Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#8031 Apr 28, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
"ChicknButt"
"We've already covered this. The bible is NOT the word of God. It was written by men, changed many times, altered to suit agendas of various groups. Stories were stolen from different cultures and religions, and modified for the times."

You may not believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God, that is your right. And just for clarification, I believe the original texts were inerrant, however, given the translation issues when going from one language to another, I will not say the current translations are "inerrant", but I would still say they reflect the inspired Word of God.

However, your claim that the Bible has been "changed many times" and "altered to suit agendas" is completely in error....

Stories stolen from different cultures - not hardly.
Yes, the Creation and Flood stories came from earlier Sumerian mythology.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows...
In the earliest Christian movement, there were actually many different writings circulated, and many traditions about the sayings of Jesus. Some of the leaders were concerned to say, "Well, which of these writings can be read in church? Which are the right ones? Which are the best ones?" And Irenaeus, the leader of a church in France in about the year 170, declared that "The heretics boast that they have many more gospels than there really are. But really they don't have any gospels that aren't full of blasphemy. There actually are only four authentic gospels. And this is obviously true because there are four corners of the universe and there are four principal winds, and therefore there can be only four gospels that are authentic. These, besides, are written by Jesus' true followers."

...In the second and third century, we know that there were many other gospels that were developed. We have a charming array of popular kinds of stories of the life of Jesus.

...Irenaeus was a Bishop of Lyon...[He] was particularly noted for his writings in which he tried to combat various kinds of so-called heretics of the second century. Most of these were people who would consider themselves Christians.

...It may surprise people to know that it's really not until the year 367 that we have a list of New Testament books that conforms exactly to the list of the twenty-seven books we would call the New Testament today. So throughout the second and third centuries there was quite a lot of fighting about which ones are in and which ones not.

...The diversity of Christianity is certainly closely related to the proliferation of gospels. Even the gospels which we have in the canon of the New Testament are not of one mind, but really represent very different religious positions and very different images of Jesus.

...I think the composition of a four-fold gospel canon reflects complicated developments during the course of the second century. One of the factors that played a role here certainly was the fact that certain gospels were revered in certain ecclesiastical centers, so it may be that Antioch had a special affection for the Gospel of Luke. We don't know that for a fact, but this is certainly an element in the development of the gospel canon.

...If we return to Irenaeus' argument for the canon, I think precisely the contrary is closer to a more responsible historical reconstruction, and that is that there's some kind of consensus among people in the Jesus movement as to what constitutes reliable tradition, reliable literature - literature that they want to read or they want to hear over and over again, and other kinds of literature that they don't want to hear. And, of course, there are groups that have differences of opinion about this.
OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#8032 Apr 28, 2013
Bored wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I do not.
When you use the term "global warming", you are referring to higher temperatures only. Scientists know there are other factors at play.
The Earth goes through heating and cooling periods, long before man added to the problem. So just to lay the problem all on the human race is in error.
You are stating that we are adding to the problem. Right?
Bored

Dahlonega, GA

#8033 Apr 28, 2013
"Elaine Pagels"
"An intensely inquisitive and thorough historian, Pagels’ impeccable scholarship has won her international respect. As a young researcher at Barnard College, she changed forever the historical landscape of the Christian religion by exploding the myth of the early Christian Church as a unified movement."

Wow! what a revelation.
And all this time I thought all one had to do was read the New Testament Bible and come to that conclusion all on their own.

My, my. What would we do if we didnt have eggheads telling us what we should believe.






Bored

Dahlonega, GA

#8034 Apr 28, 2013
OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>You are stating that we are adding to the problem. Right?
Yes, but not the main problem.


OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#8035 Apr 28, 2013
Bored wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, but not the main problem.
If we can control somewhat to a degree how of much of a problem we impose on this on this planet. Don't you think we should take steps to control the things we can, so to add the least amount to the problem as we can?
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#8036 Apr 28, 2013
Bored wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know what Jesus will say to me, I'm not such a pompous azz enough to even assume I would be worthy to make such assumptions.

I am sure Jesus would expect me on a PERSONAL level to follow his teachings, not broadcast or make boasts or judgments who is and who is not a follower of him.
I would expect Jesus to say, it is your personal duty to care for the sick, the poor, the infirm, and the children. I am also sure Jesus would say be satisfied with what you have and not be envious of what other people have, do your duty and let others do theirs.

I see and understand only one thing Jesus requires of us and that is "do you believe Jesus is the son of God? that he was crucified and died on the cross? and that he arose from the dead? and now lives?" These questions are the basis of the new testament, if you cant or wont believe them, the rest of the gospels are hogwash, and each person comes to that decision, Informed Opinion's personal opinion notwithstanding.


