Possible smoking ban stirs debate

Clarke Morrison * CMorrison@CITIZEN-TIMES.com * published February 1, 2009 12:15 am ASHEVILLE A former cigarette smoker who quit for the sake of her health, Freda Grusmark doesn't want to inhale the smoke of ... Full Story
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Matthew

Morganton, NC

#1 Jan 31, 2009
I will fight this ban as I have fought all of the previous ones. This is a property rights issue, business owners should have the right to determine how their business is operated, if they choose to allow it, and you don't care for it, shop elsewhere, then they will see through that how to react. Conversely, if you enjoy smoking and an establishment has banned it, you too can shop elsewhere. I do not understand the mentality that somehow non-smokers have an entitlement to protection on private property, they do not. I fully support bans in places that the public has no option on going to such as government buildings or hospitals, in those cases, it is not private property and you may not have a choice to go. I also do not believe that smokers should have some sort of entitlement to a smoking section being guaranteed for them, this is the choice of a property or business owner. I have many who will stand and fight with me but I encourage all of those who respect the property rights of themselves and others as well as those who respect the freedom of choice to call your legislators and let them know that you oppose this ban. If you do not choose to fight, do not be surprised when it is another issue involving your rights or choices that becomes the issue for legislators to dictate.

“Fredneck County Md”

Since: Feb 08

Small Town

#2 Jan 31, 2009
Matthew wrote:
I will fight this ban as I have fought all of the previous ones. This is a property rights issue, business owners should have the right to determine how their business is operated, if they choose to allow it, and you don't care for it, shop elsewhere, then they will see through that how to react. Conversely, if you enjoy smoking and an establishment has banned it, you too can shop elsewhere. I do not understand the mentality that somehow non-smokers have an entitlement to protection on private property, they do not. I fully support bans in places that the public has no option on going to such as government buildings or hospitals, in those cases, it is not private property and you may not have a choice to go. I also do not believe that smokers should have some sort of entitlement to a smoking section being guaranteed for them, this is the choice of a property or business owner. I have many who will stand and fight with me but I encourage all of those who respect the property rights of themselves and others as well as those who respect the freedom of choice to call your legislators and let them know that you oppose this ban. If you do not choose to fight, do not be surprised when it is another issue involving your rights or choices that becomes the issue for legislators to dictate.
Excellent post Matthew, thank you and keep up the good fight!
grmofasheville

Hickory, NC

#3 Feb 1, 2009
“People in restaurants and stores, they shouldn't have to deal with secondhand smoke,” the Asheville woman said.“Smokers should have to smoke outside where it doesn't affect people so much.”

Smokers need to smoke out side, further away from the front door.
Ronald Frobnitz

United States

#4 Feb 1, 2009
Smokers have the right to kill themselves in private if they wish. They don't have the right to harm others. I have several good friends who smoke and they respect others by going outside to do it. They are good people so they don't need a law. The law is needed to protect us from others.
Michael

Saint John's, Antigua and Barbuda

#5 Feb 1, 2009
Actually restaurants who go "smoke-free" usually have an increase in profits after doing so. Studies show that tables are "turned over" quicker since customers don't "sit and smoke" after a meal, etc. Healthcare costs are also less expensive due to the waiters not having to breathe in the second-hand smoke. I'm not sure if a state-wide ban is the way to go, but I do understand the point. The healthcare costs associated with smoking costs medicare/medicaid huge amounts of money each year. Of course after this ban, we'd have to start enforcing an "ideal body weight" tax. If you're not within 10% of your ideal body weight, then you pay more in taxes due to the healthcare costs...but i'm just dreaming now...
Engineers Daughter

Spartanburg, SC

#6 Feb 1, 2009
If you really think about it,you wonder why the government doesn't make smoking illegal. It's all about money. The government cannot afford to lose the tax revenue. Either have the guts to make it illegal or leave it alone. I don't smoke, don't like it and don't go to smoky places. That doesn't mean I have a right to tell someone else what to do in their home or business. My rights stop where yours begin.

“Trust the Brits?Ask the Irish!”

Since: Dec 07

Dublin

#7 Feb 1, 2009
Problem is also worker's rights. If cook's, servers etc get affected by second hnd smoke and they claim disability because of it. And do not start with the "work somewhere else" because then you become the same thing which you are arguing against...telling people what to do.

Easiest thing is smoke outside and away from other people. But smoking is doomed anyway so what the hell.
dadgum

Chicago, IL

#8 Feb 1, 2009
Michael wrote:
Actually restaurants who go "smoke-free" usually have an increase in profits after doing so. Studies show that tables are "turned over" quicker since customers don't "sit and smoke" after a meal, etc. Healthcare costs are also less expensive due to the waiters not having to breathe in the second-hand smoke. I'm not sure if a state-wide ban is the way to go, but I do understand the point. The healthcare costs associated with smoking costs medicare/medicaid huge amounts of money each year. Of course after this ban, we'd have to start enforcing an "ideal body weight" tax. If you're not within 10% of your ideal body weight, then you pay more in taxes due to the healthcare costs...but i'm just dreaming now...
It isn't just a dream. With the economy tanking so fast, who will have the money to smoke, drink and eat anywhere? We'll all be healthier until we pass out from hunger.

