting by using our school facilities).

The superintended IGNORED board policy when he led his staff of school principals to "hand pick" two parents to form his District Parent Council; And the superintendent then held his first meeting with his parent "advisory team" gathering input; BEFORE the superintendent brought his ladies to the regular school board meeting for BOE approval.

These are just two instances during September meetings that the school superintendent has focused on ruling his "School Community" while ignoring the "community as a whole."

The DDN article promoting the superintendents ladies monthly meetings tried "suggesting" that Sunshine Laws prohibited attendence of the public; but it is not true that only these select ladies and one board member can attend with the superintendent. The next meeting of the superintendent and his ladies team is scheduled for October 29 and all interested community members are invited to sit in as responsible observers.

The advantage for the "interested" public to "sit in" on these meetings is learning first-hand what goes on "behind the scenes" of these levy ladies self-interest "bully" performances at the public school board meetings.
just wondering

Springboro, OH

#22395 Oct 16, 2012
Listen Up wrote:
<quoted text>
The superintendent has focused on his RIGHTS to "take full advantage of board policy by demanding that he get his way on the SYB five-year contract deal pushed through, right now.
The superintendent ignored his RESPONSIBILITIES to our "community as a whole" when he refused to allow an elected board representative to sit in on the meeting with this outside organization (which is profiting by using our school facilities).
The superintended IGNORED board policy when he led his staff of school principals to "hand pick" two parents to form his District Parent Council; And the superintendent then held his first meeting with his parent "advisory team" gathering input; BEFORE the superintendent brought his ladies to the regular school board meeting for BOE approval.
These are just two instances during September meetings that the school superintendent has focused on ruling his "School Community" while ignoring the "community as a whole."
The DDN article promoting the superintendents ladies monthly meetings tried "suggesting" that Sunshine Laws prohibited attendence of the public; but it is not true that only these select ladies and one board member can attend with the superintendent. The next meeting of the superintendent and his ladies team is scheduled for October 29 and all interested community members are invited to sit in as responsible observers.
The advantage for the "interested" public to "sit in" on these meetings is learning first-hand what goes on "behind the scenes" of these levy ladies self-interest "bully" performances at the public school board meetings.
Again, this stuff is too funny.....

Didn't know the super can DEMAND anything from a board he is employed by.....3-2 vote. You REALLY need to get over it.....

SYB is PAYING for the use of the facilities....$50,000 ring a bell?

Sunshine laws DO NOT apply to this advisory board. They are not elected. They are not paid staff of the schools. They do not set policy.......
Listen Up

Cincinnati, OH

#22396 Oct 16, 2012
just wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Just checking. Yes, he was HIRED by all the people you worship. Did they actually make a mistake??? Couldn't have. I didn't think they made mistakes.
There is NO evidence that a "mistake" has been made by the board.

There is evidence that our newly hired superintendent has mistakenly joined "union forces" with the severely misled "levy ladies" by his secretive organizing of the District Parent Council and his yet to be approved Springboro Community Impact Team.

This new Impact Team appears to be the Teachers Union and city/township union members, joining bully forces against all our community members. in the superintendents attempt to "pass a levy" or else our schools and community will be hurt.
Listen Up

Cincinnati, OH

#22397 Oct 16, 2012
just wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, this stuff is too funny.....
Didn't know the super can DEMAND anything from a board he is employed by.....3-2 vote. You REALLY need to get over it.....
SYB is PAYING for the use of the facilities....$50,000 ring a bell?
Sunshine laws DO NOT apply to this advisory board. They are not elected. They are not paid staff of the schools. They do not set policy.......
You betcha!$50,000 rings a bell! But,$80,000 due in back fees sounds louder to this district taxpayers ears!
And it was sounded loud and clear that $80,000 could have been collected from the SYB business organization IF the former school administrators had not veered away from policy by "verbally"
granting the waiver (which is against board policy).
This superintendent stated in his New Beginnings article in the local newspaper, that his administration was getting back to "board policy" practices; and many believed that meant that all "outside organizations" would be treated the same so that community members could hold our school district leaders ACCOUNTABLE to operate withing our policies and bylaws.
At last board meeting it was brought to taxpayer's attention that the Springboro Community Assistance Center is occupying several rooms in the Jonathan Wright Elementary school paying abosolutely no rent to the district. Perhaps the superintendent can make a deal with his staff member Wendy Ford and get another "donation" for our kids.
Listen Up

