State Police Arrest Teenager Armed with Assault Rifle

Full story: Hartford Courant

A 16-year-old boy is scheduled to appear in court today on charges that he fired an AK-47 at a group playing basketball behind a church on Providence Road, state police said.
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scared

Newington, CT

#98 May 22, 2008
butane wrote:
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I won't go buy one because I have a fear of going to jail. Criminals don't really care about that since their lives are worthless anyway. I will choose to obtain weapons within the legal scope of the law.
However, you can be damn sure if I couldn't get one anywhere else - and my life or my families life was in danger - I would go buy one whether it was legal or not. At least I'd have a shot at defending myself instead of ending up dead because some mushbrained idiot like you comes up with all these rules and regulations.
And who are you or anybody else to say what is a legit sporting, hunting or assault rifle? Based on a list of features and the color black, that some idiot who knows nothing about guns decided "looks scary and evil"?
How will removing a bayonet, pistol grip, folding stock, flash suppressor, barrel shroud, etc off a rifle make the bullet coming out of it any less lethal or dangerous? It doesn't. It simply impedes the beauty of the design and creates problems and loopholes for people to get caught up in to give the government an excuse to regulate, restrict and confiscate their guns.
I don't see why you are calling me a phycho - I can probably handle a firearm better than you can. Clueless anti-gun sissy.
I don't see why you're calling me a conservative for being pro-gun... it's about valuing the rights of our constitution you commie!
As far as the term militia, that can be debated - but wouldn't me and 10 of my buddies getting together and deciding to fight for the protection of our families and neighborhoods in the event of a riot, natural disaster, etc constitute militia?
so much fear and anger.....

you are not a militia, you are a terrorist group!!
doglove

Seattle, WA

#100 May 27, 2008
butane wrote:
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I'm not bragging about any "street connections"... I'm saying hypothetically I bet I could obtain a weapon on the street without a problem, with no background checks, much easier than I could obtain one legally. Do you not see the point how this makes it easy for criminals to obtain guns - but hard for regular citizens?
All the examples you posted about registering your car/dog, smoking joints and government warrantless phone call/email monitoring are EXACTLY what's wrong with this country. And what causes these unconstitutional laws? Crazy, clueless politicians and media fear mongering. Peddling fear of guns makes people call for more firearms regulations (that do little to prevent crime). Peddling fear of terrorism allows for patriot act, gestapo tactics and warrantless surveillance. Fear of "drug crazed criminals" keeps marijuana illegal.
As far as "safety classes" - true, in most situations it would be a good thing... but what if they already took the class or learned how to handle firearms at a young age?
And the only reason you have to wait for a passport is because of our overly bureaucratic, slow government system running on 1920's technology with lazy employees. As far as birth certificates, I dunno. But I can get a drivers license the same day I pass the test (or renew mine) as far as I know.
You're if "Knives just as lethal at close range? IF they are just as lethal, then why do you need a gun? " is a pointless change the topic, red herring rhetorical question so I won't bother reading that.
Obtaining a gun on the streets downtown at 3AM is EASIER? I don't think so.
Do you read the papers? You go try and buy anything downtown at 3AM and you are taking your life in your hands. Hardly what anyone would call 'easier".
Okay, we are not in an active revolution in this country now. Can you please tell me why waiting two weeks for a gun is so unbearable? If you are not a felon, you will get your gun, so why is the wait so terrible? Or would you prefer felons going to gun shops to purchase and walk out with a weapon? The only people who mind waiting are the ones who have no business with a gun and intend to do bad things with it IMMEDIATELY.
I support your right to own a weapon to protect yourself and family and much else of your post. I just don't buy the waiting part as such a violation of rights. I want my rights protected also. The right to not have a crazy seventeen year old walk in a gun show and leave with a automatic weapon and kll ten people the next day. He might have changed his mind, had he had to wait.
By the way, you are the one who brought up knives being just as lethal. I commented on your statement - that you then declared not worth commenting on.
I'm curious and sincere about this question. IF you feel we need to protect ourselves from a restrictive government (I agree, but don't think guns are going to do it), how do you feel about us having the largest percentage of our populace in prison? More even than Stalin imprisoned.
doglove

Seattle, WA

#102 May 28, 2008
Butane,

I think we agree on much, but disagree on some issues also. So, I will try to address your above questions in an orderly way.
First, I believe the people obtaining guns on the street are buying that way, because they cannot go through legal channels. I donít believe anything on the black market is
Ďeasierí. Maybe in their world, it is, but it doesnít sound it to me. So, I agree shootings on a regular basis in Hartford are happening with illegal guns. Letting these people obtain guns legally, would not change that though, would it? You want us to be on equal ground with criminals? I agree. I believe in the right to own a weapon, I just have no problem with being registered and a wait period.

