Rell Plan To Merge Technical High Sch...

Rell Plan To Merge Technical High Schools, Community Colleges C...

There are 73 comments on the Hartford Courant story from Feb 18, 2009, titled Rell Plan To Merge Technical High Schools, Community Colleges C.... In it, Hartford Courant reports that:

One of the most intriguing, and puzzling, ideas proposed by Gov. M. Jodi Rell in her budget address Feb.

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Not Happening

Waterbury, CT

#1 Feb 18, 2009
D-E-A-D!

It is that plain and simple. This plan was concocted with an ulterior motive.

There may be some merit to such an idea but it needs more fleshing out. You can't come from out-of-the-blue in February with this type of proposal and expect it to fly.

Neither the State Board of Education nor the State Department of Higher Education had this on their radar. There is an ulterior motive, trust me.
sue

New Haven, CT

#2 Feb 18, 2009
obviously Rell was reading Lord of the Rings when she came up with this half baked idea and was trying for middle earth and hoping Frodo would save her
Sen Dudd

Southbury, CT

#3 Feb 18, 2009
I think its a good idea dont kill this proposal just because your a union govt hack that never worked an honest day for an honest wage
Shoreline Bill

South Dennis, MA

#4 Feb 18, 2009
of course there will be detractors and those with entrenched interests .. however.. this is a good idea that should not be dismissed.......
cameo35

Bloomfield, CT

#5 Feb 18, 2009
....Not every student out there is college material.....Your going to send a junior from high school who has a 9th grade reading level to college?......Lets concentrate giving our high school students the 3 (R)S.Reading , writing, and 'arithmatic!....Then let them pass a college ENTRY EXAM and see if they qualify for college courses.....
wow

Portsmouth, RI

#6 Feb 18, 2009
I will hold off an opionion until all the deatils are available. Generally community college staudents, technical school students and the students who may attend while college classes while still in high school all have different goals and different needs. Many have different expectations as well.
MicP

Wallingford, CT

#7 Feb 18, 2009
cameo35 wrote:
....Not every student out there is college material.....Your going to send a junior from high school who has a 9th grade reading level to college?......Lets concentrate giving our high school students the 3 (R)S.Reading , writing, and 'arithmatic!....Then let them pass a college ENTRY EXAM and see if they qualify for college courses.....
I fully agree with you. I teach at a community college and a university and there are so many 18 years who are not prepared for college level work. They are not pushed hard enough at the high school level then they think college is just an extension of high school and are often quite surprised to find out that the workload is much more intense. Many of the students have such attrocious writing skills. I cannot for the life of me figure out how they got out of high school to begin with. More work needs to be done at the high school level before kids go on to college. Mixing the two together is not the answer. Magnet schools and all the choices students have are a wonderful thing, but leave high school and college separate. Let's get to a point where all the students entering a community college pass the placement exams at the level where they can begin college level math and composition classes instead of having to take remedial courses where they have to pay college course costs but don't receive credit in some cases and transferrable credit in most cases.
teacher

Torrington, CT

#8 Feb 18, 2009
The governor has NO IDEA what the tech system does.
h c ecco

Buena Park, CA

#9 Feb 18, 2009
a much needed remake of the entire k-16 progression could begin with the so-called middle college if curriculum design and teaching practices are given prioity over the nuts and bolts of administration.

for students with academic interests as well as those aiming at the trades: an increase in the rigor of the 7-10 years leading to an improved version of the high school diploma followed by the 11-12 years and an associate degree,(with a version for adademics and trades in both cases), and then 13-16 studies for bachelors and masters degrees.

the present system,(including k-6), in its design and operations, wastes the time and potential of kids at all levels.

reform, from teacher training on up, is essential and the state ought to begin explorations with educators and others who have demonstrated abilities in program development, communication, administration and resource allocation - you can find these "others" in universities, corporations, military (technical)training, etc.- certainly before giving yet another bureaucratic form a head start.
Questioning Motive

Wethersfield, CT

#10 Feb 18, 2009
Not Happening wrote:
D-E-A-D!
It is that plain and simple. This plan was concocted with an ulterior motive.
There may be some merit to such an idea but it needs more fleshing out. You can't come from out-of-the-blue in February with this type of proposal and expect it to fly.
Neither the State Board of Education nor the State Department of Higher Education had this on their radar. There is an ulterior motive, trust me.
I have to agree with this statement for the most part and that of Representative Fleischmann, who called it "slapdash".
Where did this proposal come from? Someone needs to say it was their idea and be more specific as to how this would work. This was not well thought through.
Richard

United States

#11 Feb 18, 2009
One question I have: If we assume that the purpose of education is to make students job-ready (this idea contradicts the basic premise of a liberal arts education, which gives more emphasis to producing a "learned" person than someone who an employer can fit into a slot on Friday to start work on Monday), what happens if a kid who has a career goal in high school changes his plan?
Joe

Vernon Rockville, CT

#12 Feb 18, 2009
This is a stuoid idea.
WoW

AOL

#13 Feb 18, 2009
If Gov. Rell is looking for instant cost savings, she ought to be working on making cuts to the bloated administrators within the tech school system (eg., asst. superintendents, asst. principals, guidance office, etc.) There's one school with less than 600 students, but it has a principal with 3 assistant principals!! Totally unnecessary!