Cincinnati, OH

#22398 Oct 16, 2012
just wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, this stuff is too funny.....
Didn't know the super can DEMAND anything from a board he is employed by.....3-2 vote. You REALLY need to get over it.....
SYB is PAYING for the use of the facilities....$50,000 ring a bell?
Sunshine laws DO NOT apply to this advisory board. They are not elected. They are not paid staff of the schools. They do not set policy.......
It is agreed that the levy ladies "advisory board" has only ONE purpose--and that is to empower the bully babbs to "track" community members as they go about "shopping and eating out" at local businesses; so that the "official" recommendation can be brought to the school board that "district voters need to reset
their priorities to the pro-levy union first agenda!"
And the Impact Team is just a double punch from the union activists and schoolyard bullies with ONE purpose--and that is to put pressure on community members to "see the unmet needs in our school distric" because of past levy failures.
the superintendents impact team will have a financial impact on our school tax dollars with the unnecessary Community Survey; and also the expense of promoting the Levy Committee/Impact Team agenda will be funded by the school taxes; (and probably funds from the Teachers Unions) so there probably are some "legalities" to be looked at BEFORE the approval of the school board is granted to the Petrey/Maney levy committee.
just wondering

Springboro, OH

#22399 Oct 16, 2012
Listen Up wrote:
<quoted text>
You betcha!$50,000 rings a bell! But,$80,000 due in back fees sounds louder to this district taxpayers ears!
And it was sounded loud and clear that $80,000 could have been collected from the SYB business organization IF the former school administrators had not veered away from policy by "verbally"
granting the waiver (which is against board policy).
This superintendent stated in his New Beginnings article in the local newspaper, that his administration was getting back to "board policy" practices; and many believed that meant that all "outside organizations" would be treated the same so that community members could hold our school district leaders ACCOUNTABLE to operate withing our policies and bylaws.
At last board meeting it was brought to taxpayer's attention that the Springboro Community Assistance Center is occupying several rooms in the Jonathan Wright Elementary school paying abosolutely no rent to the district. Perhaps the superintendent can make a deal with his staff member Wendy Ford and get another "donation" for our kids.
And in typical fashion with the people on this board.....so what the the Assistance Center is paying no rent? Do you know what that Center does? It helps people IN NEED of basic food and services. But then again, the most vocal on here don't care about the common good. Just whatever is good for you. Go ahead attack many things, SYB, band boosters, etc., but attacking a food bank? Sad, but I really am not surpised.
just wondering

Springboro, OH

#22400 Oct 16, 2012
Listen Up wrote:
<quoted text>
You betcha!$50,000 rings a bell! But,$80,000 due in back fees sounds louder to this district taxpayers ears!
And it was sounded loud and clear that $80,000 could have been collected from the SYB business organization IF the former school administrators had not veered away from policy by "verbally"
granting the waiver (which is against board policy).
This superintendent stated in his New Beginnings article in the local newspaper, that his administration was getting back to "board policy" practices; and many believed that meant that all "outside organizations" would be treated the same so that community members could hold our school district leaders ACCOUNTABLE to operate withing our policies and bylaws.
At last board meeting it was brought to taxpayer's attention that the Springboro Community Assistance Center is occupying several rooms in the Jonathan Wright Elementary school paying abosolutely no rent to the district. Perhaps the superintendent can make a deal with his staff member Wendy Ford and get another "donation" for our kids.
And nothing about the Sunshine Law argument? Yep, just keep slinging away until something sticks. Your argument doesn't work? Move onto something else.....see what else sticks.
Not Funny

Cincinnati, OH

#22401 Oct 16, 2012
just wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, this stuff is too funny.....
Didn't know the super can DEMAND anything from a board he is employed by.....3-2 vote. You REALLY need to get over it.....
SYB is PAYING for the use of the facilities....$50,000 ring a bell?
Sunshine laws DO NOT apply to this advisory board. They are not elected. They are not paid staff of the schools. They do not set policy.......
Didn't know the super and Lisa Babb could think it so funny that the school treasurer's new software could suddenly make six million dollars disappear; and wasn't at all funny that Petrey had his "caring" community survey gal was on-the-spot ready to spread the news immediately that "we need a levy!" Not funny at all; just pathetic.
Obviously this little "skit of funny" performed at the board committe meeting was pre-planned and rehearsed for "fake budget crisis" presentation at the budget hearing meeting Tuesday night in the LGI room. Can't imagine there will be many laughs; just more of the same old bully attacks from the union forces.
finally

