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Nothing on earth or in our universe explains what we're dealing with from you.
Yes, something does. You're just not aware of logics existence.
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I didn't think there was such thing as a RICH DEMOCRAT.
Again, you find yourself working with false prejudicial preconceived notions rather than common sense and reality.

That leads to a lot of anger, incorrect assumptions, and illogical statements on your part.

You've heard the old saying? Garbage in--->>> Garbage out ?

That's what's wrong with a lot of RWW's. They're just poorly informed before they ever even START trying to think.

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ChicknButt wrote:
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Again, you find yourself working with false prejudicial preconceived notions rather than common sense and reality.
That leads to a lot of anger, incorrect assumptions, and illogical statements on your part.
You've heard the old saying? Garbage in--->>> Garbage out ?
That's what's wrong with a lot of RWW's. They're just poorly informed before they ever even START trying to think.
Oh, CB, that is a big old grapefruit you just pitched right down the middle, but, dang it, I'm subbing today and have to get to the school. If nobody else has taken a swing at it by this evening, I'll get back to ya.
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Oh, CB, that is a big old grapefruit you just pitched right down the middle, but, dang it, I'm subbing today and have to get to the school. If nobody else has taken a swing at it by this evening, I'll get back to ya.
LOL, I'm looking forward to hearing you defend that the world is 6,000 years old, that Bush isn't the primary cause of the deficit, that citizen welfare programs are a bigger problem than corporate welfare, all about how cutting taxes does anything other than make the rich richer, how trickle-down economics is beneficial to the middle-class, how climate change doesn't exist, and how deregulating big-business is just GREAT for the country. I'm also really looking forward to hearing about what a GREAT job our Republican-led House of Representatives is doing.

I AM really looking forward to this.:) It should be entertaining.
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<quoted text>First, you by no means "established the need for unions...".
Second, the fact that 93% of those in the private sector do not belong to a union sort of under cuts your argument completely.
Ah.... Another Right Wing Wacko with "Union Envy".

RWWs, because they don't have the courage and convictions necessary to organize and fight for their families' welfare, prefer to beg from their corporate masters like serfs to their feudal kings.

They are so jealous of union members enjoying higher wages, better benefits, nice pensions and job security, they just don't have the intestinal fortitude to fight for their rights. Serfdom is their lot in life.

Union membership is down because the corporate masters and their Right Wing Wackos serfs have joined forced to create "Right to Starve States".

Now the Right Wing Wackos get to starve.

We union members will continue to enjoy our decent wages, pensions, and benefits.
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<quoted text>The only BS posted here is by you yourself.
Wow - a Right Wing Wacko almost authored a comment that addressed the facts.

No .... Wait .... He didn't.

No surprise there.

RWWs just hate those pesky things called "facts" normal folks think are so important on Planet Earth.
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Synergy wrote:
This is interesting about Diane Feinstein's husband. I'm SURE it's on the up and up. Look at how much MONEY that loonie liberal socialist commie lunatic Feinstein is going to enjoy. I didn't think there was such thing as a RICH DEMOCRAT. What is the world coming to?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/blum....
Damn.. I'm sorry for you. Cheney and Halliburton must have made you go insane.

Cheney's Halliburton Made $39.5 Billion on Iraq War
By Angelo Young, International Business Times
20 March 13


The accounting of the financial cost of the nearly decade-long Iraq War will go on for years, but a recent analysis has shed light on the companies that made money off the war by providing support services as the privatization of what were former U.S. military operations rose to unprecedented levels.

Ten contractors received 52 percent of the funds, according to an analysis by the Financial Times that was published Tuesday.

The No. 1 recipient?

Houston-based energy-focused engineering and construction firm KBR, Inc.(NYSE:KBR), which was spun off from its parent, oilfield services provider Halliburton Co.(NYSE:HAL), in 2007.

The company was given $39.5 billion in Iraq-related contracts over the past decade, with many of the deals given without any bidding from competing firms, such as a $568-million contract renewal in 2010 to provide housing, meals, water and bathroom services to soldiers, a deal that led to a Justice Department lawsuit over alleged kickbacks, as reported by Bloomberg.