We have so many illegal guns for the same reason you can get a prostitute or drugs on the streets. People will get what they want. In this case, I do not care to make that easier for them. And I am a medicinal marijuana patient in WA and I much prefer going to dispensary (privately owned, not government) for my medicine, than going to the streets. It is a dangerous place to buy anything. And yes, I agree for every bad gun/drug transaction we read about, there are probably one thousand that donít go bad. I myself though, would still be deterred.

I said we do not have an active revolution going on now in this country. Iím not disputing the violations of our rights you cited. But an active revolution, means in my mind, people are DOING something about it. What did they do in Mexico when the election was rigged? They would not accept it, they rioted and demonstrated and they got a new election. This country is not ready to do that. I donít know why and I do think it is long overdue, but it has not happened in over two hundred years. Not even during alcohol prohibition. Almost during Vietnam, there were many stances taken against the government. But as to real revolution stuff, Weather-underground with bombs, etc., that was a very small handful of people out of hundreds of thousands.

When you get your drivers license immediately it is provisional, under review. Driving is considered a privilege and no matter what the Constitution says, it is the same with guns. The Constitution says everyone votes too, but guess what Ė not felons.

Wasnít the Columbine shooter 17 and didnít he buy his gun at a show?

As to your last two paragraphs, I donít believe many of our laws prevent crimes. They are put in place to generate revenue. The more laws, the more fines. The more prisons, the more good jobs to unskilled laborers, with no-bid contracts to build prisons, etc. I think the entire judicial system is a joke, we all know if you commit murder and have enough money, and youíll probably walk. Politicians go to different prisons. Rowland got a cushy job after his Ďsentenceí, what other felon would get that kind of deal? So, I couldnít agree with you more about why so many people are incarcerated. I would expound on the drug component, since incarceration was intended to be less harmful than the dangers of the offence being committed, which is very far from the truth these days. The more draconian drug laws become, the more people use. The states that most enforce capital punishment have the highest murder rates.

I totally agree with what you said about corporations causing hardships on Ďthe peopleí through exploitation, and the government is the biggest and strongest corporation. I donít think that is going to change at all with more guns in our hands.
Hugh Jazz

United States

#103 May 29, 2008
know your weapons wrote:
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crazy? me the idiot? it is quite clear (based on your statement) that you are part of the unreasonable crowd that thinks you have the right to own whatever you want. A claymore, LAW, electric chair, daisy cutter bomb, whatever.
The AK47 (or AK74 which is what he had) is an Assault Rifle, or a weapon that was designed for combat to kill people. Not everyone needs or should have a weapon. Some regulation is reasonable. I am not advocating banning everything, but some things are reasonable.
Anyone that has been educated in firearms knows that you don't fire 30 rounds successively as the barrel gets hot and accuracy falls off. Not that big of a deal when you a mowing down people in auto at less that 300 meters (EXACTLY what it was designed for), but it doesn't make much sense when you are plinking targets. The AK47 was designed and marketed to kill people. That's it! It's not very accurate because of the designer's intentions to make it realiable. It is useless for anything except combat and shooting just for the sake of shooting (don't need an assault rifle for that).
give me a good reason why you NEED 30+ round clips and a weapon that lacks in accuracy.
Great so ban them. Then the next time some kid is an idiot and does something stupid with a gun you can say, what do you need 15 rounds of ammo for. Thats crazy!!! Blah blah blah. Ban any guns that hold 15 rounds. Then the next time a kid does something stupid with a gun, say what do you need a gun that shoots 7 rounds for. Ban! Ban! Ban!

Maybe I want to shoot 30 rounds in a row and hit nothing. Why does this bother you? Why do you care what I do so much. You don't like, well, DONT DO IT.

