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hot nuts

Cave City, KY

#1 Jan 4, 2012
if any one knowes amanda carey logsdon and thinks she is a christian think again she wouldnt even let her kids see there grandparents for christmas she has deleated them of her facebook changed her phone number for no reason why cant she see that she is just hurting the kids by doing that we did nothing wrong her parents see them everyday why are they better than us charlie
okay

Danville, KY

#2 Jan 4, 2012
Well she is the parent. If she doesn't want the grandparents in the picture for any reason it's her choice. The grandparents can get the children on her schedule, not the other way around. How does this make her a bad mother?
William Adams

Danville, KY

#3 Jan 5, 2012
I am wondering in this situation does the state of kentucky have any laws regarding grandparents rights? When a son or daughter refuses to let the kids see their grandparents can the grandparents take the parents to court and get a court order to see their grandchildren?
info

Corbin, KY

#5 Jan 5, 2012
YES SIR wrote:
<quoted text>YES SIR the grandparents sure can go to courthouse file a petition to courts and then it go in front of the judge.As long as the grandparents have no felonys on their record.The grandparents have rights to their grandkids.This happens way to often a mother or father gets mad at the grandparents then try to use the grandkids as a bargaining tool.
Grandparents do NOT have rights to their grand kids. Hilarious though that people think they have rights to children who aren't their own. Maybe if the child(ren) had lost a parent then the grandparents might be able to get visitation.
okay

Danville, KY

#6 Jan 5, 2012
info wrote:
<quoted text>Grandparents do NOT have rights to their grand kids. Hilarious though that people think they have rights to children who aren't their own. Maybe if the child(ren) had lost a parent then the grandparents might be able to get visitation.
Thank you! If the child is not yours you have NO rights to them. If THIER PARENTS say you can't see the child, then get over it! It's NOT your child.
Info

Clay City, KY

#7 Jan 5, 2012
According to the statutes:
405.021 Reasonable visitation rights to grandparents.
(1) The Circuit Court may grant reasonable visitation rights to either the paternal or maternal grandparents of a child and issue any necessary orders to enforce the decree if it determines that it is in the best interest of the child to do so. Once a grandparent has been granted visitation rights under this subsection, those rights shall not be adversely affected by the termination of parental rights belonging to the grandparent's son or daughter, who is the father or mother of the child visited by the grandparent, unless the Circuit Court determines that it is in the best interest of the child to do so.
(2) The action shall be brought in Circuit Court in the county in which the child resides.
(3) The Circuit Court may grant noncustodial parental visitation rights to the grandparent of a child if the parent of the child who is the son or daughter of the grandparent is deceased and the grandparent has assumed the financial obligation of child support owed by the deceased parent, unless the court determines that the visitation is not in the best interest of the child. If visitation is not granted, the grandparent shall not be responsible for child support.
Effective: July 15, 1996
History: Amended 1996 Ky. Acts ch. 302, sec. 1, effective July 15, 1996; and ch. 314, sec. 2, effective July 15, 1996.-- Amended 1994 Ky. Acts ch. 493, sec. 1, effective July 15, 1994.-- Amended 1984 Ky. Acts ch. 136, sec. 1, effective July 13, 1984.-- Created 1976 Ky. Acts ch. 277, sec. 1.
Legislative Research Commission Note (7/15/96). This section was amended by 1996 Ky. Acts chs. 302 and 314 which do not appear to be in conflict and have been codified together.
William Adams

Danville, KY

#8 Jan 5, 2012
Yes correct it is not their child but it is their grand child which means the child is their blood. Many many grandparents would rather die than not see their grandchildren but in this debate isnt the child the one who is hurting the most to know that mom/dad will not let them see the grandmother/grandfather. Growing up I was closer to my grandparents than my actual parents and looking back if I couldnt see my grandparents there would be so much knowledge and love and guidence I would had missed out on. I am not telling anybody what to do it is none of my business and it is my humble opinion. Also, with age comes wisdom and think about this very carefully without an angry heart. There is so much a grandparent can teach their grandchildren that mom/and dad has yet to go through and this knowledge can be passed to the grandchildren, mom/dad can learn a few things as well especially young parents who havent yet found their parenting style. Differnt upbringings for different people but the unconditional love a grandparent can show a child is irreplacable. Just my opinion.
wrong