According to the bipartisan Commission on Wartime Contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan, the level of corruption by defense contractors may be as high as $60 billion. Disciplined soldiers that would traditionally do many of the tasks are commissioned by private and publicly listed companies.
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"By providing a naturalistic explanation of biological origins, evolution promotes atheism.
Although atheism might have been logically tenable before Charles Darwin, Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist. Richard Dawkins, 1986 - in response to your prior comment about what difference did it make what people 150 years ago thought about Darwin's theories
Only the religiously weak are threatened by the existence of someone, somewhere, believing something different. If you see Evolution as promoting Atheism that is a danger in your eyes only, conversely one might ask if everything must promote and acknowledge your god. Course what is being discussed here is what should be taught in Science class, must folks understand that Science deals with the natural world, and what can be observed and replicated in the natural world, not with spectral evidence.
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I do not see the relevance in your taking up so much space merely defining what the Cambrian explosion was, but to each their own.

While 5-10 million years is a virtually inconceivable amount of time for us, geologically it is not and when you recognize that mutation is virtually the result of the roll of genetic dice, most of which will not be successful, the amount of time reasonably required to result in the diversity found is staggering.
Well the relevance has to do with the amount of time that had transpired, for some it is a virtually inconceivable amount.

Course prior to the Cambrian Epoch there was still cellular life existing for thousands of millions of years, but it is the hard outter bodies of the Cambrian that left the hard evidence.

"the amount of time reasonably required to result in the diversity found is staggering."
And what would be the amount of time required, you offer no answer, how many generations of short-lived creatures are there in one year, or 100, or 100,000, or 1 million. As mutations creep into each generation, some beneficial and some not.

The hand of some nameless designer - god, wink-wink, nudge-nudge - is not required to propel events in a natural world.
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Ooooh, my. Al Gore is filthy rich!!!!! Another RICH DEMOCRAT????? Let's hear the outrage from the left wing loonies! I'll wait..........crickets.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/05...
You must want to imprison Cheney:

1992
Halliburton subsidiary Brown & Root is paid $9 million by the Pentagon (under Cheney's direction as Secretary of Defense) to produce a classified report detailing how private companies (like itself) could provide logistical support for American troops

The Pentagon awards Brown & Root a five-year contract to provide logistics for the U.S. Army Corp of Engineers.

The GAO estimates that through this contract, Brown & Root makes overall $2.2 billion in revenue in the Balkans.2

1995

Without any previous business experience, Cheney leaves the Department of Defense to become the CEO of Halliburton Co.

Halliburton moves up from 73rd to 18th on the Pentagon's list of top contractors.

The company garners $2.3 billion in U.S. government contracts, which almost doubles the $1.2 billion it earned from the government previously.

under Cheney's leadership the company also receives $1.5 billion worth of assistance from government-sponsored agencies such as OPIC (Overseas Private Investment Corporation) and the Export-Import Bank.

1997
March: The Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC), a U.S. government agency, helps Halliburton by providing "political risk insurance" worth up to $200 insurance.

The GAO (General Accounting Office), the auditing arm of Congress, reports that KBR overbilled the Army for costs associated with its work in Kosovo. It is revealed that the firm charged nearly $86 per sheet for plywood that it bought for $14.06.14 .

1998
Cheney oversees Halliburton's merger with Dresser Industries, one of the companies that helped Saddam Hussein rebuild Iraq's oil infrastructure after the First Gulf War, despite economic sanctions against Iraq.

1999

Halliburton's KBR division is re-hired by the military, after being fired in 1997, for a $180 million a year contract to supply U.S. forces in the Balkans with logistical support.

2000

August: Halliburton announces that it is giving Cheney a retirement package worth more than $33.7 million.

2001

KBR wins a $300-million exclusive contract to supply logistics to the Navy, providing services like cooking, construction, power generation and fuel transportation.

December: Kellogg, Brown & Root secures a 10-year deal with the Pentagon with no cost ceiling to provide support services to the Army.

2002

February: Kellogg, Brown & Root pays out $2 million to settle a lawsuit with the Justice Department, which alleged that the company defrauded the government.

