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cwi530

Sacramento, CA

#3 Nov 2, 2012
Joe Sixpack wrote:
As you are well aware cwi530 who is flooding this Topix board with right wing drivel is a brain dead Tea Bagger with his head stuck so far up Rush Limbaugh's poop chute that it's about to come out of old "Pus Gut"'s mouth! If this screwball tells you to vote one way you no for sure you should vote the other way!
Here are the TRUE facts about Prop 32 which just happens to be funded by big corporations and fat cats! You think they care about worker's rights??? Forget it!
VOTE NO ON PROPOSITION 32!
It purports to take aim at all special interests in politics but in reality targets unions.
Proposition 32 claims to be a reform measure, a good-government proposal to rid state and local elections of the special-interest money that increasingly dominates in political races around the country.
But it isn't. In reality, Proposition 32 is a deceptive measure that would disproportionately weaken some special interests while leaving others essentially unaffected. Those who have seen its list of backers will not be surprised to learn that it would have a devastating effect on labor unions' political fundraising efforts and only a trivial impact on corporate spending. Voters should reject it.
It is true that Proposition 32 would prohibit both corporations and labor unions from making direct contributions to California political candidates and ballot measures. It would also ban government contractors from contributing to elected officials involved in awarding their contracts.
But the most significant provision would ban all corporations and all unions — public sector as well as private — from using payroll deductions to raise money for political spending. That may sound evenhanded, but the truth is that unions raise their political money overwhelmingly through payroll deductions from their members, while corporations rarely use payroll deductions.
The chief argument for this provision is that it would prevent unions from taking money for political purposes from members who don't support the union's political objectives. But proponents have not convincingly shown that a critical mass of members feel cheated by the current system. Besides, workers join unions voluntarily; if they disagree with their union's political positions, they can quit. Nonunion members who pay "fair share fees" to be covered by the union's collective bargaining agreements are allowed to opt out of paying that portion of the fee that goes to political activities.
If the proposition were really seeking to protect union workers, it would have been simpler and less damaging to mandate an easy method for union members to opt out of paying the portion of their dues that goes to political spending.
Proposition 32 is backed by wealthy Republicans such as Charles Munger Jr. and former Univision CEO A. Jerrold Perenchio, as well as the American Future Fund, which makes independent expenditures on behalf of conservative causes and candidates. Surely they understand that corporations, unlike unions, rely on their treasuries rather than payroll deductions to make political contributions in California, and that they do so without asking permission of shareholders, employees or customers.
To be clear, nothing in Proposition 32 stops any group from making independent expenditures on behalf of campaigns; the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that independent expenditures cannot be restricted. What's more, the ban on direct corporate contributions wouldn't apply to limited liability corporations or real estate trusts.
Proponents of the measure say it will reduce corporate and union influence and make politicians more accountable to voters. But in fact, only part of that statement is true. Vote no on Proposition 32.
NEW NAME SAME GAME.
FOLKS,READ PROP 32 FOR YOURSELF.
cwi530