Manchester, KY

#10 Jan 5, 2012
Grandparents do not have rights! Unless the parents are proven unfit! Or have passed away!
Been through this

Winchester, KY

#11 Jan 5, 2012
The statute quoted is for cases in which a parent has their rights terminated or dies. It is not for cases where a grandparent is mad because they want to see their grandchild. I have personally been through this issue.During my divorce my ex's parents wanted to see my child, but yet they had had no contact with him for almost a year before the divorce. They just did not like that I won sole custody. They were told directly by the court that the state of Kentucky does not honor grandparent's rights, and that they had to go through their son to see their grandchild. He stopped seeing my son all together, and the courts still told his parents that they would not get any visitation rights.

I also know a woman who leaves her kids with her parents during her visitation time with the kids. She sees them every now and then, but her parents mainly take care of the children during her time. Her parents wanted to obtain rights to the children and be their gaurdians, but were denied due to NO grandparents rights in Kentucky.

In order for a grandparent to obtain any rights the following has to happen:
1) Both parents die, leaving the grandparents as the only option.

2) The children have been taken away from both parents and placed with grandparents (but chances are that it won't be forever unless the parents are in jail for a crime against their children)

3) The noncustodial parent loses their parental rights, but the child is very close to the grandparents on that side. If the courts find that the loss of parental rights would be determental to the child then they will grant visitation to the grandparents in place of visitation to the non-custodial parent who lost their rights.

4) Both parents lose parental rights.

If a parent decides to no longer allow the child to see their grandparents the court will side with the parent due to no grandparent's rights. The grandparent's would be wasting their money to try and fight it because the judge would just state that it is up to the custodial parent.
okay

Danville, KY

#12 Jan 5, 2012
William Adams wrote:
Yes correct it is not their child but it is their grand child which means the child is their blood. Many many grandparents would rather die than not see their grandchildren but in this debate isnt the child the one who is hurting the most to know that mom/dad will not let them see the grandmother/grandfather. Growing up I was closer to my grandparents than my actual parents and looking back if I couldnt see my grandparents there would be so much knowledge and love and guidence I would had missed out on. I am not telling anybody what to do it is none of my business and it is my humble opinion. Also, with age comes wisdom and think about this very carefully without an angry heart. There is so much a grandparent can teach their grandchildren that mom/and dad has yet to go through and this knowledge can be passed to the grandchildren, mom/dad can learn a few things as well especially young parents who havent yet found their parenting style. Differnt upbringings for different people but the unconditional love a grandparent can show a child is irreplacable. Just my opinion.
When I had my child my parents and my husband's parents both thought like you did. By the time he was 4 months old, my husbands mom basically started to Demand we parent a certain way, told us we were doing everything wrong (in reality her information was wrong), if we were with both her and our son she would completely take over, including telling US when it was time for him to take a nap or eat. Self-entitlement only leads to destruction. I told her that WE were the parents, not her, and that I don't appreciate being told what to do with my own child. This is exactly why I don't support Grandparents rights. If the child isn't yours, don't try to parent him.
info

United States

#13 Jan 6, 2012
The problem with most grandparents these days is that, if their son or daughter is a piece of shit parent then the grandparent tries to talk their child up to the grandchild. People have a hard time admitting they raised a horrible person. Custodial parents who have their child day in and day out get sick of hearing how great the non-custodial parent is all the time. Guess what? You raised a POS, and I can only believe that if you raised your child that way then you can do nothing better for my child. Unconditional love doesn't make you a good parent/grandparent; knowing when to discipline and stop enabling are more effective.
William Adams

