2nd annual Tea party rally draws smal...

2nd annual Tea party rally draws smaller crowd

There are 104 comments on the Evening Sun story from Apr 15, 2011, titled 2nd annual Tea party rally draws smaller crowd. In it, Evening Sun reports that:

Jim Sylvester, of Littlestown, holds a Gadsden "Don t Tread on Me" flag at the Hanover Tea Party Patriots' tax day rally in Hanover on Friday.

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BigJohn

Hanover, PA

#1 Apr 15, 2011
I have never seen such arseoles as these t partyers and right wingers in general. Here in Hanover and surrounding areas many claim to be Republicans and many are unemployed and not looking for work because they make as much sitting at home on unemployment compensation as they did in their low paying jobs. Freeloading bastages I call them. Phoney baloneys, lower than whale shite.
Jason McNew

Star City, IN

#2 Apr 15, 2011
"There are real problems here," he said. "Our education system is crap."

Please allow me to qualify this. The U.S. is 23rd world wide in science, and 30th in math. Pennsylvania, in turn, ranks 42nd in the U.S. on it's SAT scores. Upper Adams School District is below the 60th percentile for PSSA testing. Additionally, U.S. per-pupil spending has QUADRUPLED (adjusted for inflation) in the last 50 years. These, ladies and gentlemen, are the facts, however unpleasant they are. These are our children, our schools, and OUR tax money. We are dumping money into public education and getting noting of value in return. I believe the PSEA, the PDE, and our school boards owes us a written, published explanation for why these circumstances exist.

Parents - politicians and useless bureaucrats are NOT going to fix these problems. It is up to you to begin attending school board meetings, reviewing school curricula and books, and going over district strategic plans.

I can be reached for comments or questions at jasond@mcnew.org.
RINO

York, PA

#3 Apr 15, 2011
I am surprised that the turnout was down. I would have thought that nothing better says,“I want to take back my country” than a redneck food court.
RINO

York, PA

#4 Apr 15, 2011
Jason McNew wrote:
"There are real problems here," he said. "Our education system is crap."
Please allow me to qualify this. The U.S. is 23rd world wide in science, and 30th in math. Pennsylvania, in turn, ranks 42nd in the U.S. on it's SAT scores. Upper Adams School District is below the 60th percentile for PSSA testing. Additionally, U.S. per-pupil spending has QUADRUPLED (adjusted for inflation) in the last 50 years. These, ladies and gentlemen, are the facts, however unpleasant they are. These are our children, our schools, and OUR tax money. We are dumping money into public education and getting noting of value in return. I believe the PSEA, the PDE, and our school boards owes us a written, published explanation for why these circumstances exist.
Parents - politicians and useless bureaucrats are NOT going to fix these problems. It is up to you to begin attending school board meetings, reviewing school curricula and books, and going over district strategic plans.

I can be reached for comments or questions at jasond@mcnew.org.
The problem with comparing America with other countries is that in the USA everyone is allowed to participate in the secondary educational system. In other countries, there is a weeding out process for advancement into the secondary pre-college curriculum.
Jason McNew

Star City, IN

#5 Apr 15, 2011
I would like to address this statement as well, made by a UASD school board member, and chair of the local chapter of DFA:

"A lot of the Tea party groups think we shouldn't be paying more taxes. They think we don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem. But we say we have a revenue problem -- because most of our major corporations don't pay."

We as a nation began consuming more than we are producing in about 1980, and borrowing (or printing) the money to make up the difference. Expansion of credit creates only bubbles and the illusion of wealth; credit expansion does not lead to the creation of real wealth. Otherwise, the entire 3rd world could have borrowed itself out of poverty. This fact should be painfully evident to anyone who has paid attention to what happened with real estate. Please see Von Mises and the Austrian school of economics (vs. that of Keynes, who is embraced by progressives because his notions fit their political ideology.) All of the analysts who correctly predicted the housing bubble were followers of Von Mises - every one of them.