The GAO launches lawsuits against Cheney because he refuses to turn over to Congress documents that reveal the identities of industry executives involved in the National Energy Strategy.

Brown and Root is awarded a $22 million deal to run support services at a military camp in Uzbekistan.

It is revealed that while Vice President Cheney was Halliburton, subsidiaries (Halliburton Products and Services Ltd.), incorporated in the Caiman Islands, is used since 2000 to get around sanctions on doing business in Iran.

At the same time, Halliburton's federal taxes dropped dramatically from $302 million in 1998 to an $85 million rebate in 1999.42

Despite these revelations, the company continues to be awarded massive government contracts, including a new 10-year deal with the Army with no lid on potential costs.

In the year 2002 alone, Brown & Root received $1.3 billion for services to the U.S. government.

November: Brown & Root begins a one-year contract, estimated at $42.5 million, to cover services for troops at bases in Bagram and Kandahar, Afghanistan.51

2003

Cont'd
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More from our Nice Right Wing Wacko/War Profiteer/War Criminal

Hey, there money to be made when American troops die.

Brown & Root begins a one-year contract, estimated at $42.5 million, to cover services for troops at bases in Bagram and Kandahar, Afghanistan.51

2003

January: The Wall Street Journal reports that Halliburton officials met informally with representatives of Vice President Cheney's office back in October to figure out how best to jumpstart Iraq's oil industry following a war.

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has secretly awarded a no-bid contract to KBR to extinguish oil well fires in Iraq. The contract has a huge cost ceiling of $7 billion, with additional fees of up to seven percent ($490 million).

Thousands of employees of Halliburton are working alongside U.S. troops in Kuwait and Turkey under a package deal worth close to a billion dollars. KBR is also supporting operations in Afghanistan, Djibouti, Georgia, Jordan and Uzbekistan. The overall anticipated cost of task orders awarded since the contract award in December 2001 (LOGCAP) is approximately $830 million.59

May 8: Halliburton admits having paid 2.4 millions of dollars in bribes to a Nigerian official in return for tax breaks.60

Sept. 14, 2003: On NBC's Meet the Press Cheney conveniently forgot to mention that he continues to receive from the company deferred salary of over $150,000 per year while maintaining 433,333 shares of unexercised stock options.

December 2003: The Defense Contract Audit Agency (DCAA) confirmed in a preliminary audit that Halliburton and a Kuwaiti firm, Altamnia, had overcharged the U.S. government by at least $61 million through Sept. 2003 for the cost of gasoline imported into Iraq.

January 17, 2004: The Army awards Halliburton subsidiary KBR a contract worth up to $1.2 billion to rebuild the oil industry in southern Iraq.

January 23, 2004: In Paris, a French judge warns that Cheney could be charged over allegations that Halliburton paid $180 million in bribes to build a Nigerian gas plant.

January 24, 2004: Halliburton admits two of its employees accepted a $6 million bribe in exchange for awarding Army subcontracts to a Kuwaiti-based company involved in rebuilding Iraq. Halliburton fired the employees.

January 25, 2004: CBS Television's 60 Minutes program shows how Halliburton does business with Iran even though U.S. law bans companies from doing business with the country.

January 26, 2004: New York City's controller accuses Halliburton of taking blood money from state sponsors of terrorism, such as Iran and Libya. Controller William Thompson - who oversees an $80 billion pension fund for city workers - says cops and firefighters are outraged that their retirement portfolios include stock in U.S. firms getting fat off contracts with rogue nations like Iran, which funds the terror groups Hezbollah and Hamas and is suspected of giving sanctuary to Al Qaeda leaders.

January 30, 2004: New York Times columnist, Bob Herbert, details how Halliburton evades U.S. taxes and export bans by establishing foreign subsidiaries.

HalliburtonÔŅĹs Wendy Hall admits the company paid only $15 million in taxes in 2002 even though the company earned $339 million in profits from continuing operations and $12.5 billion in total revenue.

January 2004: Halliburton discloses that a subsidiary paid a $2.4 million bribe to a Nigerian government official's business in exchange for favorable tax treatment.

