Union, superintendent clash over whet...

Union, superintendent clash over whether Dallastown teachers' offer is a wage freeze

There are 18 comments on the York Dispatch story from Apr 21, 2011, titled Union, superintendent clash over whether Dallastown teachers' offer is a wage freeze. In it, York Dispatch reports that:

Dallastown teachers union officials said Thursday their membership approved a wage freeze, weeks after the superintendent requested teachers take a wage freeze to save the district millions of dollars.

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Still in Jacobus

York, PA

#1 Apr 22, 2011
The time has come for Dr. Weinberg to play hardball with Rabuck. Continue furloughing the teachers and support staff until the budget is balanced and the distric has a comfortable 5-year reserve. Post the names of the teachers and staff in the order they will be furloughed on the distric website. Once this effort becomes personal, the negotiating leverage is gone. Human nature is a fickle maiden. The true colors of the union collective will be revealed when the many turn on the few. Being the highest paid in the county only serves to reduce the relevance of any arguement for concessions. Where are they going to go? The time for change is NOW. The private sector taxpayers have been forced to sacrifice. It's you time to shine. Good luck!
abc

York, PA

#2 Apr 22, 2011
Sounds like a win-win if programs and teachers are saved and the teachers help the District save money.
Still in Jacobus

York, PA

#3 Apr 22, 2011
abc wrote:
Sounds like a win-win if programs and teachers are saved and the teachers help the District save money.
The union requested concessions for the pay freeze. What this means is the can would be "kicked down the road" and the taxpayers would be left holding the bag 3-years from now to make them whole. Dr. Weinberg's starting position should have been a 15% pay cut, increased mandatory contributions to medical and retirement and a moratorium on educational reimbursement for a few years. The private sector employees have given at least this much over the past few years. It's time for Dallastown teachers to face reality and stop believing the lies of their union shills . Either they drive for austerity measures for their entire benefits package today, or the realities of a shrinking tax base and an increasing benefits liability will ruin them when they are least able to respond, in retirement.
Dtown Mom

York, PA

#4 Apr 22, 2011
Still in Jacobus wrote:
The time has come for Dr. Weinberg to play hardball with Rabuck. Continue furloughing the teachers and support staff until the budget is balanced and the distric has a comfortable 5-year reserve. Post the names of the teachers and staff in the order they will be furloughed on the distric website. Once this effort becomes personal, the negotiating leverage is gone. Human nature is a fickle maiden. The true colors of the union collective will be revealed when the many turn on the few. Being the highest paid in the county only serves to reduce the relevance of any arguement for concessions. Where are they going to go? The time for change is NOW. The private sector taxpayers have been forced to sacrifice. It's you time to shine. Good luck!
The teachers already have the list of the furlough order. This is already personal, hence the reason they voted for a wage freeze!

And the "concessions" - guess what! They asked for 1 In-Service day to be removed from their contract. Oooohh - how "inappropriate" of them.

And how about this - how about Weinberg reducing his over-the-top technology budget? How about removing millions from the budget spent on hand-held cameras for teachers, iPads for administrators and other junk that he thinks is worth spending our money on.
Well

York, PA

#5 Apr 22, 2011
Dtown Mom wrote:
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And the "concessions" - guess what! They asked for 1 In-Service day to be removed from their contract. Oooohh - how "inappropriate" of them.
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If that is all there is to the "concessions" that may be good news. However, at this point the only people that know what is in the package are the people that voted. If you were at the meeting last night, you will note the association president announced that they had voted for a wage freeze and are awaiting feedback from the board. When pressed, he conceded that:
1) it was a package requiring certain unspecified give backs
2) the association had not yet presented the package to the board
3) the association MAY provide the package to the board as early as this weekend

Bottom line - this was I nice stunt by the association designed to release just enough information with no detail to catch the news over the long holiday weekend. I suspect that once the board is actually presented with the details, there will be more to this story.
Dtown Mom

York, PA

#6 Apr 22, 2011
They also asked for no furloughs for the 18 teachers this year. And for subsequent years, the furloughs must be based on seniority. Right now, Weinberg has been bumping teachers across academic areas in order to remove the people he wants to remove rather than using seniority.

The reason this wasn't passed originally was because Weinberg wanted the union to take a pay cut with no agreement that he would not still furlough. So finally the union just passed the wage freeze with the no furlough language to see if the school board would still take it despite Weinberg's dissent.
Hope and Change

Lancaster, PA

#7 Apr 22, 2011
Maybe the teachers unions can go cry to the moron in the White House they all helped to elect.
tired of it all

York, PA

#9 Apr 22, 2011
how about the superintendent start paying part of his medical insurance premiums and his car, car insurance, etc. come on,$500 a month for a car, car insurance, and gas adds up! and his cost of medical insurance adds up too! come into the real world - how would he like his pay cut in half and lose his medical coverage?
Enough is Enough

York, PA

#10 Apr 22, 2011
Seriously, what is the problem? As a teacher I see no reason why teachers should not be asked to take a pay cut and increase their share of benefit costs. Whenever a private company struggles the scene is take the concessions or we go under and no one has a job. Taxpayers are in the same boat. We cannot continue to pay for TajMahal schools and overly-generous benefit packages. If these schools were private entities they would be going under. Just because taxes can be raised to increase revenue doesn't mean we should. It has to stop. School boards spent like there was no tomorrow when the economy was humming along. Now it's time to pay the piper.
Da11astown Senior

Red Lion, PA

#11 Apr 22, 2011
Since the time Dallastown requested the freeze, many other districts' teachers have accepted freezes, as well as administrators and support staff.