Public debt at the municipal, state, and federal level is 14.2T, and private debt (what the citizens have borrowed to finance homes, cars, etc.- is north of 34T. Unfunded liabilities are over 50T. The Congress (all spending bills originate in the House) is presently borrowing 42 cents of every dollar that it is spending. This is not sane -- it is mathematically impossible for the U.S. to pay this money back.

Essentially, the same thing was tried by the Romans and the French. The Romans were financing a desirable life style by pillaging other nations (actual imperialism), which led to the Roman civil war when they became overstretched. The French aristocracy borrowed so much money, that prior to the French Revolution, 60% of tax revenues were being used to service just the *interest* on their debt. The point is -- do not think that advanced societies (even the U.S.) are incapable of unconscionable fiscal stupidity. When the American people come to realise (and accept) how badly they have been robbed by their elected politicians, many of those politicians will need to go into hiding for their own safety.

There is an old saying - "That which cannot go on forever, won't." Eventually,(perhaps sooner rather than later), the USD is going to lose it's status as the global reserve currency. This is going to result in a very painful social and economic correction, perhaps even worse than what happened in the UK after the sterling had lost (after 200 years) it's reserve currency status. The price of everything we import (oil, food, consumer goods) is going to raise precipitously.

The crop of politicians in DC right now (and I mean all of them) are abhorrent. They win elections by seeing who can insult the other party the most, and who can promise the most benefits, funded out of the public treasury.

If the U.S. government becomes fiscally insolvent (which is a certainty without a dramatic correction), it will have difficulty protecting life, liberty, and property (it's proper role), much less providing for goods and services (which Progressives who ignore Natural Law think are "human rights") such as education and health care.
Jason McNew

Star City, IN

#6 Apr 15, 2011
RINO wrote:
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The problem with comparing America with other countries is that in the USA everyone is allowed to participate in the secondary educational system. In other countries, there is a weeding out process for advancement into the secondary pre-college curriculum.
This is an important observation, but not entirely accurate. Several US states (including PA) have vocational technical skills within secondary education. Even accounting for this, the fact that the U.S. is 20th in mathematics is completely unacceptable.
the middle way

Hanover, PA

#7 Apr 15, 2011
RINO wrote:
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The problem with comparing America with other countries is that in the USA everyone is allowed to participate in the secondary educational system. In other countries, there is a weeding out process for advancement into the secondary pre-college curriculum.
Excellent point! This country believes that education is a RIGHT. It's not. All you tea-party constitutionalists, show me in the Constitution that says education is a RIGHT...

That being said, everybody needs enough training to becoming a useful, productive citizen. Part of the problem is the disappearance of huge numbers of unskilled or semi-skilled jobs that used to exist for hard-working people who didn't do that well with formal education. What do you do with the people who are simply incapable of performing complicated tasks, even though they work hard and try hard. C'mon, tea partiers--you seem to think you know all the answers.
Sun Missed the Story

Hanover, PA

#8 Apr 15, 2011
In their rush to get the story in on time, Evening Sun missed perhaps the biggest story related to this event-the amount of veterans present, and the speech given by veteran Robert Allen Mansfield.

Easily, that speech was the highlight of the event. It was emotional, honest, inspiring, heartfelt, and passionate. And above all, a dramatic departure from the media and otherwise ignorant depiction and perception of the T Partiers as "rednecks" or one dimensional.

And, on a related note, I was suprised and somewhate impressed by the diversity of speakers and attendees. Not that it really matter, except it does run contrary to the media's usual narrative about the T. Party, but there was a black speaker (Mansfield), an Indian or middle eastern speaker, and fairly large percentage of minority supporters.

Maybe the best speech and highlight of the day, and the Evening sun missed it.

Also, I get that the Sun wants to be "fair and balanced" in giving the Yeehaw Howard Dean Democracy group some coverage, but why piggyback it directly on this story? It's a bit of a slap in the face to the all the members and organizers and supporters of this event, to use their event and their story as a lead in to another one.

Must've been that liberal editor of yours calling the shots and handing down decisions from on high. Can't let the Tea party have their moment all alone, now can we? Even though they sure worked for it and earned it.

