Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,411

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

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#184441 Mar 25, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
When the people arguing in favor of Proposition 8 had their days in court, they had the opportunity to bring experts indicating that homosexual relationships would have a negative impact on the family. Their experts COULD NOT prove this to Judge Walker's satisfaction.
When the 3 person appellate court heard their arguments, they also did not find in favor of the supporters of Proposition 8.
So, not even the best experts you guys could muster up were able to convince 4 federally appointed judges that homosexual relationships would have a negative impact on the family.
What makes you think that you could do better than them? What makes you believe you know more about the law? What makes you think you know more about same-sex relationships than them?
Judge Walker excluded evidence and witnesses; that's why he misruled. The US Supreme Court has reviewed a state's right to redefine marriage as one man and one woman in Baker v Nelson; that stands as precedent.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#184442 Mar 25, 2013
Big D wrote:
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for now... if DOMA falls, any challenge to the states that ban them will be easily overturned on constitutional grounds
You are on the wrong side of right and wrong, and certainly on the wrong side of history
Time will tell as to whether or not I'm on the "wrong see side of history" or not. History may ultimately vindicate those who oppose SSM by proving it, as it did with "no fault' divorce, a bad idea.

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#184443 Mar 25, 2013
endocannabanoid system wrote:
'perfectly intergrated" really??
Marriage as one man and one woman is integrated, same sex marriage is gender segregated.

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endocannabanoid system wrote:
last time i checked, the divorce rate among straights was WAY higher than that for same sex couples.
Same sex marriage is so novel, there are no reliable statistics. Anecdotal evidence shows, one of the couples that first sued Massachusetts for same sex marriage has already divorced.

Divorce maintains consent in marriage; same sex marriage supporters don't understand that fact. If same sex marriage becomes legal, consent will be the next target for the left.

If you value consent, keep marriage one man and one woman.

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endocannabanoid system wrote:
and somehow I doubt you are for
"diversity" in marraige.
Male/female marriage is gender diverse while same sex marriage brings a new standard of gender apartheid to marriage.

“"It's Only Your Opinion"”

Since: Nov 11

Hollywood California

#184444 Mar 25, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Judge Walker excluded evidence and witnesses; that's why he misruled. The US Supreme Court has reviewed a state's right to redefine marriage as one man and one woman in Baker v Nelson; that stands as precedent.
No he didn't you are a liar! Try again,I've read the transcripts meny times and he did NO such thing! Try again bumper sticker boy! What are you going to do when the Supreme court upholds Judge Walkers decision and also the 9th circuit higher courts decision and DOMA also gets overturned? More whining perhaps? I'm betting you haven't even read the transcripts have you?

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#184445 Mar 25, 2013
endocannabanoid system wrote:
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last time i checked, the divorce rate among straights was WAY higher than that for same sex couples.
Which demonstrates "straights" no longer take marriage seriously as they did not too long ago. If they did, would SSM be legal, or a consideration at all? Time will tell whether or not married SSCs will continue to experience lower divorce/dissolution rates than "straights".

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#184446 Mar 25, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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Bottom line, heterosexual intercourse and homosexual intercourse are both legal acts in the U.S. This makes them equal in the eyes of the law.
"Bottom line"? Pun intended? Simply because they occur does not mean they are equal. Would "homosexual intercourse" constitute "consummation" of the marital relationship?
Some Never Came Home

Beacon, NY

#184447 Mar 25, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Marriage as one man and one woman is integrated, same sex marriage is gender segregated.
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<quoted text>Same sex marriage is so novel, there are no reliable statistics. Anecdotal evidence shows, one of the couples that first sued Massachusetts for same sex marriage has already divorced.
Divorce maintains consent in marriage; same sex marriage supporters don't understand that fact. If same sex marriage becomes legal, consent will be the next target for the left.
If you value consent, keep marriage one man and one woman.
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<quoted text>Male/female marriage is gender diverse while same sex marriage brings a new standard of gender apartheid to marriage.
If you value Freedom and equality and fairness for all Americans,uphold the unconstitutionality of Prop rightfully rightfully so! 9 states now and D.C. and counting! 3 of those states by popular vote in the last election! 10 years in Massachusetts now and LO and behold not a damn thing has changed marriage wise,other than same sex marriages having a lower divorce rate than heteros! You're bigotry is in fact taking it's last dying gasp so enjoy it while you can!

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#184448 Mar 25, 2013
Some Never Came Home wrote:
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If you value Freedom and equality and fairness for all Americans,uphold the unconstitutionality of Prop rightfully rightfully so! 9 states now and D.C. and counting! 3 of those states by popular vote in the last election! 10 years in Massachusetts now and LO and behold not a damn thing has changed marriage wise,other than same sex marriages having a lower divorce rate than heteros! You're bigotry is in fact taking it's last dying gasp so enjoy it while you can!
Absolutely.....freedom....fair ness....equality for all....polygamist families too.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#184450 Mar 25, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Which demonstrates "straights" no longer take marriage seriously as they did not too long ago. If they did, would SSM be legal, or a consideration at all? Time will tell whether or not married SSCs will continue to experience lower divorce/dissolution rates than "straights".
You donít take it more seriously

We do, being forced to stay in a bad marriage is not the key to saving marriage but to belittling it

Staying in a marriage because you are in a good marriage strengthens it

we will see, very shortly, although in truth, we have already seen, more and more states and nations are recognizing gay marriage
christina remzy

United States

#184451 Mar 25, 2013
It does not matter to me gays and lesbos should be happy like any person I'm not going to be gay just because they pass that law I'm happy the way I'm
Big D

Modesto, CA

#184452 Mar 25, 2013
christina remzy wrote:
It does not matter to me gays and lesbos should be happy like any person I'm not going to be gay just because they pass that law I'm happy the way I'm
So am I, but many of the people here can only be happy if they make other people unhappy.