That seems to be an issue with this country lately. You find that a small group of people doesn't like something and wants it banned, then the idiot's we elect want to make headlines and do it. The majority seems to lose more often these days because politians wont say no.
FirstBatRanger

Portland, CT

#104 May 29, 2008
Hugh Jazz wrote:
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Great so ban them. Then the next time some kid is an idiot and does something stupid with a gun you can say, what do you need 15 rounds of ammo for. Thats crazy!!! Blah blah blah. Ban any guns that hold 15 rounds. Then the next time a kid does something stupid with a gun, say what do you need a gun that shoots 7 rounds for. Ban! Ban! Ban!
Maybe I want to shoot 30 rounds in a row and hit nothing. Why does this bother you? Why do you care what I do so much. You don't like, well, DONT DO IT.
That seems to be an issue with this country lately. You find that a small group of people doesn't like something and wants it banned, then the idiot's we elect want to make headlines and do it. The majority seems to lose more often these days because politians wont say no.
I want to ban pencils. A boy in my daughters class was blinded yesterday when he fell in class and rammed it through his eye. All in favor... shout eye, er er, I.

Can we add hotdogs to the list? They are the leading cause of toddler death by way of choking. Also, pools. People drown all the time. OH,oh,oh, how about steak knives? they're very dangerous as well.

I've only hit on a few of the hazards that face us everyday. Feel free to add to the list.
doglove

Seattle, WA

#105 Jun 2, 2008
FirstBatRanger wrote:
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I want to ban pencils. A boy in my daughters class was blinded yesterday when he fell in class and rammed it through his eye. All in favor... shout eye, er er, I.
Can we add hotdogs to the list? They are the leading cause of toddler death by way of choking. Also, pools. People drown all the time. OH,oh,oh, how about steak knives? they're very dangerous as well.
I've only hit on a few of the hazards that face us everyday. Feel free to add to the list.
Hmmm..........six hundred rounds a minute. Sounds a little bit more dangerous than a steak knife or a pencil to me.

Right six hundred toddlers die a minute from hot dogs. Swimming too, those classes are a be-atch!

YOu might not have noticed that hotdogs, pools and pencils have other uses besides killing machines. You have quite a vivid imagination. I'd love to hear all your stories about the peeps you know that died on hot dogs or pencils or in a pool.

Idiot.
Hugh Jazz

United States

#106 Jun 3, 2008
doglove wrote:
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Hmmm..........six hundred rounds a minute. Sounds a little bit more dangerous than a steak knife or a pencil to me.
Right six hundred toddlers die a minute from hot dogs. Swimming too, those classes are a be-atch!
YOu might not have noticed that hotdogs, pools and pencils have other uses besides killing machines. You have quite a vivid imagination. I'd love to hear all your stories about the peeps you know that died on hot dogs or pencils or in a pool.
Idiot.
Your correct. We should also ban the soldiers from using these guns in Iraq. Someone may get hurt.
doglove

Seattle, WA

#107 Jun 3, 2008
Hugh Jazz wrote:
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Your correct. We should also ban the soldiers from using these guns in Iraq. Someone may get hurt.
What an intelligent point!!!! Gee it is so hard to determine the difference between a kids ball field in the CT countryside and Iraq.

Your right, how could I be so wrong? Assault weapons belong on a ball field with children. Otherwise we couldn't use them in the war in Iraq.

Am I catching on to your logic?
Yuppers

United States

#108 Jun 4, 2008
doglove wrote:
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What an intelligent point!!!! Gee it is so hard to determine the difference between a kids ball field in the CT countryside and Iraq.
Your right, how could I be so wrong? Assault weapons belong on a ball field with children. Otherwise we couldn't use them in the war in Iraq.
Am I catching on to your logic?
Yes. Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks!
Responsible Gun Owner

Plainville, CT

#109 Jun 4, 2008
doglove wrote:
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Hmmm..........six hundred rounds a minute. Sounds a little bit more dangerous than a steak knife or a pencil to me.
Right six hundred toddlers die a minute from hot dogs. Swimming too, those classes are a be-atch!
YOu might not have noticed that hotdogs, pools and pencils have other uses besides killing machines. You have quite a vivid imagination. I'd love to hear all your stories about the peeps you know that died on hot dogs or pencils or in a pool.
Idiot.
I respect your opinion, however you are being overly dramatic. 600 rds per minute???? For 99.9999% of the American population, owning a firearm wih that capability is already a felony. Automatic assault weapons are highly illegal unless you are licensed by the ATF/Federal government itself, and you have to jump through hoop after hoop to get one.

