Outsourcing food to save Dallastown s...

Outsourcing food to save Dallastown schools nearly $1M

There are 75 comments on the The York Daily Record story from Apr 22, 2011, titled Outsourcing food to save Dallastown schools nearly $1M. In it, The York Daily Record reports that:

Officials in the Dallastown Area School District hope outsourcing its food services will serve up nearly $1 million in savings, said Supt.

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DT taxpayer

York, PA

#63 Apr 23, 2011
"It's not easy being a leader in recession times." Stewart Weinberg

Delusions of grandeur, that's what that is Stewie. That you believe you are a leader is sickening. I've know leaders in my military career and you sir, are no leader.
Hour and a half bus ride

York, PA

#64 Apr 23, 2011
Wasn't Weinberg the one who promised that he could transport all the students to the new intermediate school without addind any additional buses? How much did the 6 or 7 additional buses cost us after the opening week mess?
Sick of SW

New Park, PA

#65 Apr 23, 2011
BIG D wrote:
Every one should take a pay cut then.Dont ask some one to do some thing that you cant do your self.
It is funny you should say that. Stewie stood in front of a group of about fifty employees and said "I wouldn't ask you to do anything that I haven't already done myself." What a lie!!! What has he lost? Nothing but a freeze in pay for one year (my husband has not had an increase in five years). He should be ashamed of what he did to all of the dedicated cafeteria workers and the 90 paraprofessionals that are next in line and losing 50% of their pay plus benefits. It is time for Stewie to start giving back some of his pay, benefits, and extras. That would be the RIGHT thing to do!!! Leader my b*tt!
westwestyall

York, PA

#66 Apr 23, 2011
they should of rid the selfish teachers first for their unwillingness to accept a pay freeze
Stop Teacher Strikes

Reading, PA

#67 Apr 24, 2011
http://php.app.com/PAteachers09/results.php...

You can find out exactly how much teachers make right here!
Shake your Money Maker

York, PA

#68 Apr 24, 2011
I am working on understanding how some districts are really hurting with the lack of funding from our new governor while others are doing okay. From what I understand, the government was giving schools "stimulus" dollars. In other words, they were trying to avoid these cuts for the last few years and told administrators, "the economy sucks and we want you to make it through this okay, so here is "x" amount of dollars. This WILL NOT happen every year (stimulus money) so use it wisely to get through these tough times." Then the state continued to give them these dollars for a few years, then that funding ran out or was cut.

Now that this money was taken away, like they told schools it would be, administrators are screaming at the government for cutting education funding. I am not advocating or condoning the governmentÂ’s decision. I am just trying to understand why some schools invested in additional staffing and massive buildings with money that was not guaranteed? I know that I must be missing some type of funding, since PA has such a convoluted system to fund education. I am NOT an expert and am not saying that I am. I am just trying to solve this riddle. Any help would be appreciatedÂ….
Lunch Lady

Spring Grove, PA

#69 Apr 25, 2011
While I certainly understand the concerns of the Dallastown Foodservice employees, as a Chartwells employee in another school district, I feel I must reply to dispell some of the untruths that are being posted here.
Food-We do much of our cooking from scratch, including local favorites like stromboli, mac and cheese, pot pie and holiday dinners. We offer items that the kids ask for like fresh salads and fruits and also some of the typical kid favorites like pizza and chicken nuggets.
We do not fry anything, in fact, we do not have a fryer in the building and I don't think any of the other schools in our district have fryers either.
Training/cleanliness-several employees in each building are Serv Safe certified. I am a part time employee and I took the class the last time it was offered.
School kitches are required to be inspected 2 times per school year. Our kitchens typically have good inspection results with few or no infractions. All inspection results are available on-line....I looked at the results of the inspections in the past year at the Dallastown schools and their infractions look to be similar to ours.
Non-compete agreement-no hourly employees in my district have been asked to sign a non-compete agreement. The only employees required to sign one are salaried/management level employees.
Who are the employees?-In my district they are mostly (myself included) moms of children in the district. When I was completing my college degree I certainly didn't envision myself as a lunch lady one day but it is a job that meets the needs of myself and my family!
Clearances-all employees, both permanent and substitute in my district must have clearances prior to starting work...I would guess the same rule is in effect at Dallastown.
Is Chartwells the perfect company to work for? No, of course not, but how many people can say that they have no complaints about their job or the company they work for?
Do I make the highest wage or have the best benefits? Again, no, but who wouldn't want to make more than they make or have better benefits?
I do know that I enjoy my job and it fits well with my families needs. I am able to be home when my kids are home and I have the summer off and get to collect unemployment (something I would not be able to do if I was a school district employee!)
To those Dallastown employees that have questions, why don't you visit another district where Chartwells runs the foodservice program. I know your School Board members and Administrators visited other districts to see their food service operations, it might help to answer some of your questions.
Best of luck to all the Dallastown employees!
George

