County, Sierra Northern claim to have...

County, Sierra Northern claim to have deal in place for tourist trains; special session called fo...

There are 84 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Oct 13, 2010, titled County, Sierra Northern claim to have deal in place for tourist trains; special session called fo.... In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

The county Regional Transportation Commission has called a special session for Thursday to sign off on an overdue plan for tourist trains on the North Coast.

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Hand me a stake

AOL

#1 Oct 13, 2010
Dracula has once more risen from the grave.
cruznative

Morgan Hill, CA

#2 Oct 13, 2010
You are kidding us!!!
What "deal" has been made re: this "special meeting" go ahead plan in spite of almost unanimous objections by the TAX PAYERS!!!
Huh

Los Angeles, CA

#3 Oct 13, 2010
Oh boy! Yet another useless special interest, Democrat government subsidized, tax payer funded money pit!
Oh goody!

Gee, I guess I'll have to man-up to admit I didn't believe the economy had recovered as touted all summer long by the Obama/Bidden "Summer of Recovery" Tour which just concluded end of Sept!
I was wrong! All is good and fnancially secure in Liberal-Socialist Land!

Let's continue to throw money at rediculous plans! Hopefully, the union employees and ILLEGAL immigrant under-the-table wage earners will benefit from from the unlimited source of taxpayer generosity!
Aptos paying taxes

AOL

#4 Oct 13, 2010
Just remember, during election time, that our county supervisors have agreed unanimously to this purchase without any vote from their constituants. There was a vote, years ago about a county sales tax increase, when the train was combined with an extra lane on the 1 plus additional money they wanted to spend on anything in the furture. That measure, which was initiated by Ellen, was defeated.
Dig Deep

Daly City, CA

#5 Oct 13, 2010
Why can't they publish time and place. Because they don't want us too show up.
The will of the voter should decide this issue not the workers at the transportation board.
Choo Choo Charley

San Jose, CA

#6 Oct 13, 2010
I can't wait to hear what the terms of this "deal" are. It seems pretty obvious that the county made some kind of concession to ram this thing through.
SLV bus rider

Santa Cruz, CA

#7 Oct 13, 2010
Terrible transit service for locals -bad bus schedules - and the money is spent on the tourist. Why NOT for local service for local commuters?????
Buy it now

Santa Cruz, CA

#8 Oct 13, 2010
Hurray.

It's about time.

This is the most significant transportation project in Santa Cruz County in a generation.

A continuous transportation corridor from one end of the county to the other that passes through most of the population and employment centers is priceless, or nearly so.
Buy it now

Santa Cruz, CA

#9 Oct 13, 2010
Aptos paying taxes wrote:
Just remember, during election time, that our county supervisors have agreed unanimously to this purchase without any vote from their constituants. There was a vote, years ago about a county sales tax increase, when the train was combined with an extra lane on the 1 plus additional money they wanted to spend on anything in the furture. That measure, which was initiated by Ellen, was defeated.
This is all incorrect. There was a vote, Prop. 116. It passed overwhelmingly in Santa Cruz County and the taxes are already paid. Every other project outlined in that bond measure has already received its money.

And Measure J, which you refer to, did not include a train, but only improvements to the corridor. Most of the money went to widening Hwy 1, and locals realized that they did not want to pay 1/2 Billion dollars to widen a state highway. A very sensible decision, in my view.
Reality Check

Hayward, CA

#10 Oct 13, 2010
Buy it now wrote:
Hurray.
It's about time.
This is the most significant transportation project in Santa Cruz County in a generation.
A continuous transportation corridor from one end of the county to the other that passes through most of the population and employment centers is priceless, or nearly so.
FWIW, "pricey" and "useless" cannot be reasonably contracted into "priceless".
Skiros 14

United States

#11 Oct 13, 2010
Buy it now wrote:
Hurray.
It's about time.
This is the most significant transportation project in Santa Cruz County in a generation.
A continuous transportation corridor from one end of the county to the other that passes through most of the population and employment centers is priceless, or nearly so.
Will you use it?
cruznative

Morgan Hill, CA

#12 Oct 13, 2010
Choo Choo Charley wrote:
I can't wait to hear what the terms of this "deal" are. It seems pretty obvious that the county made some kind of concession to ram this thing through.
Perhaps the deal maker was to provide "all maintenance" for the operation...
And they plan on "out sourcing" that work to the Chinese??? LOL!
Reality Check

Hayward, CA

#13 Oct 13, 2010
Buy it now wrote:
<quoted text>
This is all incorrect. There was a vote, Prop. 116. It passed overwhelmingly in Santa Cruz County and the taxes are already paid. Every other project outlined in that bond measure has already received its money...
No, the taxes are not 'already paid'. Prop 116 authorized the state to sell bonds, and the debt service will be paid by monies from the general fund. You know, the one with the $20B shortfall? The taxes, in no way, are 'already paid'.
Choo Choo Charley

San Jose, CA

#14 Oct 13, 2010
Buy it now wrote:
This is the most significant transportation project in Santa Cruz County in a generation.
Could you please explain to us exactly what is this "significant transportation project" other than the proposed dinner train?
STINGER

Redwood City, CA

#15 Oct 13, 2010
Buy it now wrote:
<quoted text>
This is all incorrect. There was a vote, Prop. 116. It passed overwhelmingly in Santa Cruz County and the taxes are already paid. Every other project outlined in that bond measure has already received its money.
And Measure J, which you refer to, did not include a train, but only improvements to the corridor. Most of the money went to widening Hwy 1, and locals realized that they did not want to pay 1/2 Billion dollars to widen a state highway. A very sensible decision, in my view.
Of course the Bonds will not be paid off for a very long time. Tell your kids and grandhildren THANKS>
Choo Choo Charley

San Jose, CA

#16 Oct 13, 2010
Does anyone know anything about Mendocino Railway?

Apparently the agreement states that Sierra can assign the "Tourist Services" to a third party, Mendocino Railway.
Richard Saunders

Belmont, CA

#17 Oct 13, 2010
The Sentinel in its typical deviousness didn't give us the contract or business plan to purview.

In the previous provisional contract, SN had to pay a buck for passenger to the county, at a minimum of 10K tourists (if I remember correctly), and a 10 year lease with no provisions for a rail trail or passenger train anytime in the future.

In fact, the previous contract banned outright any use of the line for commuter traffic, and SN had all rights to both sides of the track. Even if the rail trail is allowed, the $30 million to build it doesn't exist.

Liberals and their lies and deceit, gotta love them.
Just Sayin

Hayward, CA

#18 Oct 13, 2010
I think we've just been railroaded.
Choo Choo Charley

Grass Valley, CA

#19 Oct 13, 2010
Hmm. A quick search reveals some interesting info. Sierra Northern has only been in business for 7 years. They are strictly running an excursion business for tourists. The do not operate or manage ANY commuter railways. The trains they run are The Sacramento River Train (9 excursions a month), The Sierra Railroad Dinner Train (6 excursions a month), and The Skunk Train (daily excursions near Fort Bragg). The Skunk Train is similar to Roaring Camp. Will Sierra put forth a plan to compete with Roaring Camp, since that's what they do?

This all looks like a strictly tourist and excursion based business. Nowhere in their company profile is anything mentioned about commuter railways.
google this

Buena Park, CA

#20 Oct 13, 2010
Choo Choo Charley wrote:
Does anyone know anything about Mendocino Railway?
Apparently the agreement states that Sierra can assign the "Tourist Services" to a third party, Mendocino Railway.
Skunk Train.

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