Judge: Lies OK to catch child abuse s...

Judge: Lies OK to catch child abuse suspect

There are 31 comments on the Daily Democrat story from Sep 29, 2009, titled Judge: Lies OK to catch child abuse suspect. In it, Daily Democrat reports that:

Two motions issued by the defense for an alleged child abuser were denied in Yolo County Superior Court Monday, leaving charges and evidence intact for the District Attorney's Office to proceed to trial in January.

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lee

Auburn, CA

#23 Sep 30, 2009
Poor Auntie wrote:
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The law is clear, it doesn't matter what the officer knows or is going to do, it is what the "suspect" believes. If the susepct thinks he/she is under arrest then they are. If the "suspect" thinks they are free to leave then they are not arrested. Your nephew knew he was free to come and go, do what he wanted in his mind he was not under arrest - perfectly legal. Police Officers can lie and/or use deception in an attempt to get the truth, just because I tell you I found your fingerprints at a crime scene does not mean you did it, any innocent person would say bull, I was never there. A guilty person would say, well... maybe I was there at some point and leaned against the window, leaving my print. No one is saying your Nephew meant to hurt that child, but sounds like he and she did in fact do it, maybe unintentionaly.
Maybe the reason why the young man stayed in the lobby and waited for his turn to speak with the officer is because that was the right thing to do and no one knows but him and the detective what was really said behind those close doors. Maybe behind those closed doors the detective badgered and harassed him and tried to intimated him. Yes, someone hurt that baby but it wasn't the young man who is being accused and I believe if WPD really wanted to find out the truth, they should have did more on finding out who everyone was that jessie was involved with and not only assume it was this young man who did it. I believe the injuries occurred before she met this young man and they are trying to make him take the fall for someone elses dirty work.
Sickos

United States

#30 Sep 30, 2009
sexually abusing a 7 MONTH OLD??? hang 'em both!
lol

United States

#31 Sep 30, 2009
Double Bogey wrote:
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Look up the definition for entrapment...you will see that it does not even come close to fitting.
Looks heres another one who is always trying to show off his education by means of making other people look bad. Well, idoit looks like you are the one who looks bad.
RNs10-97

Winters, CA

#32 Sep 30, 2009
To the Aunt:
While I respect your position of defense on behalf of your nephew, you must understand there is NO WAY that you can say for certain that you know for fact that he did not commit these crimes he is being accused of. That is for our judicial system to figure out. While you obviously have no faith in this system, unfortunately you and your family will have to comply and go through this process with your nephew. The only way that you would know for FACT is if you were with your nephew 24/7 which we both know you were not. We hate to hear these horrible things about someone we care and love. BUT, sometimes these people are not the same person they are when they are around us. I am speaking from experience, believe me. If your nephew is innocent, then the truth will be proven. However, if he is guilty, then he will be punished accordingly as child abuse and molestation have got to be one of the worst crimes out there. In my opinion anyways.
To RNs10-97

United States

#33 Sep 30, 2009
RNs10-97 wrote:
To the Aunt:
While I respect your position of defense on behalf of your nephew, you must understand there is NO WAY that you can say for certain that you know for fact that he did not commit these crimes he is being accused of. That is for our judicial system to figure out. While you obviously have no faith in this system, unfortunately you and your family will have to comply and go through this process with your nephew. The only way that you would know for FACT is if you were with your nephew 24/7 which we both know you were not. We hate to hear these horrible things about someone we care and love. BUT, sometimes these people are not the same person they are when they are around us. I am speaking from experience, believe me. If your nephew is innocent, then the truth will be proven. However, if he is guilty, then he will be punished accordingly as child abuse and molestation have got to be one of the worst crimes out there. In my opinion anyways.
You say that there is no way I could know for certain he didn't commit these crimes. Well, you couldn't be so wrong. My nephew has NEVER harmed a child in his life and wouldn't think of doing it. This young man has stopped bullys from picking on someone younger than them. He was brought home kittys that he thought were homeless. He doesn't have a mean bone is his body. His mother raised him to respect everyone. That child was never molested and it will come out in court. Three years, I could honestly say an individual would get a fair trail, but with this DA and all of his corruption with with-helding evidence, no I don't trust the court styem now. Not everyone who is accused of crimes like this are guilty and Richard is innocent.