Washington, DC

#70 Apr 25, 2011
Lunch Lady wrote:
While I certainly understand the concerns of the Dallastown Foodservice employees, as a Chartwells employee in another school district, I feel I must reply to dispell some of the untruths that are being posted here.
Food-We do much of our cooking from scratch, including local favorites like stromboli, mac and cheese, pot pie and holiday dinners. We offer items that the kids ask for like fresh salads and fruits and also some of the typical kid favorites like pizza and chicken nuggets.
We do not fry anything, in fact, we do not have a fryer in the building and I don't think any of the other schools in our district have fryers either.
Training/cleanliness-several employees in each building are Serv Safe certified. I am a part time employee and I took the class the last time it was offered.
School kitches are required to be inspected 2 times per school year. Our kitchens typically have good inspection results with few or no infractions. All inspection results are available on-line....I looked at the results of the inspections in the past year at the Dallastown schools and their infractions look to be similar to ours.
Non-compete agreement-no hourly employees in my district have been asked to sign a non-compete agreement. The only employees required to sign one are salaried/management level employees.
Who are the employees?-In my district they are mostly (myself included) moms of children in the district. When I was completing my college degree I certainly didn't envision myself as a lunch lady one day but it is a job that meets the needs of myself and my family!
Clearances-all employees, both permanent and substitute in my district must have clearances prior to starting work...I would guess the same rule is in effect at Dallastown.
Is Chartwells the perfect company to work for? No, of course not, but how many people can say that they have no complaints about their job or the company they work for?
Do I make the highest wage or have the best benefits? Again, no, but who wouldn't want to make more than they make or have better benefits?
I do know that I enjoy my job and it fits well with my families needs. I am able to be home when my kids are home and I have the summer off and get to collect unemployment (something I would not be able to do if I was a school district employee!)
To those Dallastown employees that have questions, why don't you visit another district where Chartwells runs the foodservice program. I know your School Board members and Administrators visited other districts to see their food service operations, it might help to answer some of your questions.
Best of luck to all the Dallastown employees!
Great post!
herewegoagain

AOL

#71 Apr 25, 2011
Here ia another riddle to solve.... Picture this, 10 maybe 15 years ago or less you looked out your window and saw 40 acres of corn fields, today that same field has grown 50 houses in the $300,000 to $500,000 price range. That corn field was paying about $300 a year in school taxes. The current "field of houses" pays about $5,000 50 times or $250,000 a year in school taxes. Now I know that those houses have produced more kids at the school but the national average of 1.3 kids per household equals 65 kids. Are you telling me that it takes 1/4 of a million to support 65 kids? And multiply that one corn field conversion by the hundreds of times that it has happen in your school district. I can not believe that all that increased revenue has been offset by increased services. Once again ..as with the entire gov. system we have a spending problem not a revenue problem.
disgusted

York, PA

#72 Apr 27, 2011
It's very disappointing that the school board and the general public look at the estimated $13.08 an hour that myself and my fellow lunch ladies are supposedly making, and decide that we make too much an hour. I personally am not making that much, but you have to understand that the women that are have been there 15 or 20 years. They earned that by probably getting 25 cents an hour raise annually. Does'nt everyone like to get a raise at the end of the year, just to affirm a job well done? The $7.50 an hour that Chartwells is going to offer us is insulting. That's the amount a sixteen year old would get at any entry level job. Needless to say, none of us is sixteen and we all bust our butts to get those kids fed everyday. We might not all have college degrees but it takes a lot of of mental and physical ability not to mention patience to work together as a well oiled team. In general it's a workout. Plus we care deeply for the kids. What a disaster. Dr. Weinberg needs to go. He has divided this school district and turned our proud heritage here at Dallastown into a dictatorship.
Ronaldus Magnus

