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“Isn’t that what it’s supposed to be,‘We, the people?’” he added.“Over the past few years you’ve seen this growing…People are getting sick and tired of federal power.”

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Nice try.
Do they routinely do frontal lobotomies on Right Wing Planet, or are you actually so insipidly ignorant as to believe your own post.
I say... Right Wing Wacko Bush arranged to fly the family of the terrorists safely out of American air space.
You say .. Your a liar !!!
I post the portions of the interview with the Saudi ambassador who confirms that RWW Bush did just that.
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I also post the interview with one of the participants who worked with the FBI, the White House, and local police, to do just that.
You see, on Planet Earth that means you owe me an apology because I made you eat your words.
You look foolish and uninformed.
Worse, you look ignorant because after all this time you still haven't grasped that everything fact I post is documented.
Now stop appearing more foolish than you need to be, and just accept your error, apologize and move on.
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And I won't bother prove the silliness of attacking the facts that the last two Right Wing Wacko Presidents respectively tripled, and doubled the deficit.
Oh, we are all so impressed the ambassador spoke in such loving terms about bin Ladens close friend and business partners, Bush and Cheney, who had just protected the family of the terrorists who blew up the WTC
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No liar here, but your story seems to be undergoing revision, like a good little Democrat.
Let's look again at your most egregious claim (from post #19962)- you say Bush allowed the bin Ladens to blow up the WWC and supplied a military escort out of the country. There are three problems in that one premise:
1. How did Bush ALLOW the WWC to be blown up? The word allow implies direct knowledge of with no intent to stop an action- and your evidence of this is....?
2. bin Ladens (plural)- No - one individual within the bin Laden family, from which he is estranged, orchestrated a terroristic plot. Where is your evidence that other members of the family living in the US were involved. As stated they were supervised and questioned by the FBI, no evidence was found that could justify holding them and they were allowed to get on the Saudi chartered planes home.
3. No "military jet escort" out of the US was involved, as you claimed there was. Unger's main claim in the entire article is that the Saudis were allowed to leave before the airports were reopened - that is false. So the rest of his article is worthless.
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You really need to give up on this. The only one looking foolish and uninformed is you. Get over Bush. He hasn't been in office for over 4 years. And let's look at our national fiscal position again. You love to talk about the deficit and ignore the national debt. However, most economists will tell you that the debt figure is the better indicator of the nation's fiscal health.

"The debt affects the deficit in three ways. First, the debt actually gives a better indication of the true deficit each year. You can more accurately gauge the deficit by comparing each year's debt to last year's debt. That's because the budget deficit, as reported in each year's budget, does not include the amount owed to the Social Security Fund. However, this is a debt that will need to be repaid one day, and so the amount borrowed from it is a more accurate description of each year's government liabilities than the reported budget deficit.(Source: St. Louise Federal Reserve, Deficit, Debts and Trust Funds, August 2006)"

So let's look at the actual debt. It grew under Bush $4.9 trillion in his 8 years in office - we fiscal conservatives were appalled at that, of course, we had no idea what was coming under Obama. In the first 4 years alone of Obama's presidency that debt has grown another $6 trillion. That's a 50% higher increase in the national debt in half the time period. And you consider that something to brag about, really???

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Informed Opinion wrote:
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Nice try.
Do they routinely do frontal lobotomies on Right Wing Planet, or are you actually so insipidly ignorant as to believe your own post.
I say... Right Wing Wacko Bush arranged to fly the family of the terrorists safely out of American air space.
You say .. Your a liar !!!
I post the portions of the interview with the Saudi ambassador who confirms that RWW Bush did just that.
and
I also post the interview with one of the participants who worked with the FBI, the White House, and local police, to do just that.
You see, on Planet Earth that means you owe me an apology because I made you eat your words.
You look foolish and uninformed.
Worse, you look ignorant because after all this time you still haven't grasped that everything fact I post is documented.
Now stop appearing more foolish than you need to be, and just accept your error, apologize and move on.
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And I won't bother prove the silliness of attacking the facts that the last two Right Wing Wacko Presidents respectively tripled, and doubled the deficit.
Oh, we are all so impressed the ambassador spoke in such loving terms about bin Ladens close friend and business partners, Bush and Cheney, who had just protected the family of the terrorists who blew up the WTC
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No liar here, but your story seems to be undergoing revision, like a good little Democrat.
Let's look again at your most egregious claim (from post #19962)- you say Bush allowed the bin Ladens to blow up the WWC and supplied a military escort out of the country. There are three problems in that one premise:
1. How did Bush ALLOW the WWC to be blown up? The word allow implies direct knowledge of with no intent to stop an action- and your evidence of this is....?
2. bin Ladens (plural)- No - one individual within the bin Laden family, from which he is estranged, orchestrated a terroristic plot. Where is your evidence that other members of the family living in the US were involved. As stated they were supervised and questioned by the FBI, no evidence was found that could justify holding them and they were allowed to get on the Saudi chartered planes home.
3. No "military jet escort" out of the US was involved, as you claimed there was. Unger's main claim in the entire article is that the Saudis were allowed to leave before the airports were reopened - that is false. So the rest of his article is worthless.
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You really need to give up on this. The only one looking foolish and uninformed is you. Get over Bush. He hasn't been in office for over 4 years. And let's look at our national fiscal position again. You love to talk about the deficit and ignore the national debt. However, most economists will tell you that the debt figure is the better indicator of the nation's fiscal health.