Sacramento, CA

#4 Nov 2, 2012
Jersey Joe Vatalaro wrote:
Here are THE REAL FACTS ABOUT PROP 32:
Proposition 32, a measure appearing on the November statewide ballot, is not what it seems. While it claims to be about “stopping special interests” the measure actually gives special exemptions to corporate special interests and Super PACs. It would do nothing to fix what’s broken in Sacramento. Instead, Prop 32 would give even more power to the wealthy and well-connected to influence elections, control government and weaken our state’s middle class.
The millionaire backers misleadingly call it “The Stop Special Interest Money Now Act,” claiming it would rein in campaign contributions by both unions and corporations. In fact, the deceptive wording of the initiative specifically limits the voice of union members like our local teachers and nurses and the firefighters and police that keep us safe.
This one-sided measure would make our system even more imbalanced and it does nothing to stop the flow of money from the wealthy in politics.
Here’s what leading newspapers say about the deceptive measure:
"...a fraud to end all frauds" - LA Times
“…dripping with cynicism”– Sacramento Bee
"...a sham... wouldn't even begin to do what its backers promise" - Ventura County Star
"...would magnify the influence of wealthy interests while shutting out many middle-class voters" - San Jose Mercury News
“…a phony veneer of fairness…one-sided and biased”– Long Beach Press Telegram
"...a deceptive sham...would make a bad system worse" - Contra Costa Times
“…would just expand unaccountable independent expenditure committees, the super-PACs”– LA Times
The Facts
Prop 32 was written to limit the voice of union workers and create special exemptions for corporate interests, giving the wealthy and well-connected even more political power to write their own set of rules.
Prop 32 exempts secretive Super PACs and corporate front groups, which can raise unlimited amounts of money from corporate special interests and billionaire businessmen to support their candidates or defeat their enemies. The measure does nothing to prevent anonymous donors from spending unlimited amounts to influence elections.
Prop 32 is NOT campaign finance reform, as its backers claim. The wealthy supporters of this initiative created exemptions for Wall St. hedge funds, real estate investors, insurance companies and other well-heeled special interests allowing them to continue contributing directly to the coffers of political candidates.
Prop 32 would severely restrict union members in both the public and private sector from having a voice in our political process. As a result, teachers, nurses, firefighters, police and other everyday heroes would be unable to speak out on issues that matter to us all—like cuts to our schools and colleges, police and fire response times, patient safety and workplace protections.
This measure would give corporate CEOs and their lobbyists even greater influence over our political system. Corporations already outspend unions 15-1 in politics. This measure would effectively clear the playing field of any opposition to big corporations’ agenda, which includes outsourcing jobs, gutting homeowner protections, slashing wages and health benefits and attacking retirement security.
NEW NAME SAME GAME: LIES
FOLKS, READ PROP 32.
cwi530

Sacramento, CA

#5 Nov 2, 2012
Joe Sixpack wrote:
As you are well aware cwi530 who is flooding this Topix board with right wing drivel is a brain dead Tea Bagger with his head stuck so far up Rush Limbaugh's poop chute that it's about to come out of old "Pus Gut"'s mouth! If this screwball tells you to vote one way you no for sure you should vote the other way!
Here are the TRUE facts about Prop 32 which just happens to be funded by big corporations and fat cats! You think they care about worker's rights??? Forget it!
VOTE NO ON PROPOSITION 32!
It purports to take aim at all special interests in politics but in reality targets unions.
Proposition 32 claims to be a reform measure, a good-government proposal to rid state and local elections of the special-interest money that increasingly dominates in political races around the country.
But it isn't. In reality, Proposition 32 is a deceptive measure that would disproportionately weaken some special interests while leaving others essentially unaffected. Those who have seen its list of backers will not be surprised to learn that it would have a devastating effect on labor unions' political fundraising efforts and only a trivial impact on corporate spending. Voters should reject it.
It is true that Proposition 32 would prohibit both corporations and labor unions from making direct contributions to California political candidates and ballot measures. It would also ban government contractors from contributing to elected officials involved in awarding their contracts.
But the most significant provision would ban all corporations and all unions — public sector as well as private — from using payroll deductions to raise money for political spending. That may sound evenhanded, but the truth is that unions raise their political money overwhelmingly through payroll deductions from their members, while corporations rarely use payroll deductions.
The chief argument for this provision is that it would prevent unions from taking money for political purposes from members who don't support the union's political objectives. But proponents have not convincingly shown that a critical mass of members feel cheated by the current system. Besides, workers join unions voluntarily; if they disagree with their union's political positions, they can quit. Nonunion members who pay "fair share fees" to be covered by the union's collective bargaining agreements are allowed to opt out of paying that portion of the fee that goes to political activities.
If the proposition were really seeking to protect union workers, it would have been simpler and less damaging to mandate an easy method for union members to opt out of paying the portion of their dues that goes to political spending.
Proposition 32 is backed by wealthy Republicans such as Charles Munger Jr. and former Univision CEO A. Jerrold Perenchio, as well as the American Future Fund, which makes independent expenditures on behalf of conservative causes and candidates. Surely they understand that corporations, unlike unions, rely on their treasuries rather than payroll deductions to make political contributions in California, and that they do so without asking permission of shareholders, employees or customers.
To be clear, nothing in Proposition 32 stops any group from making independent expenditures on behalf of campaigns; the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that independent expenditures cannot be restricted. What's more, the ban on direct corporate contributions wouldn't apply to limited liability corporations or real estate trusts.
Proponents of the measure say it will reduce corporate and union influence and make politicians more accountable to voters. But in fact, only part of that statement is true. Vote no on Proposition 32.
NEW NAME SAME GAME: LIES!
READ PROP 32!
cwi530