Evening Sun: go back and do this story right, and get some coverage on Robert Allen Mansfield. Watch it on Youtube.
Curious

Hanover, PA

#9 Apr 16, 2011
How correct you are Jason. Hanover Public School District numbers are also horrible. Instead of corrections what we end up getting from the administration and their lackeys who don't bother to do any research are excuses about the make-up of the student population (we have a lot of spanish speaking, autistic, mentally challenged etc. etc). The truth is every school district has these issues but not every one is in the bottom 20% of the state. We have students who can quote Thoreau and then turn around and have the audacity to ask "what about me". There is an expectation that the school should pander to each and every student, each and every student is a beautiful and unique snowflake which needs individual attention, tending and should be catered to on that individual level. Yet our test scores don't even reach the PA average. We have an outrageous school debt of $30 million and much of our yearly intake of revenue goes to fund the interest and principle of that debt. We have unions controlling everyone in the district dictating the money end and insisting that instead of cutting we should be instituting tax increases on a no-growth and elderly population. The whole situation is intolerable and it really doesn't take a genius to see what is coming down the road.

You want to fix the situation 1) get rid of the unions and their ability to control the money end - they would rather see excellent and valuable teachers laid off (seniority system) rather then their power/benefits diminished; 2) teach the children that if you are in the top 5% and you don't find the courses offered challenging take college courses or combine with other schools - it should be the job of the administration to find a vehicle to allow this to happen instead of trying to force the board to approve classes which have 4 or 5 people in it 3) if you are a kid or a parent who has children in the top 5% or bottom 5% quit expecting everyone to ignore the 90% in order to meet the needs of your child - that is what college is for - high school is there to provide basic education for those who don't go to college and a basis for those who do attend college not provide college level courses; 4) If the school board deems that an increase in taxes is necessary prove it but don't expect an automatic increase if you are moving money at the end of every year in order to get another automatic increase which is what has happened in previous years; 5)invest time and resources to yearly maintenance and yearly renovations if necessary - don't borrow and claim we have this money we have to spend it; 6)support the removal of unnecessary and expensive mandates from the state/federal level - we end up spending more money yet our scores not just as a state but as a nation are decreasing pushing us towards a nation of government welfare and takers instead of innovators and creators of business.
It sometimes begs the question of who is running the asylum? The students who can demand classes and have a "me first and only" attitude; the parents who demand at the individual level for their children; the administration whose intent is to build expensive stadiums and make excuses for test scores below the state average or is it the School Board who should control the direction of our district?
Ezra

Gettysburg, PA

#10 Apr 16, 2011
The U.S. has the 3rd lowest tax rate as a percentage of GDP in the world. It's 24% compared to most modern countries in the mid 30's to low 40's. Most of the countries with these seemingly excessive tax rates have well managed universal health care, excellent education systems, very low unemployment rates (many 3 to 5 percent) life expectancy in the late 70's through low 80's and I don't find many articles about tax revolts except in the U.S. We are the largest economy in the world with very high productivity so one would expect a low rate as a % of GDP But still most of the comments here are complaints about how bad things are. As evidenced by the facts if you want better social programs you have to be willing to pay for them. Bring on higher taxes but use the additional revenue wisely, not for bigger government but on social programs that will truly improve the middle class and reduce or eliminate the national debt of approximately $42,000 per person. Though I don't care much for tea party politics and platforms it is wonderful to see Americans getting involved in our political system. Get out and vote at every opportunity or stop complaining about the status quo.
MikeinHanover

Hanover, PA

#11 Apr 16, 2011
There is nothing like religion, sex, and money to bring out the best. I'm happy that money is our focus.

One hope I have is that people will listen for the substance in what our elected officials and want-to-be-elected-officials say. I know it will be difficult. Many of them string words together yet say nothing. Those here who write with fact are inspiring. Namecalling on the other hand is of no benefit to anyone or anybody.

Another hope I have is that our votes begin to weed out those who are incapable of meeting our expectations.