If the answers are yes, then caring for those in need no longer is a duty but now becomes a joy and way of life.
I dont expect you or anyone else to do "charity work", and for sure I dont care to have it forced on me by Gubment while Gubment plays God and says who pays how much and when, nor do I care to have it forced on me by libtards who always talk and strut before the world how wonderful they are and how much they help everyone while at the same time making more and more of the people dependent on Gubment where Gubment becomes their God.
Nice irrational rambling Right Wing non-responsive, self-hating, diatribe.

Now use you government Socialist Security Check to buy a beer,
and government provided Socialist Medicare to see the doctor,
and government Socialist Part-D prescription Lorazepam,
and then drive down to the government provided TVA lake,
and throw a line to catch government provided fish,
and maybe you'll have the intellectual grasp to realize,
how silly it is for you to accuse anyone of being a socialist.

Self-hatred is a symptom of cognitive dissonance - a well recognized psychological issue confronted by folks who are dependent on the government,(all Americans), but rail against those dependent in the government.

We want you to love yourself, not hate yourself even though you're a government dependent American.

Relax, that just makes you a human being in the 21st Century.
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#8037 Apr 28, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>OMTE! I was KIDDING. I am not a neurosurgeon. As long as I have been posting, I just assumed everyone would know I was kidding. I don't look down on anyone. I just don't support the liberal mindset. Now! If THAT makes me a snob, then I AM a snob of the highest order. Otherwise, I am no snob. Actually, I am diabolically opposite.
Good for you !

That's great - no more slams if "Libtard", or "liberal socialist commies" ( although none of those categories is UnAmerican).

It's too bad though you're not a neurosurgeon,
since you would have been educated at publicly funded high school,
and publicly funded college,
and trained at a publicly funded medical school,
and using publicly funded loans and grants,
and then further trained during internship at another publicly funded hospital,

You could have explained to us all how, without government participation you could have never accomplished what you have.
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#8038 Apr 28, 2013
Oh my wrote:
Just offered an observation that even in this small town there's a church on every street corner.

Now why is that...

Is it because we lack motorized transport so that churches must be close the congregation that they serve, not in this day and age.

Is it because of an increase in the piety of the population, or simply an increase in the population.

Is it because Christianity is not a unified system of belief, and that different folks have different strokes.

Now we're getting somewhere...

Have these differences of opinion led to splits and schisms, yep.

Have these differences of opinion lead to violence among differing flavors of Christianity, yep.

Do some flavors of Christianity consider themselves the one true bestest flavor, yep.

Obviously some believe in the Libertarian Jesus, some believe in the Liberal Jesus, some believe in the Jewish Jesus, some believe in the Gnostic Jesus, and some even believe that all of the above are correct because it's really a personal relationship with the transcendent.

And while you may feel that my previous response was wholly inadequate it was merely an attempt to paraphrase, boil down, get to the gist of the matter, and provide brevity for those folks who can only handle a limited number of words per post.
Great post.
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#8039 Apr 28, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, the Creation and Flood stories came from earlier Sumerian mythology.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows...
In the earliest Christian movement, there were actually many different writings circulated, and many traditions about the sayings of Jesus. Some of the leaders were concerned to say, "Well, which of these writings can be read in church? Which are the right ones? Which are the best ones?" And Irenaeus, the leader of a church in France in about the year 170, declared that "The heretics boast that they have many more gospels than there really are. But really they don't have any gospels that aren't full of blasphemy. There actually are only four authentic gospels. And this is obviously true because there are four corners of the universe and there are four principal winds, and therefore there can be only four gospels that are authentic. These, besides, are written by Jesus' true followers."

...In the second and third century, we know that there were many other gospels that were developed. We have a charming array of popular kinds of stories of the life of Jesus.

...Irenaeus was a Bishop of Lyon...[He] was particularly noted for his writings in which he tried to combat various kinds of so-called heretics of the second century. Most of these were people who would consider themselves Christians.

...It may surprise people to know that it's really not until the year 367 that we have a list of New Testament books that conforms exactly to the list of the twenty-seven books we would call the New Testament today. So throughout the second and third centuries there was quite a lot of fighting about which ones are in and which ones not.

...The diversity of Christianity is certainly closely related to the proliferation of gospels. Even the gospels which we have in the canon of the New Testament are not of one mind, but really represent very different religious positions and very different images of Jesus.

...I think the composition of a four-fold gospel canon reflects complicated developments during the course of the second century. One of the factors that played a role here certainly was the fact that certain gospels were revered in certain ecclesiastical centers, so it may be that Antioch had a special affection for the Gospel of Luke. We don't know that for a fact, but this is certainly an element in the development of the gospel canon.

