Money man

Blairsville, GA

#11628 May 17, 2013
BS Is Called wrote:
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What is the Democrats plan? What is wrong with the housing market? Homes are so much more affordable and interest rates are very low. What is wrong with the jobs market? The unemployment number keeps getting better.
Government can't do a blessed thing about the housing market when it comes right down to it, the same as they can't help the job market except to fund worthless projects at taxpayers expense (and the national debt).

The problem with housing is that borrowers are now required to be able to make payments and those who can have gone after the foreclosed homes. So have investors, to take advantage of the tax deductions deprecation offers so they can off-set other income.

With those houses now largely off the market, along with the people with a good credit rating, the cost of building new housing (material costs) is once again out through the roof - with no qualified buyers left.

To put it in simpler terms: a foreclosed house sells for, say,$200,000 but to build the exact same house, because of the cost for materials, it could cost as much as $300,000, maybe more! Adding to the problem, there are more people who can qualify for a $200,000 loan than can for one for $300,000. Another problem; houses no longer appreciate in value yet property taxes and maintenance cost continue to escalate. Want another one? Banks find it safer to invest in the stock market than in providing loans.

Now what in the hell can government do about that?
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#11629 May 17, 2013
THURSDAY, MAY 16, 2013 12:55 PM EDT
Joe Scarborough’s IRS hypocrisy
The MSNBC host is outraged about the Tea Party's treatment, but sought to "yank" NAACP's tax-exempt status in 2003
BY ALEX SEITZ-WALD
http://www.salon.com/2013/05/16/joe_scarborou...

This week, MSNBC host Joe Scarborough joined the chorus of those decrying the IRS for targeting Tea Party groups for extra scrutiny in applying for nonprofit status.“You can’t allow the government to tread on political speech,” Scarborough said.“The Internal Revenue Service — the taxman — to go after their political beliefs.… I can’t imagine much worse than this,” he added.

Targeting nonprofit groups because of their political beliefs is wrong — pretty much everyone agrees on that. So today’s Scarborough must be outraged by his 2003 self, which gave this monologue on his show “Scarborough Country” on July 13, 2003:

The leader of the NAACP bashes President Bush and the Republican Party. Why is this clearly partisan group still being funded by your tax dollars?[...]

[T]he NAACP continues to get a free ride off of taxpayers because of the tax-exempt status that’s conferred to them by our federal government, now, this despite the fact the NAACP produced and ran the most vicious campaign attack ad in the history of televised presidential campaign.[...]

As Americans, NAACP members are free to speak their mind any time, day or night. But they shouldn’t be getting a tax-free ride on the backs of hard-working Americans who don’t get such preferential treatment. President Bush and members of Congress should have the guts to yank the tax-exempt status away from these left-wing activists. And while they’re at it, take away the tax exempt status of any right-wing activist who thumb their noses at the law as brazenly as does the NAACP.

In a broad sense, Scarborough was right. Blatantly political groups should not be protected by a tax-exempt status that lets them conceal their donors (even official political groups, organized under section 527 of the tax code, are tax-exempt, but they are regulated by the FEC and have to disclose lots of information).

But at least the NAACP has a clear social mission outside of politics. It’s impossible to say the same of many of the 510(c)4 groups like the ones the IRS targeted. For instance, what does the Karl Rove-linked Crossroads GPS do aside from run ads attacking Democrats? Not much.

Ironically, Scarborough was trying to argue in his 2003 monologue that the IRS used a double standard in questioning the tax-exempt status of the Christian Coalition but not the NAACP. The IRS and the Christian-right group fought a protracted legal battle over its tax-exempt status, while the tax agency did open an investigation into the NAACP after the 2004 election.

In 2000, a number of lawmakers, including Scarborough, a former Florida Republican congressman, along with Sen. Susan Collins and former Sen. Strom Thurmond forwarded requests from constituents to the IRS asking that the agency look into the NAACP’s tax-exempt status. The lawmakers did not make the request themselves.
Danger zone

Decatur, GA

#11630 May 17, 2013
If I were a loyal Obama fan, I'd ask of him...Where are the 5 million shovel ready jobs you promised, where are those Green energy jobs you promised? You promised no more big government, yet the IRS grows & will grow even more as Obamacare is implemented, what happened to stopping government waste. Why are my insurance bhgpremiums rising when you said they wouldnt? Why will there be 30 million uninsured Americans, even with Obamacare?..... There are pages of questions needed to be asked of the current leader & administration, not of republicans. But, now let's ask, what is the republican plan.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#11631 May 17, 2013
Synergy wrote:
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It's curious that you would defend something so strongly that you know nothing about. Actually, it's very careless. Ah, well. To each his own.
+1

That's the "crux" of the "clueless and uneducated" comments. People talking about stuff they don't understand or care to understand. They just listen to (and regurgitate) the liberace talking points, the majority of what the don't understand.