Money talks!!! That's what made us important before, that is what will make us important again.
American Nationalist

Red Lion, PA

#12 Apr 16, 2011
BigJohn wrote:
I have never seen such arseoles as these t partyers and right wingers in general. Here in Hanover and surrounding areas many claim to be Republicans and many are unemployed and not looking for work because they make as much sitting at home on unemployment compensation as they did in their low paying jobs. Freeloading bastages I call them. Phoney baloneys, lower than whale shite.
My guess is that you're on the public dole and getting your entitlements and that is why you don't want to see people wanting their tax dollars going to your lazy butt.
American Nationalist

Red Lion, PA

#13 Apr 16, 2011
RINO wrote:
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The problem with comparing America with other countries is that in the USA everyone is allowed to participate in the secondary educational system. In other countries, there is a weeding out process for advancement into the secondary pre-college curriculum.
What other countries>
Curious

Hanover, PA

#14 Apr 16, 2011
Ezra wrote:
The U.S. has the 3rd lowest tax rate as a percentage of GDP in the world. It's 24% compared to most modern countries in the mid 30's to low 40's. Most of the countries with these seemingly excessive tax rates have well managed universal health care, excellent education systems, very low unemployment rates (many 3 to 5 percent) life expectancy in the late 70's through low 80's and I don't find many articles about tax revolts except in the U.S. We are the largest economy in the world with very high productivity so one would expect a low rate as a % of GDP But still most of the comments here are complaints about how bad things are. As evidenced by the facts if you want better social programs you have to be willing to pay for them. Bring on higher taxes but use the additional revenue wisely, not for bigger government but on social programs that will truly improve the middle class and reduce or eliminate the national debt of approximately $42,000 per person. Though I don't care much for tea party politics and platforms it is wonderful to see Americans getting involved in our political system. Get out and vote at every opportunity or stop complaining about the status quo.
Have you looked at those countries lately? Europe is falling apart from the socialism. Greece, Portugal, Spain, France and even England. Socialist programs require large amounts of cash from the people leaving less cash to actually create jobs. What will truly improve the middle class are jobs which are created by private industry, not thru govt socialist programs.

Since: Oct 10

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#15 Apr 16, 2011
Curious wrote:
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Have you looked at those countries lately? Europe is falling apart from the socialism. Greece, Portugal, Spain, France and even England. Socialist programs require large amounts of cash from the people leaving less cash to actually create jobs. What will truly improve the middle class are jobs which are created by private industry, not thru govt socialist programs.
Right here we have another one demonstrating how ignoring your teachers through 12 years of school only to graduate listening to a 300 pound cigar smoking, big mouth, fat slob or an ex zoo keeper with a chalk board continues to dumb down America....I'm truly amazed how effective the radio and television is at making someone....this stupid.

Here's a test stupid :

The United States has one of the most effective transportation systems in the world , this system was built and is to this day funded by the Federal government, the general public can use this system at any given time to travel to " ANY " of the lower 48 states.

Can you name this socialistic system.

( You may want to save that one for a call in on Monday to the Rush Limbaugh show.)
mustg94

Whitehall, PA

#16 Apr 16, 2011
Sun Missed the Story wrote:
In their rush to get the story in on time, Evening Sun missed perhaps the biggest story related to this event-the amount of veterans present, and the speech given by veteran Robert Allen Mansfield.
Easily, that speech was the highlight of the event. It was emotional, honest, inspiring, heartfelt, and passionate. And above all, a dramatic departure from the media and otherwise ignorant depiction and perception of the T Partiers as "rednecks" or one dimensional.
And, on a related note, I was suprised and somewhate impressed by the diversity of speakers and attendees. Not that it really matter, except it does run contrary to the media's usual narrative about the T. Party, but there was a black speaker (Mansfield), an Indian or middle eastern speaker, and fairly large percentage of minority supporters.
Maybe the best speech and highlight of the day, and the Evening sun missed it.
Also, I get that the Sun wants to be "fair and balanced" in giving the Yeehaw Howard Dean Democracy group some coverage, but why piggyback it directly on this story? It's a bit of a slap in the face to the all the members and organizers and supporters of this event, to use their event and their story as a lead in to another one.
Must've been that liberal editor of yours calling the shots and handing down decisions from on high. Can't let the Tea party have their moment all alone, now can we? Even though they sure worked for it and earned it.
Evening Sun: go back and do this story right, and get some coverage on Robert Allen Mansfield. Watch it on Youtube.
All the unemployed in the area waiting for their govt.unemployement checks.They have nothing better to do except maybe watch their soaps.
Jason McNew

