Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#20034 Jul 27, 2013
Where wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Dave, you said
"I dare say if you get to investigating electromagnetic ELF waves that you will find things that you never thought could exist."
I went and read the link of this post and it's far out. I hope this is not what you meant.
Then again, it might explain some of Obama supporters minds being controlled.
I know it sounds crazy but the Russians have been, since the 1950s, and now lately the U.S. Government have been experimenting with using ELF waves on human brains. They want the military use of mind control. If it wasn't feasible they wouldn't have keep on experimenting with it for so many years.
As crazy as it sounds The function of the human brain waves can be altered by ELF waves from 3HZ to 30HZ.
There are a lot of conspiracy web sites that will say anything but you can go to legitimate scientific sites and gain a lot of knowledge. Believe this. There is a lot more going on with electromagnetic devices than you would like to believe. I will not discuss this subject any further with anyone on the web.
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#20035 Jul 27, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Didn't President Eisenhower warn America about the Defense industry?
Public Papers of the Presidents, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1960, p. 1035- 1040

My fellow Americans:

Three days from now, after half a century in the service of our country, I shall lay down the responsibilities of office as, in traditional and solemn ceremony, the authority of the Presidency is vested in my successor.

This evening I come to you with a message of leave-taking and farewell, and to share a few final thoughts with you, my countrymen.

.... This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

... We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

... Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative. Together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#20036 Jul 27, 2013
Where wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, thought you were referring to me.
No I was replying to Mr. Haarp. But the more you learn the more afraid you will become. Most people just have no idea of how far technology has come. I have found out that people will scoff at anything they are afraid of or do not understand. You have only uncovered the very tip of a huge iceberg.
Informed Opinion

Fort Myers, FL

#20037 Jul 27, 2013
Where wrote:
<quoted text>The reason I wonder is if there is one, we could run IO through it and erase all his faulty memory and start anew.
Of course the humming might leave him deaf.
Wait, he's already deaf.
Still waiting for any rebuttal to the facts presented.

But of course that will never come.

Still waiting for three major policy differences between Obama the Hated and Bush the Beloved.

But of course that will never come.

Still waiting for emphasis on important policies, instead of silly insignificant complaints.

But of course that will never come.

So.. We can only relax and enjoy the scenery, knowing that none will ever occur.
Informed Opinion

Fort Myers, FL

#20038 Jul 27, 2013
THE NEW YORKER
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July 11, 2013
TEXAS WEIGHS BAN ON WOMEN

POSTED BY ANDY BOROWITZ

AUSTIN (The Borowitz Report)—Republican lawmakers in the Texas State Senate are proposing a precedent-setting new bill that would make it illegal for women to live in the state.

Senator Harland Dorrinson, one of the many pro-life lawmakers backing the woman ban, crafted his bill after witnessing Senator Wendy Davis filibuster an anti-abortion bill last month.

“That was our moment to say,‘Enough is enough,’” he said.“This comes down to a choice between life and women, and we choose life.”

Senator Dorrinson said his bill would call for a twenty-foot woman-proof fence to be constructed along the borders of the state.

“Women are great at talking, but not at climbing,” he observed.

But another G.O.P. state senator, Cal Jamson, believes that the total ban on women goes “too far” and is proposing a less draconian bill that would allow some women to remain in the state as guest workers.

“Texas needs women to cook, clean, and cheerlead,” he said.“If they show that they can do those things and stay out of politics, there could be a pathway to citizenship.”
OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#20039 Jul 27, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Now, now... Its not about me, it's about the country.
I actually share a lot of your beliefs, but by claiming outrage over Obama, and satisfaction with his predecessor - when both are engaged in exactly the same things - destroys the legitimacy of the argument.
If you attack one, you have to attack the other; otherwise, the attack on Obama simply loses credibility.
By identifying, through objective data, that her is no substantial policy difference between the two, except perhaps Bush shredded the Constitution with the power of the Far Right, and Obama shreds the Constitution with the power of the moderates and liberals.
When its actually the policies that are attacked, instead of the person, credibility soars.
Bush or Obama is does not matter. This has to stop. Enough is Enough. People like this don't know what Bush done and This will never be a Islam nation. We have to fix it for them.

“Marble Man”

Since: Jul 11

Dallas, GA

#20040 Jul 27, 2013
Isnt that what its supposed to be,We, the people? he added.Over the past few years youve seen this growingPeople are getting sick and tired of federal power.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/states-...

