New Dayton chief wants staff retention

Apr 6, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Community Press & Recorder

New Dayton chief wants staff retention Comments Mark Antrobus has been named chief of the Dayton Police department.

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Undercover Brother

Erlanger, KY

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Apr 7, 2011
 

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AntroBUST wow are you serious?
theinfoguy

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Apr 7, 2011
 
Undercover Brother...your a freaking cancer to law enforcement. stop violating your policy manual in case you havent read it. Let your Chief know your on here. Citizens this is your Law Enforcement Officers your Department has hired. Isnt it great that Officers of your community are on here whining and complaining about each other? Instead of doing their job of upholding the law they are violating Policy and stating "facts" about other Officers. Unlike you "Brother" when i can identify you rest assured i will do everything i can to charge and have you charged with the violations you are committing.
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Louisville, KY

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Apr 28, 2011
 
What policy am I violating? And what can you charge me with? Im curious? I haven't saw a charge Dayton PD stick they have put on anyone yet. And Im so glad you think Im a Law Enforcement Officer, do you think no one knows Mark's history other than LEO?
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Erlanger, KY

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Apr 28, 2011
 
Jim Werner is a great man, and a good Police Chief.
All I can say to this choice is WOW WOW WOW, Maybe the mayor needs to be replaced.
Keep on keeping on undercover brother
TaxPayer

Independence, KY

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Jun 15, 2011
 
Well so far the new Chief hasn't done a thing keeping night patrol in the City instead of having the Officers hanging out during the night at the Bellevue UDF flirting with the workers, maybe they should stay in Dayton doing their job they get paid to do.
Someone who knows

Loveland, OH

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Jun 15, 2011
 
Having officers take stationary positions are done form many reasons. Sticking them in points around the city; so that they can respond quickly is nothing new. Where this might look bad to the public, the public are not tasked with the strategy of combating crime and saving costs at the same time. As for flirting, who in any job does not flirt from time-to-time, that's nothing new? To gauge a Chief's performance, you have to have facts not speculation or outside shallow observations. You want to know what kind of job someone does, you have to know what that job is and what constraints have been placed on it by council and the mayor. He might just be following orders. If you have ever been a Chief of Police, you would know that it usually takes a couple of years to establish rapport with officers, administration, and the public. Dayton has had a poor history of running through Police Chiefs and many have been good men. Jim Werner is no exception. Explain how he manage to work in Cincinnati all those years in a similar environment like over the Rhine, but in Dayton he only lasts a few years. Itís hard to understand the complexity of any given city and what their expectations are of any police department. Factors like politics, personal influences and public opinion are all things that must be considered when attempting to gauge performance and how many here have a clue what any of them might be? I live here and I have no clue on any of them. So, give the man a chance and you might be surprised as to what the outcome might be. It is easy to judge from the outside, but when you are the inside, things can appear much different. So, rather than criticize, observe and make suggestions though proper channels in hopes that things change for the better; would be my opinion and advice. Mark is new and a learning curve will make his abilities better as time moves forward; as it always does. Short of committing a crime or major transgression, Mark is the one who will be held accountable in the end, not concerned with meaningless chatter on this stupid site. When you consider that his officers are all looking to advance and that might be as simple as seeing Mark fail, why not push that agenda while he is new? If his department would get behind him and give their honest effort, there is little doubt to me that they and he will succeed. Real leadership comes from a loyal following, so selfish underlings that want his pins for their own reasons; which are usually based in self power, not the greater good of the community anyway. If they truly realized that most administrators see the department as one group, when the top fails it stains everybody so why would administration move someone who was there in Mark's place if he does fail. Usually they seek an outside replacement, so if I were one of them, I would ensure that together we succeed in stead of chancing a replacement from the outside. That just means no internal movement for anybody and when you shit on a rug, after the cleaning, the stain and smell are still stapled to it; so even if you get the top, you are still left with the shit you produced before. Therefore, these comments will have little effect on any of this, so why make them in the first place; as they are a waste of time. Do you job, support your chief, and be loyal to the city and department. Success is just around the corner for everybody in case you donít know that.
TaxPayer