Star City, IN

#17 Apr 16, 2011
Ezra wrote:
The U.S. has the 3rd lowest tax rate as a percentage of GDP in the world. It's 24% compared to most modern countries in the mid 30's to low 40's. Most of the countries with these seemingly excessive tax rates have well managed universal health care, excellent education systems, very low unemployment rates (many 3 to 5 percent) life expectancy in the late 70's through low 80's and I don't find many articles about tax revolts except in the U.S. We are the largest economy in the world with very high productivity so one would expect a low rate as a % of GDP But still most of the comments here are complaints about how bad things are. As evidenced by the facts if you want better social programs you have to be willing to pay for them. Bring on higher taxes but use the additional revenue wisely, not for bigger government but on social programs that will truly improve the middle class and reduce or eliminate the national debt of approximately $42,000 per person. Though I don't care much for tea party politics and platforms it is wonderful to see Americans getting involved in our political system. Get out and vote at every opportunity or stop complaining about the status quo.
I'm not even going to bother debating this. Western liberal democracy is on it's death bed -- primarily because of an over-belief in egalitarianism (and a failure to understand history). Depending on your age, you yourself are going to witness it.

In a way, I admire progressive optimism - but some people I think that if you strapped them in the pit, they would ignore the pendulum. Those are the people who are going to suffer the most, when the USD loses it's reserve status (which will take Europe's economy down with it).
Tea Party Man

Shrewsbury, PA

#18 Apr 16, 2011
U news paper guys dont never get no thing right!!!! They was a good croud and we had a good time!!!! lots of good poepel talked & evry body was dresed up in old Glory!!!! I had my uncle Sam big hat & Fred had on his big purl handle Colt with the fancy sliver hosters. we handed out bumber stikers & postera. Tea Party is stronger then evver!!!! we R gettin out THE TRUTH FOR AMERICA!!!! vote 4 SARAH IN 2012!!!! thankyou
Jason McNew

Star City, IN

#19 Apr 16, 2011
Lapse of Reason wrote:
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rs through 12 years of school only to graduate listening to a 300 pound cigar smoking, big mouth, fat slob or an ex zoo keeper with a chalk board continues to dumb down America....I'm truly amazed how effective the radio and television is at making someone....this stupid.
Here's a test stupid :
The United States has one of the most effective transportation systems in the world , this system was built and is to this day funded by the Federal government, the general public can use this system at any given time to travel to " ANY " of the lower 48 states.
Can you name this socialistic system.
Please see article one of the Constitution. The Congress does in fact have the powers to tax, spend, declare war, and raise an army. The highway system was a defence appropriation as a result of problems that arose out of WWII. It's purpose was to expedite the movement of troops, tanks, aircraft, armaments, etc. Now - in fairness, it must be admitted that the highway system is among the few projects of the federal government which have provided a return on investment. But, this project was initiated by honest, decent Americans -- the Highway Bill was about 55 pages.

The other things for which you pine do not fall within the confines of the 20 or so powers enumerated to the Congress. If you think they should, that is fine -- because the Constitution can be amended, as it has been 26 times since it's signing.

The rule of law must be respected, however, and as it is written the provision of health care (or education) does not fall within the confines of the enumerated powers. The many states (this is a republic) are another matter.
Steven

Gettysburg, PA

#20 Apr 16, 2011
Tea Party Man wrote:
U news paper guys dont never get no thing right!!!! They was a good croud and we had a good time!!!! lots of good poepel talked & evry body was dresed up in old Glory!!!! I had my uncle Sam big hat & Fred had on his big purl handle Colt with the fancy sliver hosters. we handed out bumber stikers & postera. Tea Party is stronger then evver!!!! we R gettin out THE TRUTH FOR AMERICA!!!! vote 4 SARAH IN 2012!!!! thankyou
I know you're just a commie disguising as a Tea Partier, purposefully misspelling in order to insult childishly real patriots. You Marxists suck.

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