Do teachers teach anymore? Do principals support the teachers anymore? Do struggling students receive the additional attention they need to succeed and then be promoted? Maybe we need effective administrators and educators and we surely need responsible, accountable parents and students! Start with the basics and ditch the trendy middle college idea.
HMc

Newington, CT

#14 Feb 18, 2009
It's a good idea. What good does a high school diploma do you anymore?

These kids need a technical education and a college degree.
Tom Collins

Windsor, CT

#15 Feb 18, 2009
Richard wrote:
One question I have: If we assume that the purpose of education is to make students job-ready (this idea contradicts the basic premise of a liberal arts education, which gives more emphasis to producing a "learned" person than someone who an employer can fit into a slot on Friday to start work on Monday), what happens if a kid who has a career goal in high school changes his plan?
Why is it that liberal arts advocates and their like are always compelled to declared themselves as "learned" persons or "thinkers?" It appears that they think they must subtility disparage others as non-thinkers to advance themselves. That's usually the limit of their "thinking" ability.
ANGEL

United States

#16 Feb 18, 2009
THANK GOD both my kids are out and I dont have to DO THE SCHOOL THING ANYMORE...

Whatever way is takes to get the cash flowing back to the kids instead of the PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOLS is the way to go......
Great Leader

Schaumburg, IL

#17 Feb 18, 2009
What a brilliant woman, super govenor. Is this a move whose time has come.
High School should be Five years, first three high school the last two the first two years of college, credits transferable to any University in the state, whether in the state system or not.

To meld the Technical Schools with Community colleges is simply brilliant. The United State of America needs technically educated people to move this country forward and allow us to be ahead of the world in technical solutions and technology.
Govenor Rell I salute you, I only hope Connecticuts people have your vision of the future. You are a true leader.

Since: Oct 08

Glastonbury, CT

#18 Feb 18, 2009
cameo35 wrote:
....Not every student out there is college material.....Your going to send a junior from high school who has a 9th grade reading level to college?......Lets concentrate giving our high school students the 3 (R)S.Reading , writing, and 'arithmatic!....Then let them pass a college ENTRY EXAM and see if they qualify for college courses.....
Are you under the impression that classes at community college are the same as say, Uconn?

Rell's idea is probably not ready but the direction is correct.

Not every kid is college bound. If high school is only designed for college bound kids, what happens to the ones who will never go to college?
West Haven

West Haven, CT

#19 Feb 18, 2009
my question is, do the high school students taking the courses for free take the place of someone (like me) who pays for the class? And if so...don't my costs for the class go up? Say 30 students are in a class each paying $100 per credit for a 3 credit class totaling $9000. If 10 high school kids are taking it for free, and the college wants $9000 for the class, aren't the 20 who pay going to have to make up the difference?

Plus who gets priority for a required class? Sometimes spots for a class are quite limited. This just adds more competition for those seats.
Great Leader

Schaumburg, IL

#20 Feb 18, 2009
MicP wrote:
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I fully agree with you. I teach at a community college and a university and there are so many 18 years who are not prepared for college level work. They are not pushed hard enough at the high school level then they think college is just an extension of high school and are often quite surprised to find out that the workload is much more intense. Many of the students have such attrocious writing skills. I cannot for the life of me figure out how they got out of high school to begin with. More work needs to be done at the high school level before kids go on to college. Mixing the two together is not the answer. Magnet schools and all the choices students have are a wonderful thing, but leave high school and college separate. Let's get to a point where all the students entering a community college pass the placement exams at the level where they can begin college level math and composition classes instead of having to take remedial courses where they have to pay college course costs but don't receive credit in some cases and transferrable credit in most cases.
I too have taught at the college level in four states (CT, MD, Okla, Ark). Young adults today are ill prepared for college and completely unprepared for technical colleges in math skills. But they are completely prepared with ultra high egos--far above their education or skill levels.

I agree with your assessments of the systems and the real need for restructuring to accommodate the current world. But Govenor Rells approach should not be dissed or dismissed --it is a great start.

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