Aptos site could be new home for affo...

Aptos site could be new home for affordable housing

There are 95 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Nov 18, 2008, titled Aptos site could be new home for affordable housing. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

County leaders are pressing forward with plans to make room for more affordable housing.

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Pat Kittle

Aptos, CA

#94 Nov 18, 2008
emily post wrote:
I am a Mar Vista School teacher. Our second language learners ARE NOT "wild, out-of-control kids." You know not of what you speak!
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Yeah, who are we going to believe anyway -- you, or our own lying eyes?
Pat Kittle

Aptos, CA

#95 Nov 18, 2008
Lucas wrote:
Watsonville is expanding north. Is there a knife store in Aptos?
If there isn't, it can only be because of racism.

Englewood, CO

#96 Nov 18, 2008
protect aptos wrote:
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No, they arent wild, out of control kids, yet! Just give them some time. As much as you want to hope that they will turn a new leaf compared to their parents and older siblings, they are doomed. All but a few cases follow the endless circle of poverty and dispair. Giving them cheaper housing in a nicer area does nothing! It just brings crime closer to your family. I appreciate your efforts as a teacher and your positive attitude. I truly do. It is not so much what you do in the classroom, it unfortunately is a cultural thing. You are talking about a community of people who do not value education or post secondary education for that matter. Please someone prove me wrong. Show me more than a handful of cases in the community you refer to that break this cycle.
Duh don't you get it...she's a teacher and section 8 housing means she'll have a job for life especially if she's an ESL teacher. It will mean hordes of new kids every year guaranteeing an ever larger bureacracy of like minded peers to educate(sarcasm) them. You know what annoys me about the low cost housing whether for sale or rent is why do they insist on bringing in the dregs from Oakland or Salinas when young civil servants who have an interest in the community can't afford to live here. No their idea of diversity are low riders, perpetually unemployed and substance addicted, and those that think art consists of writing graffiti on private property is acceptable demonstration of their freedom

United States

#97 Nov 18, 2008
Glad I moved from that hecklhole.
Pat Kittle

Aptos, CA

#98 Nov 18, 2008
Rub this in the noses of out cowardly politicians:


A few direct quotes:

"We have an aging white America.They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population... I love it. They are sh----ng in their pants with fear. I love it... we have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."
-- Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas

"The American Southwest seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico without firing a single shot."
-- Excelsior - The national newspaper of Mexico

"We are practicing La Reconquista in California."
-- Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General

"We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos...non-Latinos aren't watching, they aren't raising questions"
-- Fernando Guerra, professor, Loyola Marymount

"Republica del Norte," the Republic of the North, which would include the present U.S. states of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, plus southern Colorado, along with several current Mexican states, is "an inevitability." The new "Hispanic homeland" should be brought into being "by any means necessary."
-- Charles Truxillo, professor, University of New Mexico

"... you are like the generals who command armies! We're in a state of war!"
-- Armando Navarro, professor, University of California

"Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die.... Through love of having children, we are going to take over."
-- Augustin Cebeda, Brown Berets

Watsonville, CA

#99 Nov 18, 2008
protect aptos wrote:
What the hell is happening to our country? It is absolutely disgusting to see a free market capitalist economy turning in to this free handout socialist welfare state. I for one, have worked hard to earn a college degree, then multiple post graduate degrees so that I can get a good job and provide my family with a life that only hard work can provide. But for what?? So a bunch of idiots can bring low income housing into a beautiful upper socio-economic area and ruin it for everyone! Im not going to get into the race thing, but we all know what is going to happen to aptos if we continue to bring this type of ellement into our neighborhoods. I cant wait for the first fourth of July parade after this project is built. Scum with 40's on the sidewalk laughing and gaulking at our children as they walk by. Look around people, its only getting worse. Look at the grafiti in the old par 3 course area and along our freeways. What scum! It never used to be like this. I think that hard work deserves a handsome reward if wanted. People do not deserve to work hard their whole lives, paying premium prices for their homes and outrageous property taxes, for some people to then ruin it because they think everyone deserves to live by the beach. Well guess what, not everyone deserves the right to live in a nice area! There are plenty of areas where they can build low income housing projects without effecting those who deserve to live in a nice area. I see plenty of land next to freeways that would make appropriate building sites for low income housing. Now before some of you get your panties in a bunch, ask your self this question; Why do they deserve to have it any better than you without the hard work??? You too can work hard and go to school and afford to live in a nicer area. Until then, get the hell out of my neighborhood! When you can afford it, welcome home. Why the hell do you think that everyone deserves a free ride in this country? Its called life people! Its not called easy street.
Thanks for your post. I couldn't have said it better myself. Unfortunately, people like you and myself will continue to become the minority and there isn't a darn thing we can do about. Everyone is so concerned about not violating anyone's civil rights (even the non-citizen's rights) and making sure that every gets a chance, including those who are too lazy to even try. And with the handouts come the overstated sense of entitlements. It's not like this in other parts of the country. It's the tolerant attitude and the inability for anyone to take a stand without being labeled a racist.
I guess the best we can do is try to teach our children what we have learned and hope that they don't get sucked up in the crap going on all around them.