Independence, KY

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Jun 15, 2011
 
"Do you job, support your chief, and be loyal to the city and department"

Those were your words in that endless rant, and that's my point!
yeahok

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Jun 15, 2011
 
"Someone who knows". Thanks Tony for your wise words again. What about Weisner? AntroBUS didnt want him there and forced him out. How come its an entire new Dept once again every 3-4 yrs?
Someone who knows

Loveland, OH

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Jun 16, 2011
 
TaxPayer wrote:
"Do you job, support your chief, and be loyal to the city and department"
Those were your words in that endless rant, and that's my point!
Glad you got the point. What, is reading a handicap because of its length. Feel free to disregard as much as you need to. See, that wasn't so hard, or maybe it was...you decide for yourself.
Someone who knows

Loveland, OH

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Jun 16, 2011
 
yeahok wrote:
"Someone who knows". Thanks Tony for your wise words again. What about Weisner? AntroBUS didnt want him there and forced him out. How come its an entire new Dept once again every 3-4 yrs?
My name is not Tony, its John. And you have to ask them why the change over or turnover. My observation are but one opinion, but as I live across the river from Dayton, I only get bits and pieces of things. Jim was my friend and was a good officer. I think Dayton did him dirty, but that is what they do. Good luck to Mark, I dont know him, but he should prepare to be replaced now, because no chief has lasted any length of time there. Thanks for the complement, my words are just observatioins of mine.
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Jun 16, 2011
 

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UDF is in Bellevue, and our management is getting tired of DPD being in our stores flirting. Mark Antrobust made a huge mistake taking a Chief's position so early in his career. Dayton is known as the worst Police Department in Campbell County. I see they hired another guy as big as Tony Baldwin. Hell they should hire Hawks back, he knew how to solve crime by committing them. DPD is the laughing stock of Police Officers, and will be until you guys vote in a real Mayor and Council.

Top 10 worst Department in the area:

1: Dayton

2:Ludlow
3:Wilder
4:Campbell County PD
5:Ft Thomas
6:HHSPA
7:Erlanger
8:Florence
9:Bellevue
10:Park Hills
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That was Classic about Hawks. That man can't sit still for longer than a couple years before he wants to go somewhere else. You know whats funny, he has or is working for 4 out fo your 10 list.
Someone who knows

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Jun 16, 2011
 
UDF Girl wrote:
UDF is in Bellevue, and our management is getting tired of DPD being in our stores flirting. Mark Antrobust made a huge mistake taking a Chief's position so early in his career. Dayton is known as the worst Police Department in Campbell County. I see they hired another guy as big as Tony Baldwin. Hell they should hire Hawks back, he knew how to solve crime by committing them. DPD is the laughing stock of Police Officers, and will be until you guys vote in a real Mayor and Council.
Top 10 worst Department in the area:
1: Dayton
2:Ludlow
3:Wilder
4:Campbell County PD
5:Ft Thomas
6:HHSPA
7:Erlanger
8:Florence
9:Bellevue
10:Park Hills
Totally disagree with list and its order. How did you come to it and for what reasons?
Nobody to choose from

Loveland, OH

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Case you dont know, mayor and council come from Dayton Residents, therefore to get quality people, you would have to go elsewhere. I notice you chose employment there but are now crying about it though downing police officers, the police department, and surrounding agencies. You sound like a complainer girl or one who lacks attention the cops are giving to others at Bellevue UDF. Loose some weight, comb your hair, fix your remaining teeth, and maybe they might flirt with you too. This will save you the trouble of judging every police department in Campbell, Kenton, and Boone Counies to feel better.
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UDF is in Bellevue, and our management is getting tired of DPD being in our stores flirting. Mark Antrobust made a huge mistake taking a Chief's position so early in his career. Dayton is known as the worst Police Department in Campbell County. I see they hired another guy as big as Tony Baldwin. Hell they should hire Hawks back, he knew how to solve crime by committing them. DPD is the laughing stock of Police Officers, and will be until you guys vote in a real Mayor and Council.
Top 10 worst Department in the area:
1: Dayton
2:Ludlow
3:Wilder
4:Campbell County PD
5:Ft Thomas
6:HHSPA
7:Erlanger
8:Florence
9:Bellevue
10:Park Hills
UDF Girl