January 2004: Cont'd
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What some have termed "transitional species" others have termed merely variants against a central type, seemingly more like analogous structures rather than those purportedly lining up in an evolutionary line.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC200.h...
There are many transitional fossils. The only way that the claim of their absence may be remotely justified, aside from ignoring the evidence completely, is to redefine "transitional" as referring to a fossil that is a direct ancestor of one organism and a direct descendant of another. However, direct lineages are not required; they could not be verified even if found. What a transitional fossil is, in keeping with what the theory of evolution predicts, is a fossil that shows a mosaic of features from an older and more recent organism.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC200_1...
Some important factors prevent the formation of fossils from being common...

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC201.h...
The idea that gradual change should appear throughout the fossil record is called phyletic gradualism. It is based on the following tenets:
- New species arise by the transformation of an ancestral population into its modified descendants.
- The transformation is even and slow.
- The transformation involves most or all of the ancestral population.
- The transformation occurs over most or all of the ancestral species' geographic range.

However, all but the first of these is false far more often that not. Studies of modern populations and incipient species show that new species arise mostly from the splitting of a small part of the original species into a new geographical area. The population genetics of small populations allow this new species to evolve relatively quickly. Its evolution may allow it to spread into new geographical areas. Since the actual transitions occur relatively quickly and in a relatively small area, the transitions do not often show up in the fossil record. Sudden appearance in the fossil record often simply reflects that an existing species moved into a new region.

Once species are well adapted to an environment, selective pressures tend to keep them that way. A change in the environment that alters the selective pressure would then end the "stasis" (or lead to extinction).

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC202.h...
Perfect knowledge is not necessary to verify a pattern. One does not need to watch Jupiter constantly for twelve years, without blinking, to verify that it orbits the sun. Common descent implies a pattern of gradual change and diversification through time. The hundreds of thousands of fossils which have been discovered are consistent with this pattern, and they are not consistent with any other pattern that has been proposed.(In particular, they rule out the possibility that all present life forms existed in essentially the same form throughout the history of life.) It is conceivable that fossils which have not been found might differ wildly from this pattern, just at it is conceivable that Jupiter might zigzag across the Solar System while we blinked, but there is no reason to think so.

A transitional fossil is simply a fossil which shows traits intermediate between two other fossils. Transitional fossils show likely relationships clearly, and they sometimes show details of how particular features arose. For example, the transitional fossils from reptiles to mammals show how the inner ear bones developed. Such patterns are shown whether the fossils are connected by direct ancestry or by another close relationship. And since we expect extinct side lineages to be common, we would have evidence against evolution if most transitional fossils were not from extinct side lineages.
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Francis Crick -, codiscoverer of the structure of DNA, had this brilliant response - that life on earth was seeded by aliens on another world - seriously - that was his answer. Interesting, he is willing to posit that spacemen exist, but not God - the only problem is that that begs the question - okay, who made the little green men. Infinite regress, anyone?

But we have had this discussion before, and I repeat, let's not hijack this political thread - I was merely responding to someone else's disparaging post and you joined in - My basic premise is the same, teach the theory of evolution and the theory of Intelligent Design - with their accompanying criticisms.
I contend that would be intellectually honest. I do not expect you to agree.
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Crick's book is about his proposition that life on Earth may have been the result of "directed panspermia." It should be noted that, in the book, he assumes that the aliens who he posits might be "seeding" the universe are, themselves, the product of evolution. In this quote, Crick is simply pointing out how, in the absence of evidence, the appearance of life on Earth might seem like a miracle. But he specifically admits that abiogenesis may have occurred on Earth as a result of ordinary chemical processes that require no resort to outside intelligence.

"My basic premise is the same, teach the theory of evolution and the theory of Intelligent Design"
Unfortunately they do no both represent Scientific Thought or the Scientific Method, regardless of how you capitalize the terms.
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I wish it were true that most liberals/progressives would join in, but that remains to be seen. I notice you did not mention the IRS targeting political "enemies" - that issue is actually one I think more of the American public can relate to and understand than the other issues.
But for some reason the American Public is not making the connection, perhaps it needs to be harped on more, or maybe the American Public understand exactly what was going on - the IRS was taking an inappropiate shortcut in identifying these groups for review.
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And the saga continues -

Remember all those Right Wing Wackos screaming for Cheney's head on a platter for lying us into a war, so he and his cronies could profit in Billions on the bodies of our troops ?

oh wait ....