"The debt affects the deficit in three ways. First, the debt actually gives a better indication of the true deficit each year. You can more accurately gauge the deficit by comparing each year's debt to last year's debt. That's because the budget deficit, as reported in each year's budget, does not include the amount owed to the Social Security Fund. However, this is a debt that will need to be repaid one day, and so the amount borrowed from it is a more accurate description of each year's government liabilities than the reported budget deficit.(Source: St. Louise Federal Reserve, Deficit, Debts and Trust Funds, August 2006)"

So let's look at the actual debt. It grew under Bush $4.9 trillion in his 8 years in office - we fiscal conservatives were appalled at that, of course, we had no idea what was coming under Obama. In the first 4 years alone of Obama's presidency that debt has grown another $6 trillion. That's a 50% higher increase in the national debt in half the time period. And you consider that something to brag about, really???
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Aggie23 wrote:
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No liar here, but your story seems to be undergoing revision, like a good little Democrat.
Let's look again at your most egregious claim (from post #19962)- you say Bush allowed the bin Ladens to blow up the WWC and supplied a military escort out of the country. There are three problems in that one premise:
1. How did Bush ALLOW the WWC to be blown up? The word allow implies direct knowledge of with no intent to stop an action- and your evidence of this is....?
2. bin Ladens (plural)- No - one individual within the bin Laden family, from which he is estranged, orchestrated a terroristic plot. Where is your evidence that other members of the family living in the US were involved. As stated they were supervised and questioned by the FBI, no evidence was found that could justify holding them and they were allowed to get on the Saudi chartered planes home.
3. No "military jet escort" out of the US was involved, as you claimed there was. Unger's main claim in the entire article is that the Saudis were allowed to leave before the airports were reopened - that is false. So the rest of his article is worthless.
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You really need to give up on this. The only one looking foolish and uninformed is you. Get over Bush. He hasn't been in office for over 4 years. And let's look at our national fiscal position again. You love to talk about the deficit and ignore the national debt. However, most economists will tell you that the debt figure is the better indicator of the nation's fiscal health.
"The debt affects the deficit in three ways. First, the debt actually gives a better indication of the true deficit each year. You can more accurately gauge the deficit by comparing each year's debt to last year's debt. That's because the budget deficit, as reported in each year's budget, does not include the amount owed to the Social Security Fund. However, this is a debt that will need to be repaid one day, and so the amount borrowed from it is a more accurate description of each year's government liabilities than the reported budget deficit.(Source: St. Louise Federal Reserve, Deficit, Debts and Trust Funds, August 2006)"
So let's look at the actual debt. It grew under Bush $4.9 trillion in his 8 years in office - we fiscal conservatives were appalled at that, of course, we had no idea what was coming under Obama. In the first 4 years alone of Obama's presidency that debt has grown another $6 trillion. That's a 50% higher increase in the national debt in half the time period. And you consider that something to brag about, really???

No sensible person believes him. A few might lean toward him, but not because they believe him, it's because he is a libroid like themselves, so they let him go on with his merry little stories that everyone knows is fabricated or so twisted that even he has trouble keeping his story straight.


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Informed Opinion wrote:
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Still waiting for any rebuttal to the facts presented.
But of course that will never come.
Still waiting for three major policy differences between Obama the Hated and Bush the Beloved.
But of course that will never come.
Still waiting for emphasis on important policies, instead of silly insignificant complaints.
But of course that will never come.
So.. We can only relax and enjoy the scenery, knowing that none will ever occur.
You don't consider Obamacare an important policy? You don't consider immigration reform (amnesty) an important policy? Well that explains a lot.

How are you coping with the internal conflict you must be experiencing now that your beloved unions are coming out against your equally beloved Obamacare provisions - you must be sporting quite a headache.

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Jul 27, 2013
 
My apologies for the double post, my internet connection glitched and I thought I lost the first one.
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<quoted text>Bush or Obama is does not matter. This has to stop. Enough is Enough. People like this don't know what Bush done and This will never be a Islam nation. We have to fix it for them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Agreed we need to fix it.

I just believe the key to fixing it is to not repeat what broke it.