That being said, imagine how vacant this thread would be if people only posted about what they know or was actually true...

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#11632 May 17, 2013
Oh my wrote:
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While my statement was off by a bit, not quite 20-years, I'll let the election results speak for themselves.
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html
Percentage Voting Republican in Presidential Election 1996-2012
Gilmer: 49.1, 67.04, 74.04, 75.17, 80.76
Fannin: 48.7, 65.11, 70.99, 73.35, 78.10
Union: 48.7, 65.66, 74.20, 74.96, 78.97
Towns: 48.6, 64.53, 72.41, 74.46, 78.09
Percentage Voting Republican in Gubinatorial Election 1994-2010
Gilmer: 56.0, 53.4, 65.72, 71.29, 76.35
Fannin: 51.9, 53.3, 63.21, 70.08, 72.63
Union: 44.5, 43.4, 60.40, 71.00, 70.89
Towns: 40.4, 47.3, 56.78, 71.91, 71.55
Yep, 4 counties in GA (our of what, 159?) provides an accurate statistical sample...
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#11633 May 17, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
From 2010, when the IRS started profiling, the IRS received 7,357 applications.

The IRS And The Tea Party: Probe Finds Big Bungling But Scant Fuel For Scandal
http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2013/05/1...
...Yet, despite dark conspiracy theories, TIGTA found no evidence of political meddling. Despite allegations that the agency singled out tea party groups for special scrutiny, of the nearly 300 cases the IRS labeled potentially political, only one-third were identified as tea party or other conservative organizations. And not one of those 300 cases, including the conservative groups, had its application for tax-exempt status denied, though some are still pending.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
President Barack Obama said the agency's misconduct was "inexcusable."
"Americans have a right to be angry about it, and I'm angry about it," Obama said.
"It should not matter what political stripe you're from. The fact of the matter is, the IRS has to operate with absolute integrity," the president said.

And yet here you are continuing to cling to one columnist's opinion as though it's your life preserver. And I addressed the points you repeated and showed them to be inaccurate or misleading. But that's okay, you keep living in your delusional little dream world that sees no danger in what is probably the most powerful government agency going after those who "criticize the government." -that was one of the phrases those "impartial" IRS employees were instructed to look for, after all. Instead of reading a columnist's opinion, why don't you read the IG report? Nah, you'll just look at it and say "nothing here, nothing here."
The agency's action was "inexcusable", I've never denied this.

The IG report made a number of corrective recommendations and the IRS has agreed to a majority of them.

The IRS has admitted to shooting itself in the foot.

And the fact remains that out of 7.357 applications only 1/3 of 300 were flagged using political terminology, that's 1.359%, and none them them were ultimately denied what they sought.

As the Forbes article states:
The IRS And The Tea Party: Probe Finds Big Bungling But Scant Fuel For Scandal
Money man

Blairsville, GA

#11634 May 17, 2013
Danger zone wrote:
If I were a loyal Obama fan, I'd ask of him...Where are the 5 million shovel ready jobs you promised, where are those Green energy jobs you promised? You promised no more big government, yet the IRS grows & will grow even more as Obamacare is implemented, what happened to stopping government waste. Why are my insurance bhgpremiums rising when you said they wouldnt? Why will there be 30 million uninsured Americans, even with Obamacare?..... There are pages of questions needed to be asked of the current leader & administration, not of republicans. But, now let's ask, what is the republican plan.
Romney had a plan - the super-rich don't pay taxes, which as it turns out he didn't for ten years!

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#11635 May 17, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
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You're a moron.
I hate it when I accidentally read one of your posts before I realize it's you.
It's fairly early in the day and the irony has started already...
BS Is Called

Dallas, TX

#11636 May 17, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
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What is the Republican congress doing to improve educational standards in the US? Especially in the field of science? It appears many of the Republican Senators and Representatives are particularly deficient in that area.
When can we expect some Republican legislation?
What is the Democrats plan to improve educational standards and results in America? When can we expect Democrat legislation?

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#11637 May 17, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
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....
In the US reporters are not required to submit their stories to the White House for approval before printing. Are you suggesting you'd like to change that? Does North Korea's model sound better to you?
Such knee-jerking from Americans is embarrassing. It really shows off the lack of education of so many of our citizens.
....
CB, this question of yours makes no sense. The scenario you describe is actually much more similar to what HAS been happening the last 4 1/2 years. The press has fawned over this president and passed over so many incidents that should have had their little noses on the ground searching for the facts. The Founders of this country thought a free and independent press was so important to keeping the government accountable to the people that they included that freedom in the 1st Amendment. The media have dishonored that freedom by their LACK of questioning over incidents that should have had them clamoring for information.