How about ALL of the other school districts have accepted freezes!
Get Real

York, PA

#12 Apr 22, 2011
The Dallastown teachers initially refused a wage freeze in a move that basically said "up yours" to Stu Weinberg and dared him to undertake staff cuts. Then all of the unions of the cash-strapped districts around them - including York City - agreed to wage freezes to help the budget problems of their respective districts.

Now Dallastown teachers come back with a "sorry we screwed up" wage freeze agreement that forces concessions on the board's part? Cut me a break.

Get rid of that union, the superintendent and his administration, and the board, and maybe Dallastown can get back to being the good district it once was.
UGH

Mount Wolf, PA

#13 Apr 22, 2011
Idiots - only 18 of 500 districts in PA have taken a wage freeze. Dallastown teachers agreed to an 18 month freeze. Do any of you realize that the wage freeze will solve a problem only a year at a time? The only way to fix this problem is for the district to cut the excessive spending.$2 million in technology a year plus every administrator having an Ipad, Iphone, laptop, and secretary. The excess is not in the teachers - the average is not $80,000 and Devlin has since retracted her statement made at that meeting.
Professional

Red Lion, PA

#14 Apr 22, 2011
I've always wondered why a union exists for teachers in the first place. They want to be treated like professionals, but the majority of professionals do not have unions. We earn our raises individually based on individual performance and if we're unhappy with our salaries and other compensations, we either approach our bosses and prove our worth, or seek other jobs.
Observation

Lancaster, PA

#15 Apr 22, 2011
Teachers unions are the biggest group of whiners I have ever seen in my life. When times get tough, you have to cut spending. That includes wages. Deal with it. Life isn't fair. Suck it up and move on.
Springfield Farmer

Annapolis, MD

#16 Apr 22, 2011
Still in Jacobus wrote:
. Continue furloughing the teachers and support staff until the budget is balanced and the distric has a comfortable 5-year reserve.k!
There is almost a $15,000,000.00 "fund balance"---not enough to last five years, but still obscenely high since it was built up through overtaxation.

A big pile of money is like a a big pile of manure--it gets to stinkin' unless you spread it around.
Another Observation

York, PA

#17 Apr 22, 2011
Observation wrote:
Teachers unions are the biggest group of whiners I have ever seen in my life. When times get tough, you have to cut spending. That includes wages. Deal with it. Life isn't fair. Suck it up and move on.
Teachers, what about the auto workers union who sucked up to the candidate for POTUS, got him elected, and they now are being taken care of? Life isn't fair; suck it up and move on away from teachers.
It is a start

New Freedom, PA

#18 Apr 23, 2011
UGH wrote:
Idiots - only 18 of 500 districts in PA have taken a wage freeze. Dallastown teachers agreed to an 18 month freeze. Do any of you realize that the wage freeze will solve a problem only a year at a time? The only way to fix this problem is for the district to cut the excessive spending.$2 million in technology a year plus every administrator having an Ipad, Iphone, laptop, and secretary. The excess is not in the teachers - the average is not $80,000 and Devlin has since retracted her statement made at that meeting.
So take the freeze for one year and lets go from there.

Yes, Devlin retracted her quote for this year only. The 2011/12 average salary is over $80K so let's not try to mislead people. That contract starts July 1 of this year. You'd be better off NOT bringing that up in the future.

Just sayin'
Hank

York, PA

#19 Apr 23, 2011
UGH wrote:
Idiots - only 18 of 500 districts in PA have taken a wage freeze. Dallastown teachers agreed to an 18 month freeze. Do any of you realize that the wage freeze will solve a problem only a year at a time? The only way to fix this problem is for the district to cut the excessive spending.$2 million in technology a year plus every administrator having an Ipad, Iphone, laptop, and secretary. The excess is not in the teachers - the average is not $80,000 and Devlin has since retracted her statement made at that meeting.
Idiots, really??? I sure hope with that condescending attitude that you are not a teacher. You then move on to the Rabuck lie about an 18 month wage freeze. That wage freeze "package" is costly and does not balance the budget which is the intent here. So who is the idiot? Then you move on to a Devlin retraction. This is also a lie. Please provide the link where this occured. She stated in the context of the 2011-2012 budget that the average will be 80,000 . Since you idiots refuse to take a wage freeze(with no strings attached), her statement is accurate. Do the math, idiot.

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