Danville, KY

#14 Jan 6, 2012
I am not a grand parent myself just to make that clear I am a parent with 3 pre-teens. I do know from my own experiences in my own life without my grandparents involvement I wouldnt be who I am today. Over bearing grandparents in my own experience are trying too hard to accomplish too much too soon. Remember grandparents only have a certain amount of time left in this life. Every family is different with their own circumstances but to me unconditional love is more powerful than you might think. The bond between the child and their parents are strong and unique as with the bond the child has with their grandparent is also strong and unique. I only hate to see any child be refused to experience this. If there are problems between parent and grandparent then handle it like adults[as you both are suppose to be] place the mindless bickering aside and find the common ground. Believe me I had many problems myself between my parents and I when it came to my own kids but I worked through it with them. After my own father was killed in a car wreck I witnessed the clarity of the influence he had on my own kids and am extremely thankful I worked very hard to find the common ground. Still though I am uncertain about the laws of Kentucky when it comes to grandparents rights. I have searched and searched only to find debates on this. Some people say there are grandparents rights while others say there is not. I had even googled grandparental rights in Kentucky and as I am not a lawyer my limited understanding of how the law is written left me more confused. I will not think of myself has having the right to tell any person what to do but I do feel that refusing to let grandparents to see their grandchildren is a mistake filled with regret if something were to happen to that grandparent. I wish all of you who are struggling or arguing or just plain mad good luck and I hope you find a way to work things out. Just remember if you have kids then one day you just might be a grandparent yourself and how would you feel if you cannot see your own grandchildren?
curious

Lexington, KY

#15 Jan 6, 2012
info wrote:
<quoted text>
Grandparents do NOT have rights to their grand kids. Hilarious though that people think they have rights to children who aren't their own. Maybe if the child(ren) had lost a parent then the grandparents might be able to get visitation.
thats were your wrong yea they do if u dont believe it march your ass up to the court house and ask somebody
a mom

Carlisle, KY

#16 Jan 6, 2012
The fact of the matter is that this is a private family matter that should NOT be posted on this website to begin with, it's merely immature name calling. Anyone who uses the screen name "HOT NUTS" obviously has their own issues and shouldn't voice their opinion and start threads to begin with. The grandparents should actually be angry that such a person-"HOT NUTS" would stoop to this level and speak on their behalf.
Fake

Newburgh, IN

#17 Jan 9, 2012
No there is not grandparent rights nomore. Call any courthouse or attorney in ky they made that change ten years ago.
lol?

Danville, KY

#18 Jan 9, 2012
Omg deleted them on Facebook waaaaaaat
hello

Manchester, KY

#19 Jan 9, 2012
[QUOTE who="lol?"]Omg deleted them on Facebook waaaaaaat[/QUOTE]
hahahah love it!
wrong

Fairborn, OH

#20 Jan 9, 2012
okay wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you! If the child is not yours you have NO rights to them. If THIER PARENTS say you can't see the child, then get over it! It's NOT your child.
you better go back and check again we sued for grandparents rights and won
hmmm

Fairborn, OH

#21 Jan 9, 2012
okay wrote:
<quoted text>When I had my child my parents and my husband's parents both thought like you did. By the time he was 4 months old, my husbands mom basically started to Demand we parent a certain way, told us we were doing everything wrong (in reality her information was wrong), if we were with both her and our son she would completely take over, including telling US when it was time for him to take a nap or eat. Self-entitlement only leads to destruction. I told her that WE were the parents, not her, and that I don't appreciate being told what to do with my own child. This is exactly why I don't support Grandparents rights. If the child isn't yours, don't try to parent him.
. If you suck at being a parent then grandparents have every right to say something ... All these pothead drug addict kids having kids
okay

Danville, KY

#22 Jan 9, 2012
hmmm wrote:
<quoted text>. If you suck at being a parent then grandparents have every right to say something ... All these pothead drug addict kids having kids
I'm not a bad parent. I'm for sure not a drug addict or a kid. It's a classic case of a parent sticking their nose where it doesn't belong. My kid is a great kid, and has been acting so much better since we cut the grandparents out of their lives. The grandparents have dated information that hurt the child more than it helps. I don't want my child to grow up like I did and for sure not how my husband did.

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