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#20041 Jul 27, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice try.
Do they routinely do frontal lobotomies on Right Wing Planet, or are you actually so insipidly ignorant as to believe your own post.
I say... Right Wing Wacko Bush arranged to fly the family of the terrorists safely out of American air space.
You say .. Your a liar !!!
I post the portions of the interview with the Saudi ambassador who confirms that RWW Bush did just that.
and
I also post the interview with one of the participants who worked with the FBI, the White House, and local police, to do just that.
You see, on Planet Earth that means you owe me an apology because I made you eat your words.
You look foolish and uninformed.
Worse, you look ignorant because after all this time you still haven't grasped that everything fact I post is documented.
Now stop appearing more foolish than you need to be, and just accept your error, apologize and move on.
....
And I won't bother prove the silliness of attacking the facts that the last two Right Wing Wacko Presidents respectively tripled, and doubled the deficit.
Oh, we are all so impressed the ambassador spoke in such loving terms about bin Ladens close friend and business partners, Bush and Cheney, who had just protected the family of the terrorists who blew up the WTC
(deleted for space)
No liar here, but your story seems to be undergoing revision, like a good little Democrat.
Let's look again at your most egregious claim (from post #19962)- you say Bush allowed the bin Ladens to blow up the WWC and supplied a military escort out of the country. There are three problems in that one premise:
1. How did Bush ALLOW the WWC to be blown up? The word allow implies direct knowledge of with no intent to stop an action- and your evidence of this is....?
2. bin Ladens (plural)- No - one individual within the bin Laden family, from which he is estranged, orchestrated a terroristic plot. Where is your evidence that other members of the family living in the US were involved. As stated they were supervised and questioned by the FBI, no evidence was found that could justify holding them and they were allowed to get on the Saudi chartered planes home.
3. No "military jet escort" out of the US was involved, as you claimed there was. Unger's main claim in the entire article is that the Saudis were allowed to leave before the airports were reopened - that is false. So the rest of his article is worthless.
===
You really need to give up on this. The only one looking foolish and uninformed is you. Get over Bush. He hasn't been in office for over 4 years. And let's look at our national fiscal position again. You love to talk about the deficit and ignore the national debt. However, most economists will tell you that the debt figure is the better indicator of the nation's fiscal health.

"The debt affects the deficit in three ways. First, the debt actually gives a better indication of the true deficit each year. You can more accurately gauge the deficit by comparing each year's debt to last year's debt. That's because the budget deficit, as reported in each year's budget, does not include the amount owed to the Social Security Fund. However, this is a debt that will need to be repaid one day, and so the amount borrowed from it is a more accurate description of each year's government liabilities than the reported budget deficit.(Source: St. Louise Federal Reserve, Deficit, Debts and Trust Funds, August 2006)"

So let's look at the actual debt. It grew under Bush $4.9 trillion in his 8 years in office - we fiscal conservatives were appalled at that, of course, we had no idea what was coming under Obama. In the first 4 years alone of Obama's presidency that debt has grown another $6 trillion. That's a 50% higher increase in the national debt in half the time period. And you consider that something to brag about, really???

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#20042 Jul 27, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice try.
Do they routinely do frontal lobotomies on Right Wing Planet, or are you actually so insipidly ignorant as to believe your own post.
I say... Right Wing Wacko Bush arranged to fly the family of the terrorists safely out of American air space.
You say .. Your a liar !!!
I post the portions of the interview with the Saudi ambassador who confirms that RWW Bush did just that.
and
I also post the interview with one of the participants who worked with the FBI, the White House, and local police, to do just that.
You see, on Planet Earth that means you owe me an apology because I made you eat your words.
You look foolish and uninformed.
Worse, you look ignorant because after all this time you still haven't grasped that everything fact I post is documented.
Now stop appearing more foolish than you need to be, and just accept your error, apologize and move on.
....
And I won't bother prove the silliness of attacking the facts that the last two Right Wing Wacko Presidents respectively tripled, and doubled the deficit.
Oh, we are all so impressed the ambassador spoke in such loving terms about bin Ladens close friend and business partners, Bush and Cheney, who had just protected the family of the terrorists who blew up the WTC
(deleted for space)
No liar here, but your story seems to be undergoing revision, like a good little Democrat.
Let's look again at your most egregious claim (from post #19962)- you say Bush allowed the bin Ladens to blow up the WWC and supplied a military escort out of the country. There are three problems in that one premise:
1. How did Bush ALLOW the WWC to be blown up? The word allow implies direct knowledge of with no intent to stop an action- and your evidence of this is....?
2. bin Ladens (plural)- No - one individual within the bin Laden family, from which he is estranged, orchestrated a terroristic plot. Where is your evidence that other members of the family living in the US were involved. As stated they were supervised and questioned by the FBI, no evidence was found that could justify holding them and they were allowed to get on the Saudi chartered planes home.
3. No "military jet escort" out of the US was involved, as you claimed there was. Unger's main claim in the entire article is that the Saudis were allowed to leave before the airports were reopened - that is false. So the rest of his article is worthless.
====
You really need to give up on this. The only one looking foolish and uninformed is you. Get over Bush. He hasn't been in office for over 4 years. And let's look at our national fiscal position again. You love to talk about the deficit and ignore the national debt. However, most economists will tell you that the debt figure is the better indicator of the nation's fiscal health.