Sacramento, CA

#7 Nov 3, 2012
Instead of me going back and forth with the Limbaugh lover I’d like to suggest that voters read the actual text of Prop 32 on page 93 of California’s Official Voter Information Guide. It’s less then two pages long and easy to read. Obviously I think Prop 32 is good for California. It will correct an injustice that’s been going on for way too long. Prop 32 will stop special interest groups from taking wages from the working-class and using it for political donations without the workers consent.

Prop 32 is the Stop Special Interest Money Now Act and it would amend the California Constitution by adding the following language:

85150.(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law and this title, no corporation, labor union, or public employee labor union shall make a contribution to any candidate, candidate controlled committee; or to any other committee, including a political party committee, if such funds will be used to make contributions to any candidate or candidate controlled committee.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law and this title, no government contractor, or committee sponsored by a government contractor, shall make a contribution to any elected officer or committee controlled by any elected officer if such elected officer makes, participates in making, or in any way attempts to use his or her official position to influence the granting, letting, or awarding of a public contract to the government contractor during the period in which the decision to grant, let, or award the contract is to be made and during the term of the contract.
85151.(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law and this title, no corporation, labor union, public employee labor union, government contractor, or government employer shall deduct from an employee’s wages, earnings, or compensation any amount of money to be used for political purposes.
(b) This section shall not prohibit an employee from making voluntary contributions to a sponsored committee of his or her employer, labor union, or public employee labor union in any manner, other than that which is prohibited by subdivision (a), so long as all such contributions are given with that employee’s written consent, which consent shall be effective for no more than one year.
(c) This section shall not apply to deductions for retirement benefit, health, life, death or disability insurance, or other similar benefit, nor shall it apply to an employee’s voluntary deduction for the benefit of a charitable organization organized under Section 501(c)(3) of Title 26 of the United States Code.

Believe what you read and not the foul-mouthed guy with an unhealthy fetish for Rush’s derriere.

Prop 32 lets union members choose the candidate and legislation their money supports. When the opponents of Prop 32 say it hurts unions they’re right. Corporations, Wall Street, big oil, and banks etc can’t take an employee’s money for political donations. Prop 32 helps union members. Prop 32 helps California.

California is in a financial crisis and our elected representatives are unable or unwilling to make the changes needed to bring back the posterity Californians once enjoyed. Prop 32 is the first step towards a better California. Don’t oppose Prop 32 for what it doesn’t do. Support it for what it will do.

VOTE TO CHANGE CALIFORNIA.

VOTE TO SAVE CALIFORNIA.

VOTE YES ON PROP 32.

STOP SPECIAL INTEREST MONEY NOW
Vote NO on Prop 32

Elk Grove, CA

#8 Nov 3, 2012
Here are THE REAL FACTS ABOUT PROP 32:

Proposition 32, a measure appearing on the November statewide ballot, is not what it seems. While it claims to be about “stopping special interests” the measure actually gives special exemptions to corporate special interests and Super PACs. It would do nothing to fix what’s broken in Sacramento. Instead, Prop 32 would give even more power to the wealthy and well-connected to influence elections, control government and weaken our state’s middle class.
The millionaire backers misleadingly call it “The Stop Special Interest Money Now Act,” claiming it would rein in campaign contributions by both unions and corporations. In fact, the deceptive wording of the initiative specifically limits the voice of union members like our local teachers and nurses and the firefighters and police that keep us safe.
This one-sided measure would make our system even more imbalanced and it does nothing to stop the flow of money from the wealthy in politics.
Here’s what leading newspapers say about the deceptive measure:
"...a fraud to end all frauds" - LA Times
“…dripping with cynicism”– Sacramento Bee
"...a sham... wouldn't even begin to do what its backers promise" - Ventura County Star
"...would magnify the influence of wealthy interests while shutting out many middle-class voters" - San Jose Mercury News
“…a phony veneer of fairness…one-sided and biased”– Long Beach Press Telegram
"...a deceptive sham...would make a bad system worse" - Contra Costa Times
“…would just expand unaccountable independent expenditure committees, the super-PACs”– LA Times
The Facts
Prop 32 was written to limit the voice of union workers and create special exemptions for corporate interests, giving the wealthy and well-connected even more political power to write their own set of rules.