Cincinnati, OH

#22402 Oct 16, 2012
Super committee wrote:
I guess it's a matter of how the Board wants the Superintendent to spend his time. I thought that his job was to run the day to day operations of the school as set out by the Mission and Vision of the Elected School Board. The board already has a mission statement. Why is the superintendent putting together advisory committees for things that not only have already been done, but also do not seem to be within the scope of his responsibilities?
If the Board thinks that the committee process that the superintendent is proposing is a waste of time, they should indicate that, and set priorities for the superintendent. It is not the BOEs job to micro-manage the day to day activities, but to direct the superintendent to devote his time to fulfill the mission and vision already laid out by the BOE, not to develop a new one.
If I were a Board Member, I would make it clear that the priorities are the students and the implementation of the new Standard Core Curriculum. Add to that the Third grade reading standard, the high school PSEO, and keeping costs down, and that should be plenty of work for the Superintendent. The superintendent is supposed to be the expert in educating children, so that is what he should be doing, not wasting time with other activities.
If unhappy people want a forum to vent and to support their own agenda that differs from the mission and vision of the elected board, they should do it without using the valuable resources (time of Superintendent and staff) of the school. If they want to set the mission and vision of the Board, run for school board, or vote for someone with the same opinion as themselves.
finally. some common sense. thank you.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#22403 Oct 16, 2012
how about the glass half full view - the "super" has now allowed the bullies a soapbox for them to express their "views" with out any power and/or ability to use common sense - he has put the pressure on the bullies - produce something if you think you have a better mouse trap ( I doubt it). the theory is now like most politicos use - I will expound on your negatives and forget the fact that I have done nothing. these committees have no power - inplied or express they are a "soapbox" but like the old wendy's ad "where is the beef" they can't say we don't like the "coleslaw" because they are part of the manufacturing. Not doing something is pretty done to complain about if you are on the committee where did they state it - Sec of State Clint just fell on the sword because the exec branch just messed up - yes she is responsible but you can't tell me that she didn't send messages to president's offical group stating that the problem existed - she's not that stupid.
Super committee

Lebanon, OH

#22404 Oct 16, 2012
boroson54 wrote:
how about the glass half full view - the "super" has now allowed the bullies a soapbox for them to express their "views" with out any power and/or ability to use common sense - he has put the pressure on the bullies - produce something if you think you have a better mouse trap ( I doubt it). the theory is now like most politicos use - I will expound on your negatives and forget the fact that I have done nothing. these committees have no power - inplied or express they are a "soapbox" but like the old wendy's ad "where is the beef" they can't say we don't like the "coleslaw" because they are part of the manufacturing. Not doing something is pretty done to complain about if you are on the committee where did they state it - Sec of State Clint just fell on the sword because the exec branch just messed up - yes she is responsible but you can't tell me that she didn't send messages to president's offical group stating that the problem existed - she's not that stupid.
That makes no sense. Does everyone that disagrees with the BOE and makes enough noise about it get to be on a committee? If so, and the superintendent or his staff has to be represented on these committees, then they do not have enough to do, or they will not be able to do the job they were hired for because of these committees.

If you want to be heard, vote. Go to school board meetings. Send letter or emails to your elected officials. But don't take up valuable time that should be used for the education of our young people. This ruling by committee of loudmouths and troublemakers is not how the system is set up. If you want your opinion heard, run for office or vote for someone you agree with. Just because you are loud, doesn't mean that you are right. Just because you make a fuss and get attention, doesn't mean you have a majority of voters agreeing with you.

Think of it this way: your child is in a class with 24 other children. Two of those children are loud, obnoxious and have never been taught any manners at home. Every day, your child comes home and when you ask what they did at school, they tell you tales about how bad those two kids were, how the teacher and principal spent all day chasing one of them around the building, and then had to call the other one's parents to pick them up because they were causing such a distraction. Do you think your child learned anything in that environment? Shouldn't the teacher and the principal be spending their time educating all of the kids, not just trying to get the few troublemakers to settle down?

The two troublemakers got the attention they were seeking, and the rest got nothing. Those of us who are not whining and complaining really do not appreciate the few troublemakers (we are talking about adults now) taking time away from the education of the children, to pacify the adults who think that since they make the loudest noise, they are the majority.

These committees are wasting resources and the BOE should see through it and direct the superintendent to do the same.
just wondering

Springboro, OH

#22405 Oct 16, 2012
Super committee wrote:
<quoted text>
That makes no sense. Does everyone that disagrees with the BOE and makes enough noise about it get to be on a committee? If so, and the superintendent or his staff has to be represented on these committees, then they do not have enough to do, or they will not be able to do the job they were hired for because of these committees.
If you want to be heard, vote. Go to school board meetings. Send letter or emails to your elected officials. But don't take up valuable time that should be used for the education of our young people. This ruling by committee of loudmouths and troublemakers is not how the system is set up. If you want your opinion heard, run for office or vote for someone you agree with. Just because you are loud, doesn't mean that you are right. Just because you make a fuss and get attention, doesn't mean you have a majority of voters agreeing with you.
Think of it this way: your child is in a class with 24 other children. Two of those children are loud, obnoxious and have never been taught any manners at home. Every day, your child comes home and when you ask what they did at school, they tell you tales about how bad those two kids were, how the teacher and principal spent all day chasing one of them around the building, and then had to call the other one's parents to pick them up because they were causing such a distraction. Do you think your child learned anything in that environment? Shouldn't the teacher and the principal be spending their time educating all of the kids, not just trying to get the few troublemakers to settle down?
The two troublemakers got the attention they were seeking, and the rest got nothing. Those of us who are not whining and complaining really do not appreciate the few troublemakers (we are talking about adults now) taking time away from the education of the children, to pacify the adults who think that since they make the loudest noise, they are the majority.
These committees are wasting resources and the BOE should see through it and direct the superintendent to do the same.
What resources are being wasted by these committees?

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