January 24, 2004: Halliburton admits two of its employees accepted a $6 million bribe in exchange for awarding Army subcontracts to a Kuwaiti-based company involved in rebuilding Iraq. Halliburton fired the employees.

January 25, 2004: CBS Television's 60 Minutes program shows how Halliburton does business with Iran even though U.S. law bans companies from doing business with the country.

January 26, 2004: New York City's controller accuses Halliburton of taking blood money from state sponsors of terrorism, such as Iran and Libya. Controller William Thompson - who oversees an $80 billion pension fund for city workers.

January 30, 2004: New York Times columnist, Bob Herbert, details how Halliburton evades U.S. taxes and export bans by establishing foreign subsidiaries.

Halliburton's Wendy Hall admits the company paid only $15 million in taxes in 2002 even though the company earned $339 million in profits from continuing operations and $12.5 billion in total revenue.

January 2004: Halliburton discloses that a subsidiary paid a $2.4 million bribe to a Nigerian government official's business in exchange for favorable tax treatment.

January 2004: Halliburton begins an advertising campaign to improve its tarnished image with the public. A television spot running on CNN says Halliburton supplies hot meals, laundry and telephone links for soldiers in Iraq.

February: The Pentagon reports that Halliburton Company would repay the government for overcharges estimated at $27.4 million for meals served to American troops at five military bases in Iraq and Kuwait last year.

In one military camp in July 2003, KBR billed the government for an average 42,000 meals a day but served only 14,000 meals. Pentagon auditors found the overcharges during a routine audit of Halliburton.

March: As of March 1, 2004, KBR is awarded reconstruction work in Iraq and Afghanistan worth at least $3.9 billion.

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1 "Defending Liberty in a Global Economy", speech at the CATO Institute, http://www.cato.org/speeches/spdc062398.html , June 23, 1998

2 GAO report, http://www.gao.gov/archive/2000/ns00225.pdf , September 2002

3 Pratap Chatterjee, Dick Cheney: Soldier of Fortune, www.corpwatch.org , May 2, 2002

4 Knut Royce and Nathaniel Heller, Cheney Led Halliburton to Feast at Federal Trough, Center for Public Integrity, August 2, 2000

5 see note 20 below

6 William Baue, Pay Dirt or Payola? How Halliburton Strikes it Rich, http://www.socialfunds.com , April 11, 2003

7 The Houston Chronicle, July 15, 1995

8 Earthrights International, http://www.earthrights.org/halliburton/hallin...

9 William Bunch, Invading Iraq not a new idea for Bush clique, Philadelphia Daily News, January 27, 2003

10 John Rega, Government Ties Helped Cheney and Halliburton Make Millions, in: Bloomberg News, October 6, 2000 and OPIC press release, http://www.opic.gov/pressreleases/archive/pre...

11 ibid.

12 ibid.

13 Jason Leopold, Online Journal, http://www.onlinejournal.com , April 20, 2003

14 David Morris, Congress Daily, April 16, 2003 and GAO reports GAO/NSIAD-97-63 and GAONSIAD-00-225, http://www.gao.gov

15 Los Angeles Times, July 12, 2002

16 New-York Times, August 1, 2002

17 ibid.

18 Pratap Chatterjee, Dick Cheney: Soldier of Fortune, http://www.corpwatch.org , May 2, 2002

19 Robert Bryce, The Candidate from Brown and Root, in: The Texas Observer, October 6, 2000

20 Bloomberg News, October 6, 2000

21 Earthrights International, http://www.earthrights.org/halliburton/hallin...

22 Jeff Gerth, Van Natta Jr., In Tough Times a Company Finds Profits in Terror War, in: New York Times, August 13, 2002
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Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>But for some reason the American Public is not making the connection, perhaps it needs to be harped on more, or maybe the American Public understand exactly what was going on - the IRS was taking an inappropiate shortcut in identifying these groups for review.
God forbid an understaffed, underfunded, government agency use common sense to "target" likely offenders.

