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Teachers in public school who have their children in private school

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Monkeybread

Ellijay, GA

#1 Jan 18, 2013
Why is it that we have teachers and staff of Gilmer County B.O.E. that have their children in private school or they are homeschooling their children. If their children aren't good enough for public school then I feel that they don't need to be working for our public schools. It's just a slap in the face to the public school from the teachers who don't send their children to public school. Is the teaching not good enough for your children but yet you work and teach yourself and take the money from the public systems. I think our B.O.E. should require that if you teach for the public system then your children should also attend public school. I understand if your child needs a special school or something like that but because you don't want your children to associate with public school children and not be exposed to "public" school children then you don't need to be taking our tax money to teach at "public" school, maybe you need to go work for a private school yourself.
Boo Bear

Ellijay, GA

#2 Jan 18, 2013
Monkeybread, this is an idea that is exactly correct.Alot of people have not heard of this until you have brought it up.I have had employees of the school system bring this up.This needs to be brought before the "new" BOE.Also, why does the BOE continue to hire/promote people from outside the system when positions are to be filled?
Optimist

Ellijay, GA

#3 Jan 18, 2013
I disagree.

We can't punish the children of public educators by making them attend sub-standard public schools.

That would be like forcing the children of custodians who clean up filthy public toilets, to have to use those filthy public toilets.

The immorality of public education lies in the fact that they can arbitrarily award themselves outrageous salaries and benefits, thereby impoverishing their fellow citizens.

But once they've been awarded,$50K,$60K,$80 $100,$200K,$300K salaries, PLUS BENEFITS, for a half years work, they should be free to improve their OWN children's education as they see fit.

Since: Jul 08

Ellijay, GA

#4 Jan 18, 2013
Optimist wrote:
I disagree.
We can't punish the children of public educators by making them attend sub-standard public schools.
That would be like forcing the children of custodians who clean up filthy public toilets, to have to use those filthy public toilets.
The immorality of public education lies in the fact that they can arbitrarily award themselves outrageous salaries and benefits, thereby impoverishing their fellow citizens.
But once they've been awarded,$50K,$60K,$80 $100,$200K,$300K salaries, PLUS BENEFITS, for a half years work, they should be free to improve their OWN children's education as they see fit.
Are you saying that teachers know the education at the public school is substandard even though they are the ones teaching the dumbed down curriculum etc. and some of them want a better education for their own kids so they either home school or send to NGCA or a private school???
Tads

Ellijay, GA

#5 Jan 18, 2013
ABSOLUTELY, procon they know and they also know they have no control over what they teach or how they teach. That is all mandated from the State and Central Office, guidelines are set to pass a test not educate the student like when we were in school (that's why they do at private schools)!
todo42

Ellijay, GA

#6 Jan 18, 2013
oh, absolutely! But you cannot blame the teachers, they teach what they are told to teach. The teachers are being smart when they send their children to a better school. And if they want to continue supporting their families, they will teach whatever curriculum the state chooses.

Honestly, this should not be new to you, but would be more obvious if our newspaper would be more open about the good-ol' buddy system that keeps "corruption" at a minimum (to the eye, that is)

Can you name one institution that has preserved the reason why it was established?

Media Outlets destroy free speech, Department of Education destroys true education

"True education is limited to those people who would die without knowing, whereas the masses in the institutions are merely going through the motions, for education is a way of living." --Bryant H. McGill

"Modern medicine is a negation of health. It isn’t organised to serve human health, but only itself, as an institution. It makes more people sick than it heals." --Medical Nemesis (1976)
Whatsup

Ellijay, GA

#7 Jan 18, 2013
y'all have got this all wrong!!! The only other segment of society that I here bad mouthing themselves other than "the poor old farmers" is the "poor old teachers"
They cannot possibly send their kids to a private school because to hear them tell it most of them are one check from being on food stamps.
Although the starting pay for teachers is $31,586 -$48,213 depending on degree and for three years service it goes to $46,384 -$72,530.
Not saying teachers are underpaid and certainly not alluding that they are overpaid, but it ain't bad.
Amen corner

Talladega, AL

#8 Jan 18, 2013
Amen! And if you are on the board of a private school and your wife is a public school teacher and your kids go to private school.. There is a problem... There's more than a problem!
Booker T

Ellijay, GA

#9 Jan 18, 2013
Whatsup wrote:
y'all have got this all wrong!!! The only other segment of society that I here bad mouthing themselves other than "the poor old farmers" is the "poor old teachers"
They cannot possibly send their kids to a private school because to hear them tell it most of them are one check from being on food stamps.
Although the starting pay for teachers is $31,586 -$48,213 depending on degree and for three years service it goes to $46,384 -$72,530.
Not saying teachers are underpaid and certainly not alluding that they are overpaid, but it ain't bad.
Starting pay for a 3 year teacher is 32,534.00(lowest certification level)- 49,659.00(Doctorate). The numbers you posted on a 3 year teacher is really the pay of a 21+ year teacher with 46,384(lowest level of certification) and 72,530(Doctorate).

http://www.doe.k12.ga.us/Finance-and-Business...
Optimist

Ellijay, GA

#10 Jan 18, 2013
procon1 wrote:
Are you saying that teachers know the education at the public school is substandard even though they are the ones teaching the dumbed down curriculum etc. and some of them want a better education for their own kids so they either home school or send to NGCA or a private school???
That's EXACTLY what I'm saying.