This isn't rocket science and it's nit about ideologies. Some things just don't work, have never worked, and never will work. Those are the extremes.

America always works when we understand that Right Wing Wacko policies and Left Wing Wacko policies are Wacko policies - and they always lead to disaster.

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OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>Bush or Obama is does not matter. This has to stop. Enough is Enough. People like this don't know what Bush done and This will never be a Islam nation. We have to fix it for them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
That link was an outstanding way to show what is at stake. Thanks.
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I'm with this guy. Warning if you're easily offended Don't Watch.

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This guy calls himself the king of Commonsense. LoL.

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This guy is awesome. For real.

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What is wrong with white people. LoL.

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Agreed we need to fix it.
I just believe the key to fixing it is to not repeat what broke it.
This isn't rocket science and it's nit about ideologies. Some things just don't work, have never worked, and never will work. Those are the extremes.
America always works when we understand that Right Wing Wacko policies and Left Wing Wacko policies are Wacko policies - and they always lead to disaster.
Okay, serious question, no hidden agenda - what policies do you think need to be followed to get us out of this mess - regardless of what party you hold responsible for the current situation. Do you have a top three of policies you would institute if you had the power to do so? I am sincerely asking because I find your condemnation of both what you refer to as RWW and LWW policies interesting.
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<quoted text>No liar here, but your story something to brag about, really???
Fair enough - here's your answer.

1. I am simply using the same logic that blames Obama for Benghazi. If Obama is responsible, Bush is too. If we now want to agree that Obama and Bush were "victims" of circumstances - I'll agree to that.

2. The Saudi Dictatorship,(a part which is the bin Laden clan), are the primary financiers and supporters globally for the radical and violent Sunni Wahhabi Muslims, and Al Queda.

The Saudis continue to financially and logistically support the Wahhabis,, Al Queda and the Taliban, in a Faustian bargain to get the Radicals to leave the Saudi Dictatorship alone.

While claiming the need to kidnap, detain, and torture, sometimes torture people to death, those close to terrorists, to claim noncustodial interviews of actual family members and associates of the person who recruited, sponsored, trained, and supervised 09/11, is nonsensical.

Let's face it - money and power talk.

3. Your argument about the planes of course surrenders the point that the White House authorized the Saudis (the country that actually sponsored the terrorists), and the bin Ladens specifically, to fly their jets home, at the same time all private planes in U.S. airspace were grounded unless monitored by military air traffic control and Air Force Fighters at the time.

4. A history teacher at The Citadel once told a group of us:

- History is about failure and success;
- Smart People learn from their mistakes;
- Really Smart People learn for other people's mistakes;
- Really, Really Smart People learn from their's and other people's mistakes and successes; and
- Idiots don't care about history.

Every time I see a post where someone wants to repeat the lunacy that was our last 2 Right Wing Wacko administrations - I try to point out that Really Really Smart People learn from history and ....

5. First, effect of the debt on deficits is interesting, but not related to my post.

By the way - you miss the best argument of all, for Right Wingers, that being that much of the cut in the Bush deficit Obama has achieved results from the low interest rates save Obama a ton of money, that otherwise would be addled to the deficit, because it costs less to finance the debt

As to the debt itself-
Obviously deficits and debt can be measured using raw numbers, "equivalent" numbers (value in 2013 Dollars); you can use "adjusted" numbers (returning "including off-budget debt), or you can use percentage of GNP with raw, equivalent, or adjusted numbers.

Having said all that, the point is simple- Right Wingers - despite all their hot air- in modern history - have never balanced the budget, and using raw numbers, Reagan tripled the deficit, and Bush took us from a balanced budget to a $ 1.4 Trillion Dollar annual deficit, and doubled the debt.

All this is simply to try to get some reality back into the discussion. Right Wingers, having failed to do so, cannot claim to be financially better at managing the budget than Left Wingers, so they should just stop making the lunatic and false claim.

Every rational objective measure of economic circumstances demonstrates Obama has been a million times better for the economy than Bush. If Obama doubles the debt, he'll equal Bush on that and he'll still have been proven better by all other measures, especially since he inherited the Great Recession and three wars.

Obama should be impeached, arrested, tried for war crimes, and imprisoned, and Bush should share his cell, but not because he is worse than Bush - but because he is too much like Bush.

is financed primarily with Saudi money. Saudi money sponsors Sunni Wahhabi Muslims - the most radical and violent sect. The bin Ladens violent Much if that money from the bin Ladens. That is hardly surprising since the
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Where wrote:
<quoted text>No sensible person believes him. A few might lean toward him, but not because they believe him, it's because he is a libroid like themselves, so they let him go on with his merry little stories that everyone knows is fabricated or so twisted that even he has trouble keeping his story straight.
Nice try.