The original news article is inaccurate, and you are not an avid gun collector, so I won't hold it against you. The firearm this kid used is not an AK-47, which is highly illegal in CT. It is the civilian model AK-74. It is semi-automatic with the LEGAL maximum magazine of 30 rounds and fires a smaller round. It looks just like the military model AK-47 that we see on the news and in the movies, so it's easy to get confused for someone not knowledgeable. The news article is incorrect. While the civilian AK-74 is an assault STYLE rife, it is not a true assault weapon. If you don't believe me, go to the CSP website and see the list of assault weapons banned in CT.

Yes, 600 toddlers are not dying a minute from pecils, hotdogs, or whatever....but 600 toddlers a minute are not dying from assault weapons or firearms in general in this country. Like I said, a bit overdramatic.

Firearms do not soley exist for owners to kill other people. I collect military surplus firearms for a hobby, for historical appreciation, and for target practice safely on a legal range. I do own handguns to protect my family in my own home, if God forbid, I should ever have to.

The whole right to bear arms arguement will be one that Americans still debate after you and I are long gone
doglove

Seattle, WA

#110 Jun 4, 2008
To Responsible Gun Owner:
I would like to thank you for a very informative, and level-headed contribution here.
You are correct, I do not know about guns except what I read. I read the article and did a search. It says "assault rifle" and I know that the ban that Clinton had on assault weapons, was negated by Bush.
I do understand that most gun owners use their guns responsibly and follow the law. I have friends who hunt and collect guns also.
But for people here to make the analogy of a gun to a hotdog, swimming pool or pencil is just idiotic. That's what my post was in response to. Compare collecting guns to collecting knives or other weapons, that's what they are - weapons. Go ahead and collect them, but can we please stop the denial?
This article is about a family with a mentally challenged child who was able to acess this weapon. Automatic or semi, I don't really care, that stuff just cannot happen. Where does the kid end up - on a ball field with the gun.
I respect peoples rights to own guns. But this person was not doing on his end what he has to do, to earn that respect. Making his gun INACCESIBLE to anyone but himself.
If you want to own a killer dog and he gets out, you are responsible too. Most dogs aren't kilers,'lets ban dogs now, blah, blah, blah'. Own one and you better be on top of it and you will pay a bit more on insurance too, and rightfully. Do people with guns pay more insurance (for the potential liability), as do people with dangerous dogs? Or do they just have to insure the value of the gun if they declare it?
How do you feel about having a child that you know is mentally impaired and having him get into your guns? If these things did not keep happening, anti-gun people would not be complaining.
It's like that shooting range. I respect their right to enjoy their sport, but when residential areas start getting hit, that right must be terminated. The property owners have rights also, as do the parents and children that were on that ball field that day. What about their right to let their kids enjoy school and games without fear of guns?
If it is found that the bullets are not coming from the range, then that dispute will end. But, until we know what is going on, we have to look at the POSSIBLE sources and a gun club/shooting range is a possible source. Although some on this list would suggest we should suspect the hot dog stand, or the life guard at the pool.
Thank you for a sane post on an insane thread!
Responsible Gun Owner

Plainville, CT

#111 Jun 5, 2008
To Doglove,

You make several valid points. One of which is that the owner of the firearm, assault rifle or not, should be held accountable for this incident. He is a blackeye for responsible owners everywhere. I firmly believe that people like this will be the reason it gets harder and harder for me to continue with my collection/hobby - the whole one bad apple saying. As I posted earlier, it is his responsibility to keep his firearms secure, especially with a child with those types of mental and anger management problems in the house. NO EXCUSES.

As for the gun range, we'll agree to disagree, but I'll leave you with this thought. Blue Trails was there long before any of those homes were built. I feel this is just like someone who builds a house near an airport and then complains about the noise or potential planes falling out of the sky. As much as I think it sucks for the owner and patrons of Blue Trails,(those residents shouldn't be there in the first place) realistically, the range must be made safer if it is found stray rounds are coming from there. I still think there is so much more to that story than we're privy to right now. I hope it gets resolved quickly as the public ranges in southern New England are fast becomming extinct.
Keisha Ruegger

Crownsville, MD

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