...If we return to Irenaeus' argument for the canon, I think precisely the contrary is closer to a more responsible historical reconstruction, and that is that there's some kind of consensus among people in the Jesus movement as to what constitutes reliable tradition, reliable literature - literature that they want to read or they want to hear over and over again, and other kinds of literature that they don't want to hear. And, of course, there are groups that have differences of opinion about this.
Great post-

I have ways been interested in the "Epic of Gilgamesh",
and its relationship to the Story of the Creation in Genesis, as well as the Books of Daniel and Ecclesiastics.

The similarities between the "Epic Poems", the Bible, the Koran, and the Egyptian "Book of the Dead", is startling and thought provoking.

Most people have not had the opportunity to compare the Old Testament and the Koran, or Shia vs. Sunni Muslims.

Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#8040 Apr 28, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Great post-
I have ways been interested in the "Epic of Gilgamesh",
and its relationship to the Story of the Creation in Genesis, as well as the Books of Daniel and Ecclesiastics.
The similarities between the "Epic Poems", the Bible, the Koran, and the Egyptian "Book of the Dead", is startling and thought provoking.
Most people have not had the opportunity to compare the Old Testament and the Koran, or Shia vs. Sunni Muslims.
As a student of comparative religion I think you would enjoy these books. I was introduced to Joseph Campbell back in the 1980's with the PBS 6-hour prime time airing of The Power of Myth, a series of interviews between Bill Moyers and Joseph Campbell. The four volumes below should answer your questions, and then some. You can find them thru various retailers on line, or possibly at your local public library.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Campbell
The Masks of God

Written between 1962 and 1968, Campbell's four-volume work The Masks of God covers mythology from around the world, from ancient to modern. Where The Hero with a Thousand Faces focused on the commonality of mythology (the “elementary ideas”), the Masks of God books focus upon historical and cultural variations the monomyth takes on (the “folk ideas”). In other words, where The Hero with a Thousand Faces draws perhaps more from psychology, the Masks of God books draw more from anthropology and history.

The four volumes of Masks of God are as follows:

Masks of God: Primitive Mythology,
Masks of God: Oriental Mythology,
Masks of God: Occidental Mythology,
Masks of God: Creative Mythology.
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#8041 Apr 28, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>As a student of comparative religion I think you would enjoy these books. I was introduced to Joseph Campbell back in the 1980's with the PBS 6-hour prime time airing of The Power of Myth, a series of interviews between Bill Moyers and Joseph Campbell. The four volumes below should answer your questions, and then some. You can find them thru various retailers on line, or possibly at your local public library.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Campbell
The Masks of God

Written between 1962 and 1968, Campbell's four-volume work The Masks of God covers mythology from around the world, from ancient to modern. Where The Hero with a Thousand Faces focused on the commonality of mythology (the “elementary ideas”), the Masks of God books focus upon historical and cultural variations the monomyth takes on (the “folk ideas”). In other words, where The Hero with a Thousand Faces draws perhaps more from psychology, the Masks of God books draw more from anthropology and history.

The four volumes of Masks of God are as follows:

Masks of God: Primitive Mythology,
Masks of God: Oriental Mythology,
Masks of God: Occidental Mythology,
Masks of God: Creative Mythology.
Great post.

Thanks.

I listened to Campbell's " Hero With a Thousand Faces" many years ago on CD, lasted for months because I constantly had to replay it to try to understand all that was being relayed.

I'll give "Masks" a try.

It is amazing how myths and folklore seem to validate that Voltaire saying;

"If God didn't exist, it would be necessary to invent him".

Since: Jul 12

Villa Rica, GA

#8042 Apr 28, 2013
Chicknbutt wrote:
<quoted text>
It's just another propaganda piece for those who want to believe that liberals are evil and that Obama is Karl Marx.
http://www.steamd.net/post/43245585268/review...
It appears those who stand to gain the most by funding right-wing propaganda have hit on a winning formula for speaking to the gullible.
What else can you say, except the video documentary was dead on with all the facts that you would love to keep the American people from seeing.It never said that Obama was Karl Marx. It did imply that Obama is a Marxist. It did show all of Obamas communist affiliations. It did give a history of socialism and communism. It did show most of the communist supported organizations in this country. It did make people such as yourself very uneasy and will wake up those that do not know all this information yet.