Want again to read the CBO deficit numbers again ?

Want again to read the CBO debt numbers again ?

Want again to read the Saudi Ambassador and the participants statements about the Saudi flying out while Americans remained grounded ?

Want again to see proof that the Saudis were responsible for 09/11 and that Bush invaded Iraq, not Saudi Arabia ?

Want again to read the Dow Jones average in 2008 and 2013 ?

Want again to see the corporate profit numbers for 2008 and 2013 ?

Want again to read the number of drone strikes and Muslims killed by Bush vs. those killed by Obama ?

Is there no end to the embarrassment you wish to ensure ?
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Just forget it then.

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Fair enough - here's your answer.
1. I am simply using the same logic that blames Obama for Benghazi....
2. The Saudi Dictatorship,(a part which is the bin Laden clan), are the primary financiers and supporters globally for the radical and violent Sunni Wahhabi Muslims, and Al Queda.
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3. Your argument about the planes of course surrenders the point that the White House authorized the Saudis (the country that actually sponsored the terrorists), and the bin Ladens specifically, to fly their jets home, at the same time all private planes in U.S. airspace were grounded unless monitored by military air traffic control and Air Force Fighters at the time.
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5. First, effect of the debt on deficits is interesting, but not related to my post.
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Obama should be impeached, arrested, tried for war crimes, and imprisoned, and Bush should share his cell, but not because he is worse than Bush - but because he is too much like Bush.
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1. I really do not see how you can possibly compare 9/11 to Benghazi - Had the "wall" preventing the CIA and FBI from sharing information not been instituted during the Clinton administration, perhaps those organizations might have put enough pieces together to have stopped the attack, but Bush cannot be held responsible for that. In contrast, Stephens was sent to the consulate in Benghazi that was known to be vulnerable to attack, requests for additional security were denied by the Obama administration, once the attack occurred military assets that were ready to go were told to stand down. And finally, the administration put out a false narrative about a video that the administration knew was false from the beginning but continued with the fiction for weeks. Where is the similarity?

2. I presume you are basing this charge on a Secretary of State memo released through the Wikileaks situation. That may or may not be true, but I fail to see the relevance unless one accepts your nonsense about Bush "allowing" 9/11.

3.FALSE - for the third time, air traffic was resumed on the 13th, the Saudis left on the 13th. There is nothing there. By the way, they weren't jets that were used, a little point, but still wrong.

4. If only the Left would learn from history - the War on Poverty shows that throwing more money at the problem using misguided programs doesn't work, and yet the Left's answer is always "we just haven't spent enough" and they continue that lunacy with education as another example.

5. You're playing word games with the debt/deficit issue. Bottom line is Bush increased the debt by $4.9 trillion in 8 years, Obama has increased it another $6 trillion in 4. That is fiscally irresponsible in any way you wish to look at it. In addition, last year was the first year that the debt exceeded 100% of GDP.

Finally, again you claim Obama's problem is he is too much like Bush. There is no point in even trying to break through that wall.
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I bet this woman would be ashamed of Obama.
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I bet this woman would be ashamed of Obama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
I almost posted that earlier. I presume you saw it the same place I did, on the side from the link you posted of that adorable little girl reciting the Pledge and My Country Tis of Thee. It highlights an embarrassing and deplorable facet of our history, but at the same time confirms how far we have come.
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Aggie23 wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Nice try, but you missed the target - again. Your principle weapons are hyperbole, projection and the much beloved straw man. Your so-called facts have been refuted time and time again with no evidence that the truth has penetrated your fog, so most of us just ignore you until the impulse hits to swat you down again.

Just remember, very few here take you seriously anymore. You do have your mutual admiration society of two with oh my, and maybe that is sufficient. But anytime you want to stop with the nonsense and actually participate in a reasoned discussion, I'm sure many of us will engage.
Too funny, coming from an out-of-context cherry picker of articles, "facts", and above the fray concern.

Speaking of mutual admiration societies,

...there's Synergy who posts fact free laced with personal attacks and cites main stream sites only when it supports a position, otherwise those sites can't be trusted.

...then there's OMTE who's been on an Obama is a Muslim Terrorist rant for more than a week and now is venturing into End-Times Prophecy, but Thank God those posts are not repetative adnausem.

...then there's Big Dave who see a communist conspiracy lurking behind every tree and wonders why it's US policy to support Muslim countires when EVREYONE knows that most of the terrorists (today) are Muslim.

...and how could we forget the Master of Name Changes, Who What When Where Why and it's all just oh so Boring who's been proven wrong so many times that its credibility is in the realm of negative numbers.

Please tell us more about the use of hyperbole, projection, and strawman arguments, y'all have the techniques down pat.

Oh, wait, let's just declare success and move on to the next topic, that's how y'all proceeded time and time and time again.

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