Why that makes too much sense.

Think our Right Wing Wacko friends will be just as outraged when the TSA "targets" the Muslim young man carrying his prayer rug onto a plane, having just purchased a one way ticket, with cash, while shouting about the "Infidels" occupying sacred and sovereign Muslim countries ?

Seems to me, as a voter, any organization who uses the "special" IRS codes to hide the identities of their contributors should be checked out - and if "targeting" makes it more efficient - have at it.

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See WHAT coming? I read the article. There's absolutely no point to it. He really isn't saying anything. He's a RWW physician from Missouri who wants to mouth off RWW language, again with no specific point. It's no big deal.
lol You'll see. I've no doubt of that.

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Want to fix that? How about voting for a Congress that doesn't block every single attempt to move the country ahead? There are real-world consequences to voting Republican. Real people suffer when you buy into the Republican insanity.
lol Good try. You voted for a failure......TWICE. Obama is so ineffective. Some Democrats don't even want to work with him.
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Informed Opinion wrote:
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...Seems to me, as a voter, any organization who uses the "special" IRS codes to hide the identities of their contributors should be checked out - and if "targeting" makes it more efficient - have at it.
The IRS controversy isnít about taxes. Itís about disclosure.
By Dylan Matthews, Published: May 21, 2013
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/...

At some level, the scandal around the IRSís targeting of conservative 501(c)4 groups has nothing to do with taxes. That may sound weird Ė 501(c)4 is a section of the Internal Revenue Code, the entire 501(c) section exists to list groups that are exempt from some federal taxes, the IRS is the tax man, etc.

But thereís no universe in which the groups in question are going to pay taxes. Think about it. Letís say they instead register as 527 groups, enabling them to make unlimited independent expenditures. Those organizations donít have to pay taxes on contributions they receive either. Or maybe they want to be super-PACs (which are 527s, technically, for tax purposes), which can spend unlimited amounts to openly support candidates. They donít pay taxes on contributions either.

Whatís more, neither super-PACs nor other 527s have to tell their donors that they may be required to pay gift tax on some of their donations. 501(c)4s, on the other hand, have to make that disclosure according to the Congressional Research Service. Even if, for some crazy reason, they filed as a for-profit C corporations, theyíd have to spend less than they take in to be eligible for any taxes. And political groups generally like to spend whatever they can get their hands on.

So why are these groups so eager to keep their 501(c)4 status if it, if anything, puts them at a disadvantage tax-wise? Itís simple: disclosure. 501(c)4s can accept unlimited donations and donít have to tell a soul from whence they came. 527s, including super-PACs, have to file quarterly reports disclosing donors. Thatís why so many super-PACs have attached 501(c)4s, which can collect unlimited donations and then donate them in turn to the super-PAC,

...Making all charitable groups 501(c)3s could open them to that kind of scrutiny, particularly for any that deal with controversial topics, which could be far worse than anything thatís happened in the current scandal.

Or the groups could become 527s. But thatís not ideal either. Itís easy to imagine that, in a climate of intolerance, people would be afraid to donate money to civil rights groups if it was clear those donations would become public, and their neighbors would know. Or, more generally, people could be deterred from donating to causes they believe in but which are unpopular in their area.

...But thatís a values judgment about the importance of disclosure in a democracy, rather than a technical question of who pays what in taxes. Some of the last weekís headlines might have led you to believe that thereís some controversy over whether tea party groups should have to pay taxes. There isnít. No one thinks they should. The dispute is over whether they should have to disclose their donors, as a legal matter and as a moral one.

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ChicknButt wrote:
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Again, you find yourself working with false prejudicial preconceived notions rather than common sense and reality.
That leads to a lot of anger, incorrect assumptions, and illogical statements on your part.
You've heard the old saying? Garbage in--->>> Garbage out ?
That's what's wrong with a lot of RWW's. They're just poorly informed before they ever even START trying to think.
Your first sentence sounds exactly like you left wing loonies.
lol Not even a good try. Can't deny it.

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