"The debt affects the deficit in three ways. First, the debt actually gives a better indication of the true deficit each year. You can more accurately gauge the deficit by comparing each year's debt to last year's debt. That's because the budget deficit, as reported in each year's budget, does not include the amount owed to the Social Security Fund. However, this is a debt that will need to be repaid one day, and so the amount borrowed from it is a more accurate description of each year's government liabilities than the reported budget deficit.(Source: St. Louise Federal Reserve, Deficit, Debts and Trust Funds, August 2006)"

So let's look at the actual debt. It grew under Bush $4.9 trillion in his 8 years in office - we fiscal conservatives were appalled at that, of course, we had no idea what was coming under Obama. In the first 4 years alone of Obama's presidency that debt has grown another $6 trillion. That's a 50% higher increase in the national debt in half the time period. And you consider that something to brag about, really???
Where

Cleveland, GA

#20043 Jul 27, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
No liar here, but your story seems to be undergoing revision, like a good little Democrat.
Let's look again at your most egregious claim (from post #19962)- you say Bush allowed the bin Ladens to blow up the WWC and supplied a military escort out of the country. There are three problems in that one premise:
1. How did Bush ALLOW the WWC to be blown up? The word allow implies direct knowledge of with no intent to stop an action- and your evidence of this is....?
2. bin Ladens (plural)- No - one individual within the bin Laden family, from which he is estranged, orchestrated a terroristic plot. Where is your evidence that other members of the family living in the US were involved. As stated they were supervised and questioned by the FBI, no evidence was found that could justify holding them and they were allowed to get on the Saudi chartered planes home.
3. No "military jet escort" out of the US was involved, as you claimed there was. Unger's main claim in the entire article is that the Saudis were allowed to leave before the airports were reopened - that is false. So the rest of his article is worthless.
===
You really need to give up on this. The only one looking foolish and uninformed is you. Get over Bush. He hasn't been in office for over 4 years. And let's look at our national fiscal position again. You love to talk about the deficit and ignore the national debt. However, most economists will tell you that the debt figure is the better indicator of the nation's fiscal health.
"The debt affects the deficit in three ways. First, the debt actually gives a better indication of the true deficit each year. You can more accurately gauge the deficit by comparing each year's debt to last year's debt. That's because the budget deficit, as reported in each year's budget, does not include the amount owed to the Social Security Fund. However, this is a debt that will need to be repaid one day, and so the amount borrowed from it is a more accurate description of each year's government liabilities than the reported budget deficit.(Source: St. Louise Federal Reserve, Deficit, Debts and Trust Funds, August 2006)"
So let's look at the actual debt. It grew under Bush $4.9 trillion in his 8 years in office - we fiscal conservatives were appalled at that, of course, we had no idea what was coming under Obama. In the first 4 years alone of Obama's presidency that debt has grown another $6 trillion. That's a 50% higher increase in the national debt in half the time period. And you consider that something to brag about, really???

No sensible person believes him. A few might lean toward him, but not because they believe him, it's because he is a libroid like themselves, so they let him go on with his merry little stories that everyone knows is fabricated or so twisted that even he has trouble keeping his story straight.


Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#20044 Jul 27, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Still waiting for any rebuttal to the facts presented.
But of course that will never come.
Still waiting for three major policy differences between Obama the Hated and Bush the Beloved.
But of course that will never come.
Still waiting for emphasis on important policies, instead of silly insignificant complaints.
But of course that will never come.
So.. We can only relax and enjoy the scenery, knowing that none will ever occur.
You don't consider Obamacare an important policy? You don't consider immigration reform (amnesty) an important policy? Well that explains a lot.

How are you coping with the internal conflict you must be experiencing now that your beloved unions are coming out against your equally beloved Obamacare provisions - you must be sporting quite a headache.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#20045 Jul 27, 2013
My apologies for the double post, my internet connection glitched and I thought I lost the first one.
Informed Opinion

Fort Myers, FL

#20046 Jul 27, 2013
OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>Bush or Obama is does not matter. This has to stop. Enough is Enough. People like this don't know what Bush done and This will never be a Islam nation. We have to fix it for them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =oWipfOKqVwUXX
Agreed we need to fix it.

I just believe the key to fixing it is to not repeat what broke it.

This isn't rocket science and it's nit about ideologies. Some things just don't work, have never worked, and never will work. Those are the extremes.