When George Orwell originally wrote "Animal Farm" to illustrated the dangers of socialism and communism, he included a preface complaining about how the British were ignoring things they knew to be true and not reporting them out of a desire not to criticize their WWII ally - the USSR.
"The sinister fact about literary censorship in England is that it is largely voluntary.... Things are kept right out of the British press, not because the Government intervenes but because of a general tacit agreement that 'it wouldn't do' to mention that particular fact."

That is what we have witnessed the last 4 years: It "wouldn't do" to question Obama too closely about:
Bill Ayers or Jeremiah Wright or Tony Rezko
Black Panther voter intimidation
Solyndra
John Corzine and MF Global
Fast and Furious
Just to name a few.

The media we depend upon to be "watchdogs" over our freedoms have acted instead as "lapdogs" for this administration because of the overall media's own biases. But it would appear that even they could no longer stomach what has come to light over the last two weeks.
Money man

Blairsville, GA

#11638 May 17, 2013
Money man wrote:
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Romney had a plan - the super-rich don't pay taxes, which as it turns out he didn't for ten years!
http://politix.topix.com/homepage/6094-republ...
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#11639 May 17, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
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Yep, 4 counties in GA (our of what, 159?) provides an accurate statistical sample...
Dear Dipstick,
my original comment specified the voting patterns of "this region", something you might've known if you had made yourself aware of the complete conversation.

As someone recently quipped
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
...imagine how vacant this thread would be if people only posted about what they know or was actually true.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#11640 May 17, 2013
Money man wrote:
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Romney had a plan - the super-rich don't pay taxes, which as it turns out he didn't for ten years!
Care to post a link that "proves" your point?

Another fine example of someone posting inaccurate and incorrect information.
Danger zone

Decatur, GA

#11641 May 17, 2013
Money man wrote:
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Romney had a plan - the super-rich don't pay taxes, which as it turns out he didn't for ten years!
That then, includes all Obama's "super rich" billionaire supporters and Hollywood/music mogul friends, right???
OMTE

Norman Park, GA

#11642 May 17, 2013
BS Is Called wrote:
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What is the Democrats plan to improve educational standards and results in America? When can we expect Democrat legislation?
In 2014.
Money man

Blairsville, GA

#11643 May 17, 2013
Danger zone wrote:
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That then, includes all Obama's "super rich" billionaire supporters and Hollywood/music mogul friends, right???
Right.
Money man

Blairsville, GA

#11644 May 17, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
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The media we depend upon to be "watchdogs" over our freedoms have acted instead as "lapdogs"
Don't forget to include Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and all the other radicals, even Politix (who owns Topix), who would rather see this country fall than give an inch.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#11645 May 17, 2013
Oh my wrote:
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and none them them were ultimately denied what they sought.
Last time -you (through your columnist) are ignoring the bigger picture and denying the IG's actual conclusions. The IRS admits they "profiled" based on obviously "conservative" points of view. They requested information that was neither required, and in some instances, illegal for them to ask for. The information they demanded was voluminous in nature (i.e. every tweet, blog post, speech given, books, etc your organization has given/ list of donors (some of which were given to political opponents- that is a fact-, some of those donors suddenly faced audits after their names were given - that is a fact/ is anyone in your organization seeking office now OR IN THE FUTURE/ and on and on)
Regardless of motivation this clearly required a great deal of time and effort and expense to put together this kind of information- NONE of which was required.

And correct, to this point no application has been denied, but just as "justice delayed is justice denied" so it could be argued that "political expression delayed is political expression denied" - and that should trouble even you.
Some of these application took 2 YEARS and some that have been in process for 3 years are STILL pending.
But go ahead and come back and repeat for the fourth time what the columnist said, I'm done with you on this.
OMTE

Norman Park, GA

#11646 May 17, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
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It's fairly early in the day and the irony has started already...
You just never stop. Do you? You are so full of hate that you just can't help it. Can You? Why don't you actually respond to a post? You're one of those guys like Travis Alexander. That think everybody is stupid, but you and your friends. I am not suprised. This type of behavior is accepted in our day in time. I bet you think Teaching is stupid profession like he did, because you don't get rich doing it. Right? It's all about the dollar in your mind? Right? You make your day brighter by someone elses darker. You're sick.
ChicknButt

Decatur, GA

#11647 May 17, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
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"clueless and uneducated"
Everybody take a shot!

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