United States

#73 Apr 27, 2011
Concerned Citizen wrote:
Please Ex-Yorker! Teachers are not overpaid! When was the last time you taught 150 different children in one day! Don't make idiotic comments until you have walked in their shoes! You are just making typical Republican comments without knowing anything about education! How can we outsource education to India when they are one of our biggest competitors! Real intelligent comment! We want our nation to be competitive but we don't invest properly in our education system! If any teachers are reading this comment please know that you are appreciated and don't listen to these haters! I'm sure Ex yorker is a retired person living in Florida and already made his money but doesn't want anyone else to do the same. Typical Republican fashion! If we don't properly educate our children then the U.S. will not remain a global economic force! We don't live in the same world as others that claim, "why don't we teach our children in a one room school house!" Those days are long gone. Instead idiots just bash the people who are trying to ensure that our future generations can compete with the world and try to keep the U.S. as a superpower. One of the main reasons why the U.S. was an economic power in the 50's and 60's was that we were the only nation that did not suffer home territory damage after WWII. Our infrastructure was completely intact compared to European and Asian nations. Understand your history Ex-Yorker b/c your wrong in your assumptions! Wake up Middle Class!
You are really out of touch!

The average salary of a teacher in Dallastown for 2011-2012 is scheduled to be about $80,000. Plus they get other benefits as well.

They pay about 7% of the cost of their health care (private sector pays about 20%), they have a defined benefit pension (most private sectors use 401K's instead because pensions have become unsustainable), they have tenure which makes it very hard to get laid off or fired, they can't be fired for "economic reasons", they have off every summer from 6/15 - 8/15 or so.

When you add it all up, it's a pretty good deal.

And just in case the deal is not good enough the teachers (who work for a state mandated monopoly) can go on strike for a better deal!

You can call blame Republicans for pushing back against the teachers but I think Democrats are pushing back as well.

It's simple, the current set up regarding teacher compensation is unsustainable and must be changed.
Reality

White Hall, MD

#74 Apr 27, 2011
Ronaldus Magnus wrote:
<quoted text>
You are really out of touch!
The average salary of a teacher in Dallastown for 2011-2012 is scheduled to be about $80,000. Plus they get other benefits as well.
They pay about 7% of the cost of their health care (private sector pays about 20%), they have a defined benefit pension (most private sectors use 401K's instead because pensions have become unsustainable), they have tenure which makes it very hard to get laid off or fired, they can't be fired for "economic reasons", they have off every summer from 6/15 - 8/15 or so.
When you add it all up, it's a pretty good deal.
And just in case the deal is not good enough the teachers (who work for a state mandated monopoly) can go on strike for a better deal!
You can call blame Republicans for pushing back against the teachers but I think Democrats are pushing back as well.
It's simple, the current set up regarding teacher compensation is unsustainable and must be changed.
Come on now. Star sports player's make millions. The teachers are under paid compared to them. Even the C.E.O at Harley makes more. And they don't have to teach 150 different students every day.
Teaching the same subject to 6 different classes every day should be worth 6 times the pay.
Ronaldus Magnus

United States

#75 Apr 27, 2011
Reality wrote:
<quoted text>
Come on now. Star sports player's make millions. The teachers are under paid compared to them. Even the C.E.O at Harley makes more. And they don't have to teach 150 different students every day.
Teaching the same subject to 6 different classes every day should be worth 6 times the pay.
I am sure you are just kidding. You forgot that teachers have to buy their own clothes and take work home sometimes too.
resident

York, PA

#76 Apr 28, 2011
Maybe if they wouldn't have put flat screen tv's in the cafeteria they'd have some extra money to pay the cafeteria workers! Seriously, my children DO NOT watch tv at home while they eat. They should NOT be able to at school either!!! Think about spending the money where it's needed! Like more chairs in the cafeteria. I know plenty of times my children have had to stand and eate because of upper classmen taking the chairs from neighboring tables! How rude! And then the Aids don't defend them when they try to get a chair? WHAT??? Maybe you higher paid people should cut your salary too! Try living on about $35k a year and living paycheck to paycheck! NOT FUN! Makes me sick think you need so much money and what do you do? HAHA It's just so funny! They need to rethink school taxes too! Why do I pay the same about as the Mrs. up the street with 6 kids? And the ones with no kids pay the same too? WHAT? I don't get it! Wise up!
Steve

Omaha, NE

#77 Apr 28, 2011
Its a no brainer wrote:
Blaming the teachers is EXACTLY what Stewie wants...THE SCHOOL BOARD APPROVED the contract!!!!
If you spend anytime on the campus, yo ucan arrive at the conclusion that there is no diff between, teachers, administrators or service employees. Its an empire that is above scruitny.

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