Prop 32 exempts secretive Super PACs and corporate front groups, which can raise unlimited amounts of money from corporate special interests and billionaire businessmen to support their candidates or defeat their enemies. The measure does nothing to prevent anonymous donors from spending unlimited amounts to influence elections.

Prop 32 is NOT campaign finance reform, as its backers claim. The wealthy supporters of this initiative created exemptions for Wall St. hedge funds, real estate investors, insurance companies and other well-heeled special interests allowing them to continue contributing directly to the coffers of political candidates.

Prop 32 would severely restrict union members in both the public and private sector from having a voice in our political process. As a result, teachers, nurses, firefighters, police and other everyday heroes would be unable to speak out on issues that matter to us all—like cuts to our schools and colleges, police and fire response times, patient safety and workplace protections.

This measure would give corporate CEOs and their lobbyists even greater influence over our political system. Corporations already outspend unions 15-1 in politics. This measure would effectively clear the playing field of any opposition to big corporations’ agenda, which includes outsourcing jobs, gutting homeowner protections, slashing wages and health benefits and attacking retirement security.
Jurgen Peters

Elk Grove, CA

#9 Nov 3, 2012
As you are well aware cwi530 who is flooding this Topix board with right wing drivel is a brain dead Tea Bagger with his head stuck so far up Rush Limbaugh's poop chute that it's about to come out of old "Pus Gut"'s mouth! If this screwball tells you to vote one way you no for sure you should vote the other way!

Here are the TRUE facts about Prop 32 which just happens to be funded by big corporations and fat cats! You think they care about worker's rights??? Forget it!

VOTE NO ON PROPOSITION 32!

It purports to take aim at all special interests in politics but in reality targets unions.

Proposition 32 claims to be a reform measure, a good-government proposal to rid state and local elections of the special-interest money that increasingly dominates in political races around the country.

But it isn't. In reality, Proposition 32 is a deceptive measure that would disproportionately weaken some special interests while leaving others essentially unaffected. Those who have seen its list of backers will not be surprised to learn that it would have a devastating effect on labor unions' political fundraising efforts and only a trivial impact on corporate spending. Voters should reject it.

It is true that Proposition 32 would prohibit both corporations and labor unions from making direct contributions to California political candidates and ballot measures. It would also ban government contractors from contributing to elected officials involved in awarding their contracts.

But the most significant provision would ban all corporations and all unions — public sector as well as private — from using payroll deductions to raise money for political spending. That may sound evenhanded, but the truth is that unions raise their political money overwhelmingly through payroll deductions from their members, while corporations rarely use payroll deductions.

The chief argument for this provision is that it would prevent unions from taking money for political purposes from members who don't support the union's political objectives. But proponents have not convincingly shown that a critical mass of members feel cheated by the current system. Besides, workers join unions voluntarily; if they disagree with their union's political positions, they can quit. Nonunion members who pay "fair share fees" to be covered by the union's collective bargaining agreements are allowed to opt out of paying that portion of the fee that goes to political activities.

If the proposition were really seeking to protect union workers, it would have been simpler and less damaging to mandate an easy method for union members to opt out of paying the portion of their dues that goes to political spending.

Proposition 32 is backed by wealthy Republicans such as Charles Munger Jr. and former Univision CEO A. Jerrold Perenchio, as well as the American Future Fund, which makes independent expenditures on behalf of conservative causes and candidates. Surely they understand that corporations, unlike unions, rely on their treasuries rather than payroll deductions to make political contributions in California, and that they do so without asking permission of shareholders, employees or customers.

To be clear, nothing in Proposition 32 stops any group from making independent expenditures on behalf of campaigns; the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that independent expenditures cannot be restricted. What's more, the ban on direct corporate contributions wouldn't apply to limited liability corporations or real estate trusts.