America always works when we understand that Right Wing Wacko policies and Left Wing Wacko policies are Wacko policies - and they always lead to disaster.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#20047 Jul 27, 2013
OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>Bush or Obama is does not matter. This has to stop. Enough is Enough. People like this don't know what Bush done and This will never be a Islam nation. We have to fix it for them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =oWipfOKqVwUXX
That link was an outstanding way to show what is at stake. Thanks.
OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#20048 Jul 27, 2013
I'm with this guy. Warning if you're easily offended Don't Watch.

OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#20049 Jul 27, 2013
This guy calls himself the king of Commonsense. LoL.

OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#20050 Jul 27, 2013
This guy is awesome. For real.

OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#20051 Jul 27, 2013
What is wrong with white people. LoL.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#20052 Jul 27, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Agreed we need to fix it.
I just believe the key to fixing it is to not repeat what broke it.
This isn't rocket science and it's nit about ideologies. Some things just don't work, have never worked, and never will work. Those are the extremes.
America always works when we understand that Right Wing Wacko policies and Left Wing Wacko policies are Wacko policies - and they always lead to disaster.
Okay, serious question, no hidden agenda - what policies do you think need to be followed to get us out of this mess - regardless of what party you hold responsible for the current situation. Do you have a top three of policies you would institute if you had the power to do so? I am sincerely asking because I find your condemnation of both what you refer to as RWW and LWW policies interesting.
Informed Opinion

Fort Myers, FL

#20053 Jul 27, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>No liar here, but your story something to brag about, really???
Fair enough - here's your answer.

1. I am simply using the same logic that blames Obama for Benghazi. If Obama is responsible, Bush is too. If we now want to agree that Obama and Bush were "victims" of circumstances - I'll agree to that.

2. The Saudi Dictatorship,(a part which is the bin Laden clan), are the primary financiers and supporters globally for the radical and violent Sunni Wahhabi Muslims, and Al Queda.

The Saudis continue to financially and logistically support the Wahhabis,, Al Queda and the Taliban, in a Faustian bargain to get the Radicals to leave the Saudi Dictatorship alone.

While claiming the need to kidnap, detain, and torture, sometimes torture people to death, those close to terrorists, to claim noncustodial interviews of actual family members and associates of the person who recruited, sponsored, trained, and supervised 09/11, is nonsensical.

Let's face it - money and power talk.

3. Your argument about the planes of course surrenders the point that the White House authorized the Saudis (the country that actually sponsored the terrorists), and the bin Ladens specifically, to fly their jets home, at the same time all private planes in U.S. airspace were grounded unless monitored by military air traffic control and Air Force Fighters at the time.

4. A history teacher at The Citadel once told a group of us:

- History is about failure and success;
- Smart People learn from their mistakes;
- Really Smart People learn for other people's mistakes;
- Really, Really Smart People learn from their's and other people's mistakes and successes; and
- Idiots don't care about history.

Every time I see a post where someone wants to repeat the lunacy that was our last 2 Right Wing Wacko administrations - I try to point out that Really Really Smart People learn from history and ....

5. First, effect of the debt on deficits is interesting, but not related to my post.

By the way - you miss the best argument of all, for Right Wingers, that being that much of the cut in the Bush deficit Obama has achieved results from the low interest rates save Obama a ton of money, that otherwise would be addled to the deficit, because it costs less to finance the debt

As to the debt itself-
Obviously deficits and debt can be measured using raw numbers, "equivalent" numbers (value in 2013 Dollars); you can use "adjusted" numbers (returning "including off-budget debt), or you can use percentage of GNP with raw, equivalent, or adjusted numbers.

Having said all that, the point is simple- Right Wingers - despite all their hot air- in modern history - have never balanced the budget, and using raw numbers, Reagan tripled the deficit, and Bush took us from a balanced budget to a $ 1.4 Trillion Dollar annual deficit, and doubled the debt.

All this is simply to try to get some reality back into the discussion. Right Wingers, having failed to do so, cannot claim to be financially better at managing the budget than Left Wingers, so they should just stop making the lunatic and false claim.

Every rational objective measure of economic circumstances demonstrates Obama has been a million times better for the economy than Bush. If Obama doubles the debt, he'll equal Bush on that and he'll still have been proven better by all other measures, especially since he inherited the Great Recession and three wars.

Obama should be impeached, arrested, tried for war crimes, and imprisoned, and Bush should share his cell, but not because he is worse than Bush - but because he is too much like Bush.

is financed primarily with Saudi money. Saudi money sponsors Sunni Wahhabi Muslims - the most radical and violent sect. The bin Ladens violent Much if that money from the bin Ladens. That is hardly surprising since the

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