Oh, by the way, I know who you are aka Nurse5150
Alphonso

San Francisco, CA

#34 Sep 30, 2009
"If your nephew is innocent, then the truth will be proven. "

That is the way it is supposed to work, but not in Yolo County. The police lie, the DA's staff lies and the Judges are so weak they are incapable of providing any balance. The only hope is a reasonably good jury. Yolo County has the worst justice system in the State!
To RNs10-97

United States

#35 Sep 30, 2009
One more thing, any one and everyone who truely knows Richard knows he is not capible of doing anything like he is being accused of. I am sorry that you or a family member of yours got mosested when you or them were a child, but not all men who are accused of this kind of crime is guilty. In away, I pitty you because of what happened to you or a family member because it has warped your judgement on people (men) in general. What is a real shame is when Richard is found innocent, his life will never be the same and it will be ruined even though he is innocent because people will still judge him.
RNs10-97

Winters, CA

#36 Oct 1, 2009
To RNs10-97 wrote:
One more thing, any one and everyone who truley knows Richard knows he is not capible of doing anything like he is being accused of. I am sorry that you or a family member of yours got mosested when you or them were a child, but not all men who are accused of this kind of crime is guilty. In away, I pitty you because of what happened to you or a family member because it has warped your judgement on people (men) in general. What is a real shame is when Richard is found innocent, his life will never be the same and it will be ruined even though he is innocent because people will still judge him.
You are obviously unable to carry on an educated discussion without throwing out accusations towards others. So, debating this with you would be exhausting. You will only read what you want to and not really comprehend what is really written. IF you go back and actually READ my comment, it NEVER states or accuses your nephew of being guilty. I simply pointed out the FACTS that there is no way that you can possibly know FOR SURE that your nephew committed this crime or not, unless you were with him 24/7. I will not even waste my time by responding to your assumption of your reason why you think I have a "warped way of thinking". You and I obviously have two very different life styles and education levels. I choose not to judge and name call on these forums. When you do that to others, you show your true colors and lose your battle. Again, I never once said your nephew was guilty. BUT, if he is found guilty of either abusing or molesting that baby, then I hope he is punished severely.
to rns10-97

AOL

#37 Oct 1, 2009
RNs10-97 wrote:
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You are obviously unable to carry on an educated discussion without throwing out accusations towards others. So, debating this with you would be exhausting. You will only read what you want to and not really comprehend what is really written. IF you go back and actually READ my comment, it NEVER states or accuses your nephew of being guilty. I simply pointed out the FACTS that there is no way that you can possibly know FOR SURE that your nephew committed this crime or not, unless you were with him 24/7. I will not even waste my time by responding to your assumption of your reason why you think I have a "warped way of thinking". You and I obviously have two very different life styles and education levels. I choose not to judge and name call on these forums. When you do that to others, you show your true colors and lose your battle. Again, I never once said your nephew was guilty. BUT, if he is found guilty of either abusing or molesting that baby, then I hope he is punished severely.
Looks like to me you are the pot calling the kettle black. You do your own throwing out accusations by stating things like this there is no way you could know for certainty that your nephew didn't do this crime and that is only one statement in your comment you made to me there were more. Yes you are right, you didn't say he is guilty, but you insinuated it by your wording and no there isn't anything wrong with my comprehend. Another thing, I will tell you just like I told double bogey it really doesn't matter what you think and I am not going to get into an arguement or debate with you on this subject because Richard is my family.
RNs10-97

Winters, CA

#38 Oct 1, 2009
Telling you that there is no way that you could possibly know for FACT that he did or did not molest/abuse this child is not accusing YOU of anything. It is stating a FACT. No one can say for certain anything about anyone's actions unless they were with that person the entire time in question. So, AGAIN. You do not know if he committed this crime or not. The judicial system and jury will have to make that decision. As his Aunt, you can only hope that the nephew you know and love would never do such a horrible act. And as an Aunt myself, I would do the same thing in your shoes.
Wanda Harison - Aruse

Lodi, CA

#40 Nov 10, 2011
I am a parent who fights for custody of my 6yr old child being emotionally, psychologically, and emotionally abused by the father. There is one thing that I do know about the law enforcement agencys in the usa. Its called Aruse.= The police are allowed to lie to you to get you to come to the conclusion that they believe is correct! IE; "There is three sides to every story-1. Your side 2. There Side and #3. The truth. And its up to us to get the truth!" Officer Valentine Chaban Lodi Ca. Police Dept. has told me this my self as well as many other LPD officers. Its called A "Roo" it means to TELL A LIE, AN UNTRUE, TO AROUSE ONES EMOTIONS. So when they do this they are calling you a liar-point blank! The best way to deal with law enforcement is to NOT! Just request a lawyer and then they cant question you no more!

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