That is thier goal
Big D

Modesto, CA

#184453 Mar 25, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Judge Walker excluded evidence and witnesses; that's why he misruled. The US Supreme Court has reviewed a state's right to redefine marriage as one man and one woman in Baker v Nelson; that stands as precedent.
Donít worry it was appealed, and they agreed with Judge Walker, and now it is at the Supreme court ( and they too will agree with Judge Walker )

he is not the only judge to review the case, there will be over a dozen of them reviewing the case.

so far most of the judges dont think he misjudged, and your opinion doenst really matter
Bachman four Prezdent

Sonoma, CA

#184454 Mar 25, 2013
Big D wrote:
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So am I, but many of the people here can only be happy if they make other people unhappy.
That is thier goal
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People are quoting Michelle as saying that they all should be deported and that deportation would be appropriately billed to the aliens, abortionists, left wings or other undesirables on the list so then the deportations would become a national industry and create jobs, identifying, rounding up, holding in tank, shipping out and other stuff like feeding and clothing and waste water treatment, and entertainment squads. Sounds a real big job but she says that the money would be used to buy arms so that everyone, young and old and in between would be carrying and then we would not take no crap and there would be peace and the jobcreators could relax and not get mad and fire folks who have been there for eighteen years.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#184455 Mar 25, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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More BS gay twirl lies.
The latest science says homosexuality is a epi-marker mistake.
Moreover, the most intimate imitation of natural sex, anal sex, is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning. I've posted that fact from a gay friendly medical site many times if someone doesn't have the common sense to know the anus is not a vagina.
Could be just a couple reasons why it's so hard for every culture in all of human history to get...
Snicker.
Forgetting for the moment whether anal sex is healthy or not, I ask you why it is that you, and others like you, seem to fixate only on anal sex. Are you aware that there are many gays who do not participate in that particular sexual practice? And there are those of that group who have long-term relationships that rival many heterosexual marriages? And would you say that heterosexuals who practice it are endangering their marriage? Since it is a legal sexual practice, what possible connection could it have on the subject of Marriage Equality?
Big D

Modesto, CA

#184456 Mar 25, 2013
Bachman four Prezdent wrote:
<quoted text>
`
People are quoting Michelle as saying that they all should be deported and that deportation would be appropriately billed to the aliens, abortionists, left wings or other undesirables on the list so then the deportations would become a national industry and create jobs, identifying, rounding up, holding in tank, shipping out and other stuff like feeding and clothing and waste water treatment, and entertainment squads. Sounds a real big job but she says that the money would be used to buy arms so that everyone, young and old and in between would be carrying and then we would not take no crap and there would be peace and the jobcreators could relax and not get mad and fire folks who have been there for eighteen years.
It has also been suggested that the far right immigrate to Afghanistan and join the Taliban

Religion is mandated, everyone has a gun, social customs are law upon pain of death, just as they like it

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#184457 Mar 25, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Judge Walker excluded evidence and witnesses; that's why he misruled. The US Supreme Court has reviewed a state's right to redefine marriage as one man and one woman in Baker v Nelson; that stands as precedent.
It's my understanding that Baker v Nelson dealt with "federal laws" concerning same-sex marriage. The Prop. 8 decision dealt with California's STATE constitution--not the U.S Constitution.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#184458 Mar 25, 2013
Big D wrote:
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It has also been suggested that the far right immigrate to Afghanistan and join the Taliban
It has been suggested that the far left emigrate to North Korea and join the Communists.
Religion is mandated, everyone has a gun, social customs are law upon pain of death, just as they like it
Atheism is mandated, no one has s gun, social customs are all the same, everyone is "comrade", no dissent is allowed upon pain of "reeducation" or death.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#184459 Mar 25, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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"Bottom line"? Pun intended? Simply because they occur does not mean they are equal. Would "homosexual intercourse" constitute "consummation" of the marital relationship?
From a legal standpoint, since both acts are legal expressions of sexuality, then they are equal.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#184460 Mar 25, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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It has been suggested that the far left emigrate to North Korea and join the Communists.
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Atheism is mandated, no one has s gun, social customs are all the same, everyone is "comrade", no dissent is allowed upon pain of "reeducation" or death.
I donít want Atheism mandated, I want freedom for both those that believe in one of the billions of Gods man has dreamed up or not as they choose. Dissent is a good thing not a bad thing.

Nope not the place for me

but you really should check out the Taliban... you would fit right in

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#184461 Mar 25, 2013
Big D wrote:
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You donít take it more seriously
If I didn't I wouldn't be married.

[QUOTE[
We do, being forced to stay in a bad marriage is not the key to saving marriage but to belittling it
[/QUOTE]

We do as well, being allowed to end a marriage because of "no fault" is the key to undermining marriage, not strenghtening it.
Staying in a marriage because you are in a good marriage strengthens it
Staying in a marriage because it is overall good, but may be experiencing temporary challenges, strengthens it, and demonstrates both husband and wife take their vow seriously.
we will see, very shortly, although in truth, we have already seen, more and more states and nations are recognizing gay marriage
Recognition does not mean, in the long run, legal SSM is, or will be, a good idea.

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