Since: Jun 07

Johnson City, TN

#9 Feb 1, 2009
I don't like loud mouthed drinkers, but have to put up with them sometimes at eateries. I don't like screaming children, but have to put up with them at eateries. I don't like high prices, but have to put,,,,,,, You get the message. STOP WHINING!

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#10 Feb 1, 2009
Le t the free market decide. If you don'tlike what they are doing, don't go there.

Since: Oct 08

Asheville

#11 Feb 1, 2009
After living in other areas where smoking isn't allowed anywhere, this neither surprises nor upsets me. It's pretty simple. If smoking isn't allowed and I want to smoke, I don't go there. Makes more sense for restaurants than bars though. I feel sorry for the owners of bars. This will be their demise.
batman

Lincolnton, NC

#12 Feb 1, 2009
i don go there-have not been to char st pub in years; i very seldomly go to the usual suspects either for that reason. hate my clothes to smell like smoke, and having to listen to the wife complain about it, and having to smell it myself.

free market is fine....but i WOULD like it better w/o the smoke. so go law go. i love big brother...
CJOHNNY

Boiling Springs, SC

#13 Feb 1, 2009
fastsam wrote:
Le t the free market decide. If you don'tlike what they are doing, don't go there.
Thank you, now where did I put my lighter?
Dave Spicer

United States

#14 Feb 1, 2009
Sgt Rock wrote:
You get the message. STOP WHINING!
And if you don't want to inhale toxic crap, STOP BREATHING!

LOL!!!!!!!
Think Different

Mauldin, SC

#15 Feb 1, 2009
I look forward to visiting more establishments after the new ban is enacted. When I go out for dinner or drinks, I intentionally avoid any that allow smoking. Lately, that list is shrinking as more and more have realized that most of want a smoke-free place to go to.
AVL Rez

Greer, SC

#16 Feb 1, 2009
Ronald Frobnitz wrote:
Smokers have the right to kill themselves in private if they wish. They don't have the right to harm others. I have several good friends who smoke and they respect others by going outside to do it. They are good people so they don't need a law. The law is needed to protect us from others.
If people choose to smoke, then it should follow that any health problem they develop as a result of their smoking is their financial responsibility. No government outlay -- e.g. Medicare paying for oxygen for a 60 y.o. with emphysema resulting from a life-long smoking habit. Perhaps an insurance company will elect to cover these expenses and so smokers can purchase such a plan at a premium that may be higher.

Consumers not wanting to inhale second hand smoke should not go to venues where it is allowed. And don't walk through smokers gathered at the door of those places who don't allow smoking. Move on to another choice.

Since: Jun 07

Johnson City, TN

#17 Feb 1, 2009
Dave Spicer wrote:
<quoted text>
And if you don't want to inhale toxic crap, STOP BREATHING!
LOL!!!!!!!
True!
No Smoking

United States

#18 Feb 1, 2009
CJOHNNY wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you, now where did I put my lighter?
.

Stop the insanity of allowing others to smoke and pollute the air of others in publc.
My parents smoked and I (non-smoker) still have a hacking cough every now and then from their second hand smoke.
Ban smoking now in restaurants and all public spaces.

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#19 Feb 1, 2009
AVL Rez wrote:
<quoted text>
If people choose to smoke, then it should follow that any health problem they develop as a result of their smoking is their financial responsibility. No government outlay -- e.g. Medicare paying for oxygen for a 60 y.o. with emphysema resulting from a life-long smoking habit. Perhaps an insurance company will elect to cover these expenses and so smokers can purchase such a plan at a premium that may be higher.
Consumers not wanting to inhale second hand smoke should not go to venues where it is allowed. And don't walk through smokers gathered at the door of those places who don't allow smoking. Move on to another choice.
Same should apply to people that drink. Also, for those that have sex. If a baby comes from it, no help ever from the Goverment. Come to think of it maybe they should kill off everyone that does not have blonde hair, blue eyes.
All you quacks that keep wanting big brother to control everything are going to be the loudest screamers when all your rights are gone.
No Smoking

United States

#20 Feb 1, 2009
fastsam wrote:
<quoted text>Same should apply to people that drink. Also, for those that have sex. If a baby comes from it, no help ever from the Goverment. Come to think of it maybe they should kill off everyone that does not have blonde hair, blue eyes.
All you quacks that keep wanting big brother to control everything are going to be the loudest screamers when all your rights are gone.
No, none of your babble applies about Big Brother. Just don't smoke in public where it can affect others.
Now, back to your regular programming.

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