Morgan Hill, CA

#100 Nov 18, 2008
Wow, all this hoopla over a measly 40 homes? Check out the plans to build 2250 homes in beautiful Larkin Valley (also Ellen Pirie's area) and then let's talk about impact. Consider yourselves fortunate to be "threatened" by such a small scale development in comparison to what is going on around you.
Hey Dante

Vernalis, CA

#101 Nov 18, 2008
dante wrote:
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Hey, best Japanese restaurant in Santa Cruz county is in Watsonville - Miyuki. Also, got a friend in who's backyard is a freakin' Lake. Check out cutter street. We jet ski, water ski,... in his own private back yard! Only thing affordable housing brings is hard working people who are unfortunate enough to live in one of the most expensive housing market in the country. They're good people. It will not ruin anything. It's racist bigoted short sighted people like you that ruin the neighborhood.
Enjoy another hit off that peyote pipe and pull your head out.

Go visit Button Street Apartments in Santa Cruz. Merrill Street in Live Oak. Villa San Carlos on Soquel. I'm sure there are dozens more others could name.

Walk around these areas with rival gang colors on and a $20 bill hanging out of your back pocket.

I'd give you 30 seconds before your rose colored glasses got knocked off your sanctimonious little head.

I'll give you the shirt and the $20.
Pls write to Ellen Pirie

Vernalis, CA

#102 Nov 18, 2008
[email protected] s
And let her know how you feel about this development.

Santa Cruz, CA

#103 Nov 19, 2008
Welcome to the rampant overpopulation of the planet. Until you've spayed yourselves and all of your progeny, you shouldn't be allowed to complain about this issue.
As long as humans continue to breed uncontrolled, we'll see no end to these housing/nature and nice/cheap housing conflicts.

Santa Cruz, CA

#105 Nov 19, 2008
bill wrote:
Does anyone realize the new construction going up just north-west of Cabrillo is low-income? That's all Aptos is becoming now.
Again, prime riparian land has been taken; "just a few feet here and a few fee there is all we need," say the contractors. Soon, the wildlife will be gone and the Aptos area will look like San Jose.
Those 43 crappy eyesores are high-density, but not low-income. Some units will be affordable, because County ordinances require a certain percentage of new homes in developments to be affordable, but it won't be an affordable/low-income complex.

Sunnyvale, CA

#109 Nov 21, 2008
Pls write to Ellen Pirie wrote:
[email protected] s
And let her know how you feel about this development.
It's not just Ellen you have to get through to. You have to get at least two more.

It will be easier to just move out of the county than stop this.

San Jose, CA

#110 Dec 17, 2008
I have recently moved to the area with my daughter
It is very beautiful out here, however, the wage scale does not match the housing costs. It is a very sad commentary some of you have stating that those who work and need assistance for housing costs are somehow below the rest of you. Aptos is nice, but it really isn't all that. Sounds a bit racist to me.

“Yep, that's me at Tunnels”

Since: Dec 08

Santa Cruz

#111 Dec 18, 2008
Why ruin our nice town? You will have trashy people, 15 to a house, with nice cars lowered with rims, and sound systems living here.
We don't need that! I like my upper class neighborhood. Keep it nice, don't trash it up!
Come on, now. I have a home in Aptos. You didn't think they weren't coming to get us...did you? They'll absorb us into this unmanaged crime riddled affordable housing mushroom cloud faster than you can say Rio Del Mar. It is what it is. Here's a New Year prediction. Gated security gates at the RDM shopping center by 2010. Ellen Pirie's a favorite of mine, but she damn well better make sure that there are background checks on market rate and non-market rate residents and stomp around for public safety supplements for this bomb.

Santa Cruz, CA

#112 Mar 6, 2013
I also don't understand how they can permit this construction (Aptos Blue or Canterbury Park). They're paving over the last few vacant acres in the developed part of Aptos, cutting down trees for God's sake, to make "affordable" housing available. The concept just seems totally amorphous and probably serves some ulterior purpose. A $300,000 condo is not something most poor or working class people would aspire to as affordable. That's why the wording is "low to moderate income". But why are we spending taxpayer dollars on providing such housing to people with moderate incomes. I have a moderate income. Can I have the government build me a cabin in Wawona, a mansion in Beverly Hills and call it affordable if it's half the going price. And what will become of these condos after they are sold? Are going to be subject to price controls in perpetuity? Look, this whole thing doesn't make sense. There is affordable housing all over the place. Maybe this program was started back in the bubble days, but real estate in many part of California is still dirt cheap and mortgage are lower than ever. And this program is not going to take any homeless people anywhere off the streets. With governments at all levels on the verge of insolvency and poverty on the rise, why is this program continuing?

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