Public education enforces Standardized Mediocrity.
"No Child Shall Get Ahead".

Our Superintendent has turned down Charter schools THREE TIMES.
He will not allow any alternative to HIS system. Period.

This is a battle, conducted BY adults, FOR adults, over $30 MILLION DOLLARS.

The kids are collateral damage in this battle.

Public education is like a sewage treatment plant, where the turds are an unwanted but necessary element to give the excuse that the workers/management/administrat ors actually perform some function.

The difference being, that the children are NOT turds, but rather are the next generation of citizens who are morally entitled to THEIR shot at a decent life.

That's why public educators place their OWN kids in private and home schools.


Optimist

Ellijay, GA

#11 Jan 18, 2013
Booker T wrote:
Starting pay for a 3 year teacher is 32,534.00(lowest certification level)- 49,659.00(Doctorate). The numbers you posted on a 3 year teacher is really the pay of a 21+ year teacher with 46,384(lowest level of certification) and 72,530(Doctorate).
Average per capita income for Gilmer County is $20,624 according to the US Census. That's not enough to feed a child, let alone send them to private school.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/13/13...

Booker T

Ellijay, GA

#12 Jan 18, 2013
Optimist wrote:
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Average per capita income for Gilmer County is $20,624 according to the US Census. That's not enough to feed a child, let alone send them to private school.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/13/13...
So that proves that most teachers can not afford to send their children to private schools.
Booker T

Ellijay, GA

#13 Jan 18, 2013
That was supposed to have a ? at the end. Sorry.
Educate the Students

Ellijay, GA

#14 Jan 19, 2013
To start with, yes, the Gilmer County School Systems are substandard. They have all this money spent on all these sports teams, but they don't have BOOKS for the students to learn from. If you have a special-needs child, you BETTER know your child's rights as outlined by the GA BOE (available online).
If you have a special needs child, you can receive funds to apply towards tuition for a private school that can better meet your child's needs.
Gilmer County gets SIGNIFICANT extra funds for every student that has an Independent Education Plan (for special needs kids) but I'd certainly like to know what they do with it! Also, there are MANY special needs kids with Aspergers, mental disorders, behavioral disorders, learning disorders, etc., and ALL of these have IEPs. BY LAW, you can request a person to assist your child 1:1 if they meet the criteria, but they REFUSE to provide the parapros unless the parent threatens legal action.
How are children supposed to learn without textbooks to read/study from?
But you better bet the sports team gets all the funding it needs!!
Tads

Ellijay, GA

#15 Jan 19, 2013
Educate - I agree with most of your statement with exception of a bunch of money on the sports teams. Where do they spend and what have they down that makes you make such a statement?
Truth

Ellijay, GA

#16 Jan 19, 2013
Educate the Students wrote:
To start with, yes, the Gilmer County School Systems are substandard. They have all this money spent on all these sports teams, but they don't have BOOKS for the students to learn from. If you have a special-needs child, you BETTER know your child's rights as outlined by the GA BOE (available online).
If you have a special needs child, you can receive funds to apply towards tuition for a private school that can better meet your child's needs.
Gilmer County gets SIGNIFICANT extra funds for every student that has an Independent Education Plan (for special needs kids) but I'd certainly like to know what they do with it! Also, there are MANY special needs kids with Aspergers, mental disorders, behavioral disorders, learning disorders, etc., and ALL of these have IEPs. BY LAW, you can request a person to assist your child 1:1 if they meet the criteria, but they REFUSE to provide the parapros unless the parent threatens legal action.
How are children supposed to learn without textbooks to read/study from?
But you better bet the sports team gets all the funding it needs!!
It would not matter if the students had new books to use and take home, because the majority of them will not do the required work. The students can not even complete an open book test for a passing grade. The majority just do not care.

Since: Jul 08

Ellijay, GA

#17 Jan 19, 2013
Truth wrote:
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It would not matter if the students had new books to use and take home, because the majority of them will not do the required work. The students can not even complete an open book test for a passing grade. The majority just do not care.
I don't agree with you. Yeah, by the time they are in fifth, sixth or seventh grade and can't keep up, of course they don't care and don't bother. If you can't understand the work, how are you supposed to do it? And what is a seventh grade teacher supposed to do with kids that read at 3rd grade level or never really passed third grade geography or history or science or math? The seventh grade teacher can't do remedial teaching for half the class.