Since: Jul 12

Villa Rica, GA

#8043 Apr 28, 2013
OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>Do you not think that we are not directly reponsible for the change in precipitation patterns? Which in turn effects the sea levels. That the global warming is real and due to over population.
I must jump in and side this time with Bored. Global warming is a scam. Russian scientist have been warning that over the last ten years that temperatures are falling and that we will be in a little ice age for the net 33 years. Nasa has finally admitted to the same thing last week.
Think about it man. If it doesn't rain enough, it is global warming. If it rains too much,it is global warming. If it gets hot, it is global warming. Now that it is getting cooler,it is climate change caused by man that causes that. Of course there is climate change. There has been climate change going on for millions of years and it will continue for many millions more if we don't blow this earth up.
Too bad that you can't watch that video documentary as it goes into some detail about that also, and explains why it was so important to sell the idea to liberals and socialist.

Since: Jul 12

Villa Rica, GA

#8044 Apr 28, 2013
Sorry for the double post as Topix servers wouldn't seem to take it and I posted again.
OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#8045 Apr 28, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I must jump in and side this time with Bored. Global warming is a scam. Russian scientist have been warning that over the last ten years that temperatures are falling and that we will be in a little ice age for the net 33 years. Nasa has finally admitted to the same thing last week.
Think about it man. If it doesn't rain enough, it is global warming. If it rains too much,it is global warming. If it gets hot, it is global warming. Now that it is getting cooler,it is climate change caused by man that causes that. Of course there is climate change. There has been climate change going on for millions of years and it will continue for many millions more if we don't blow this earth up.
Too bad that you can't watch that video documentary as it goes into some detail about that also, and explains why it was so important to sell the idea to liberals and socialist.
I disagree on the grounds that scientific evidence has shown otherwise. Yes there has been climate changes since the beginning of time. The fact is though there has never been a creature upon this earth as powerful as man. We are changing the natural order of things and causing this natural climate change to happen far more rapidly than it would happen naturally. Thus not giving ourselves time as well as the wildlife time to adapt to this rapid extreme climate changing. I think it's just common sense that you usually have a ample supply of. Where do you think all this pollution goes? Do you think it just float up and magically disappears? If you crank you car up in a garage and sit in there for an extended period of time. You will die. The same principle applys here only on a much larger scale.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#8046 Apr 28, 2013
OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>I disagree on the grounds that scientific evidence has shown otherwise. Yes there has been climate changes since the beginning of time. The fact is though there has never been a creature upon this earth as powerful as man. We are changing the natural order of things and causing this natural climate change to happen far more rapidly than it would happen naturally. Thus not giving ourselves time as well as the wildlife time to adapt to this rapid extreme climate changing. I think it's just common sense that you usually have a ample supply of. Where do you think all this pollution goes? Do you think it just float up and magically disappears? If you crank you car up in a garage and sit in there for an extended period of time. You will die. The same principle applys here only on a much larger scale.
Where and when did u get ur science degree? Or any science whatever?
OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#8047 Apr 28, 2013
bored monitor wrote:
<quoted text>
Where and when did u get ur science degree? Or any science whatever?
Shut the f*ck up. You aggravating little b*t*h.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#8048 Apr 28, 2013
OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>Shut the f*ck up. You aggravating little b*t*h.
make me tuff guy.
Bored

Dahlonega, GA

#8049 Apr 28, 2013
OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>If we can control somewhat to a degree how of much of a problem we impose on this on this planet. Don't you think we should take steps to control the things we can, so to add the least amount to the problem as we can?


So far I have lived through:
1)A coming Ice Age (I bet this one makes a comeback)
2)Overpopulation leading to mass starvation
3)The world running out of fossil fuels- REPEATEDLY (we always seem to be 10-15 years from disaster)
4)Everyone getting three heads and glowing in the dark due to Nuclear reactors
5)The end of the Ozone layer, and its resulting calamitous effects on our health and the oh -so – fragile ecosystem
6)The repeatedly predicted collapse of said same oh- so -fragile ecosystem
7) everyone suffocating from CO2 poisoning because the rainforests are going to disappear.

…..and now Global Warming.

Does that answer your question?
Bored

Dahlonega, GA

#8050 Apr 28, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice irrational rambling Right Wing non-responsive, self-hating, diatribe.
Now use you government Socialist Security Check to buy a beer,
and government provided Socialist Medicare to see the doctor,
and government Socialist Part-D prescription Lorazepam,
and then drive down to the government provided TVA lake,
and throw a line to catch government provided fish,
and maybe you'll have the intellectual grasp to realize,
how silly it is for you to accuse anyone of being a socialist.
Self-hatred is a symptom of cognitive dissonance - a well recognized psychological issue confronted by folks who are dependent on the government,(all Americans), but rail against those dependent in the government.
We want you to love yourself, not hate yourself even though you're a government dependent American.
Relax, that just makes you a human being in the 21st Century.
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