Proponents of the measure say it will reduce corporate and union influence and make politicians more accountable to voters. But in fact, only part of that statement is true. Vote no on Proposition 32.
cwi530

Sacramento, CA

#10 Nov 4, 2012
Jurgen Peters wrote:
As you are well aware cwi530 who is flooding this Topix board with right wing drivel is a brain dead Tea Bagger with his head stuck so far up Rush Limbaugh's poop chute that it's about to come out of old "Pus Gut"'s mouth! If this screwball tells you to vote one way you no for sure you should vote the other way!
Here are the TRUE facts about Prop 32 which just happens to be funded by big corporations and fat cats! You think they care about worker's rights??? Forget it!
VOTE NO ON PROPOSITION 32!
It purports to take aim at all special interests in politics but in reality targets unions.
Proposition 32 claims to be a reform measure, a good-government proposal to rid state and local elections of the special-interest money that increasingly dominates in political races around the country.
But it isn't. In reality, Proposition 32 is a deceptive measure that would disproportionately weaken some special interests while leaving others essentially unaffected. Those who have seen its list of backers will not be surprised to learn that it would have a devastating effect on labor unions' political fundraising efforts and only a trivial impact on corporate spending. Voters should reject it.
It is true that Proposition 32 would prohibit both corporations and labor unions from making direct contributions to California political candidates and ballot measures. It would also ban government contractors from contributing to elected officials involved in awarding their contracts.
But the most significant provision would ban all corporations and all unions — public sector as well as private — from using payroll deductions to raise money for political spending. That may sound evenhanded, but the truth is that unions raise their political money overwhelmingly through payroll deductions from their members, while corporations rarely use payroll deductions.
The chief argument for this provision is that it would prevent unions from taking money for political purposes from members who don't support the union's political objectives. But proponents have not convincingly shown that a critical mass of members feel cheated by the current system. Besides, workers join unions voluntarily; if they disagree with their union's political positions, they can quit. Nonunion members who pay "fair share fees" to be covered by the union's collective bargaining agreements are allowed to opt out of paying that portion of the fee that goes to political activities.
If the proposition were really seeking to protect union workers, it would have been simpler and less damaging to mandate an easy method for union members to opt out of paying the portion of their dues that goes to political spending.
Proposition 32 is backed by wealthy Republicans such as Charles Munger Jr. and former Univision CEO A. Jerrold Perenchio, as well as the American Future Fund, which makes independent expenditures on behalf of conservative causes and candidates. Surely they understand that corporations, unlike unions, rely on their treasuries rather than payroll deductions to make political contributions in California, and that they do so without asking permission of shareholders, employees or customers.
To be clear, nothing in Proposition 32 stops any group from making independent expenditures on behalf of campaigns; the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that independent expenditures cannot be restricted. What's more, the ban on direct corporate contributions wouldn't apply to limited liability corporations or real estate trusts.
Proponents of the measure say it will reduce corporate and union influence and make politicians more accountable to voters. But in fact, only part of that statement is true. Vote no on Proposition 32.
Prove it! Show us the exemptions.
cwi530

Elk Grove, CA

#15 Mar 11, 2013
Even though the election was over 6 months ago and it lost I am still advising everyone to Vote Yes on Prop. 32 in 2016.
cwi530

Sacramento, CA

#16 Mar 12, 2013
cwi530 wrote:
Even though the election was over 6 months ago and it lost I am still advising everyone to Vote Yes on Prop. 32 in 2016.
You wannabe like me huh bitch? It'll never happen. You ain't even got the balls to use your own name now f**k off.
cwi530

Elk Grove, CA

#17 Mar 13, 2013
NOBODY is as stupid as me! It'll never happen! Impossible! Ain't no way! I got money and I got guns and I got my head stuck up Rush Limbaugh's pooper 24/7. What part of that don't you understand! F**k off you 47 per cent that didn't vote for Romney!
Bubba

Elk Grove, CA

#18 Mar 13, 2013
cwi530 wrote:
NOBODY is as stupid as me! It'll never happen! Impossible! Ain't no way! I got money and I got guns and I got my head stuck up Rush Limbaugh's pooper 24/7. What part of that don't you understand! F**k off you 47 per cent that didn't vote for Romney!
Okay dude I think I get your drift! You got money and you got guns which makes you better than the rest of us peasants! Not so sure about that Rush Limbaugh stuff but anything that floats your boat!

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