Remember, after we closed Oakland and put so many kids in one elementary school, our Board of Education nor our Superintendent did anything to provide extra parapros, volunteers or materials or after school classes to help the kids adjust to the long bus rides, larger classes and much larger school.

The kids also share textbooks and are not permitted to take them home in most classes and subjects. They are given time to do homework in class at the end of each period, in most cases. However, giving them time to do homework in class further reduces the actual instruction time by the teacher. And, since we combined the schools, and at the same time reduced the number of days of instruction by 10 whole school days, and quit issuing textbooks to each child, our third and fourth graders have sunk to being 173rd out of 181 school districts in the state of Georgia. Keep in mind, the curriculum and test scores in Georgia were already just about the lowest in the nation. Gilmer used to be in the top third in Georgia.

So, the people we had elected to look after the education of our children in Gilmer County did not have a single meeting to address this. Hopefully our new board will set different priorities. But if we don't keep the kids on grade level at 1st, second and third grade, they do not have a chance in the higher grades. We need to redirect our resources to the elementary schools, whatever it takes. And just because we can pass a bunch of CRCT tests after we spend from Jan. to April cramming the sample test questions down their throat, is not teaching.
Optimist

Ellijay, GA

#18 Jan 19, 2013
Truth wrote:
It would not matter if the students had new books to use and take home, because the majority of them will not do the required work. The students can not even complete an open book test for a passing grade. The majority just do not care.
Why would the students possibly care?

- They know they're doomed.

- They know they've been sold out.

- They know they're the victims of an elaborate government make-work project for public educators.

- They know the schools have a huge incentive to declare them as mentally ill, to get additional money from the government.

- They will soon learn that due to recent Presidential proclamations, every student diagnosed with one of these bogus "disorders" will lose the right to defend themselves for the rest of their lives.

- They know that the government mandated "required work" has no bearing whatsoever on their intellectual enlightenment, or their ability to ever become productive or happy citizens.

- They know that those endless tests don't measure THEIR progress.

- They know those tests measure the ability of the educators to push a worthless curriculum of social indoctrination down the throats of a student body that is bored out of their collective minds.

- They know that if by sheer luck, some people in the community actually cared enough about them to work FOR YEARS trying to provide them a better alternative education, that the Public Educators would dash those hopes, not once, not twice, but three times, to ensure that the money gravy train continued to flow into THEIR pockets.

- They've seen their friends, arrested, convicted, end up with criminal records, and their lives ruined for stealing a $20 CD.

- And they've wondered why nobody has to account for $50,000 pissed away on two phone calls.

These are a few of the reasons why the kids no longer care.
Educate the Students

Ellijay, GA

#19 Jan 20, 2013
Tads wrote:
Educate - I agree with most of your statement with exception of a bunch of money on the sports teams. Where do they spend and what have they down that makes you make such a statement?
TAKE A LOOK!! What do Gilmer County Schools do more of than anything else, including educate? SPORTS!! You've got soccer, football, basketball, WRESTLING, track, FISHING club, you name it!!
Look at the salaries for all the coaches!! Some of them make $100K and more!! COUNT the number of coaches and do the math!!
Yet, they can't provide books for the students? They can't provide extra help for the kids they get $1700 (last figure I saw) EXTRA for per student per year? You tell ME where the money is going!!
Even the guidance counselors that USED to be good and helpful are so overworked that THEY aren't able to help the kids like they used to.
There is an overabundance of special-needs kids in this county, and many people living below poverty levels, and many parents aren't educated about the rights of these kids and what their rights are, so yes, they get discouraged and give up, and who can blame them?
Gilmer needs to concentrate more on EDUCATING the students than sports. Once they get the educating part right, then focus on the sports more. They can hire THREE teachers in place of one of the coaches making huge bucks.......think about it!!
Truth

Ellijay, GA

#20 Jan 20, 2013
procon1 wrote:
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I don't agree with you. Yeah, by the time they are in fifth, sixth or seventh grade and can't keep up, of course they don't care and don't bother.
That attitude is rampant in this generation of kids, and it exactly why they fall behind in school.
procon1 wrote:
<quoted text>If you can't understand the work, how are you supposed to do it? And what is a seventh grade teacher supposed to do with kids that read at 3rd grade level or never really passed third grade geography or history or science or math? The seventh grade teacher can't do remedial teaching for half the class.
A 7th grade teacher can help a student with a 3rd grade reading level by having the student learn site words, and by periodically having one on one read alouds with the student. This process can increase the students reading level as much as 2 years during a single school year. As sad as it sounds, a student with just a 3rd grade level can manage to graduate from high school.
procon1 wrote:
<quoted text>Remember, after we closed Oakland and put so many kids in one elementary school, our Board of Education nor our Superintendent did anything to provide extra parapros, volunteers or materials or after school classes to help the kids adjust to the long bus rides, larger classes and much larger school.
How many more kids do you think are there now?

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