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Jun 16, 2011
 
Someone who knows wrote:
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Totally disagree with list and its order. How did you come to it and for what reasons?


OK switch Wilder with Ludlow! Sorry! You have to have a college education to police there. Or should I say a college education to be a traffic cop! And it's still a LEO's last resort. But Dayton is purely horrible!
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Aug 4, 2011
 
I have seen both Bellevue and Dayton officers in UDF at night and none of the girls working seem to have any problem with the boys in blue being there. There really isnt anyone working at UDF that is worth the flirting so maybe they should just take it as a compliment. As far as the quality of the department... they have come a long way and have some really competent personnel these days. I am not a fan of Antrobus, but cut him some slack. He is not going to turn around years of damage overnight.
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Loveland, OH

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Aug 5, 2011
 
Stick to serving ice cream or something you are good at. Judging police departments arbitrarily for whatever reason has little to do with Dayton, their new police chief, how they operate, or UDF employees that think they know more than they really do. Wilder does require a college degree to work there; which is unique in this county. Higher standards mean better cops and by the turn over rate there, which is almost zero, which should be some indication of a departmentís stature. Since Wilder was founded in the thirties, they have only had four police chiefs [e.g., Schindler, Eason, Strange, and Rouse]. Rouse has been there for the past twelve years. Until Dayton can break their record of keeping a chief beyond a couple of years, I would not even begin to compare them to Wilder. Dayton neither requires a college degree nor has any record of retention to speak of. Why I am explaining this to someone who also does not have a college degree is futile I know, but it's hard not to throw back BS when you hear it.
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OK switch Wilder with Ludlow! Sorry! You have to have a college education to police there. Or should I say a college education to be a traffic cop! And it's still a LEO's last resort. But Dayton is purely horrible!
Not a clue

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Aug 5, 2011
 
Lastly, the new chief of Ludlow is a former Ft. Thomas lieutenant with a college degree and a lieutenant colonel in the Air Force. They too seem to have much higher standards than Dayton so to be compared with them, Wilder should be proud if your ramblings are even somewhat correct; which they are not. Like I said above, stick to serving ice cream and leave police work up to policeman. If I need a cop I will dial 911. If I need a gallon of milk, I'll call you.
HUGGBEAR

Cincinnati, OH

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Feb 9, 2012
 
yeahok wrote:
"Someone who knows". Thanks Tony for your wise words again. What about Weisner? AntroBUS didnt want him there and forced him out. How come its an entire new Dept once again every 3-4 yrs?
I agree with you , I had heard that the chief wanted Weisner out and he got what he wanted.. and then in the council meeting he says 911 calls are up 2000 from last year.. what the hell.. and then the city manager says it is because of better reporting by the new chief.. how stupid is that.
Light At End Of Tunel

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Feb 11, 2013
 
After all the dust has cleared here is what is left.
Chief takes demotion to Captain because job is too much for him.
Ex-Chief, now Captain, agrees to resign due to investigation that he is having sex on duty with a minor who alleges rape.
City allows Captin to resign instead of prosecuting to avoid messy media problem and avoid negative impression of city.
City gives 3 months paid medical if he resigns instead of fighting a possible dismissal and criminal charges.
Who is going to ask City Clowncil what happened and hold Mayor and Administrator responsible for officer's actions.Currennt Chief handled investigation. Maybe someone should insist on his take of situtation.
So much for "Staff Retention"!

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