Dallastown district, union spar over teacher wage freeze

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The Dallastown Area School District has gone on the offensive after union officials decided not to have teachers vote on a full wage freeze. Full Story
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padutcher

York, PA

#1 May 3, 2011
In other words, the school district is saying that if school employees are willing to absorb all the district's cost increased related to inflation: gas prices increases, heating oil cost increases, the increasing cost of supplies, etc., the district will accept a wage freeze.

This is nonsense. The district backed themselves into tax increases with building projects and now want to blame the cost increases all on the teachers. The percentage of the Dallastown budget going to wages and salaries has actually shrunk over the last ten years. The Board should accept the teacher's conditions for a wage freeze and move on. A wage freeze is a wage freeze, why look a gift horse in the mouth. It is the state that backed Dallastown into this situation by cutting school funding.
SMH

York, PA

#2 May 3, 2011
This goes beyond a district problem....this goes to the state level, and the fact that the PSEA president suggested that all district unions consider taking a pay freeze. Other school district teachers have decided to take a year's pay freeze that will ultimately benefit the children. Suck it up! I teach in a neighboring district and we banded together to take the freeze WITHOUT an additional personal day or any "bonus"....I am a HUGE union supporter, but I think in these economic times, where millions have lost their jobs, a year's pay freeze will hurt no one and help so many.
question

York, PA

#3 May 3, 2011
What district took a full pay freeze and didn't get anything in return? You didn't even save any jobs with your pay freeze?

Most schools take the pay freeze and save jobs plus get an extra personal day or something small.
Think again

Lancaster, PA

#4 May 3, 2011
padutcher wrote:
In other words, the school district is saying that if school employees are willing to absorb all the district's cost increased related to inflation: gas prices increases, heating oil cost increases, the increasing cost of supplies, etc., the district will accept a wage freeze.
This is nonsense. The district backed themselves into tax increases with building projects and now want to blame the cost increases all on the teachers. The percentage of the Dallastown budget going to wages and salaries has actually shrunk over the last ten years. The Board should accept the teacher's conditions for a wage freeze and move on. A wage freeze is a wage freeze, why look a gift horse in the mouth. It is the state that backed Dallastown into this situation by cutting school funding.
The vast majority of the entire school budget is the salary and benefit package for teachers. Building projects are not the root of the crisis. Every-increasing teacher salaries and overly-generous pension and healthcare plans (compared to the private sector) have brought things to this point. The taxpaying public is not receiving such raises and benefits, and they are finally rebelling against teacher unions. They are sick and tired of the inequity of what teachers receive compared to what they get, especially since they are the ones footing the bill. Teacher unions have lost the high ground in the battle. The public will accept teacher furloughs now because their school taxes have stretched them to the breaking point. This is the new normal, Dallastown teachers. You need to accept it. You will not win this one.
mac

AOL

#5 May 3, 2011
the school board for possibly the first time in history is working with the taxpayers interest in mind , not what the union demands ... using the students as hostages . school boards for years have taken the property owner to the cleaners , now with salary and benefits teachers and state workers make about twice what the people forced to pay for them make ! no taxpayer funded employee (state or school)should make more than the average property owner does . that would be a good incentive to put out a really good product ... one that's going to make a good income , that way the teachers get a raise because the average income goes up ! and if that's not enough ... get in the free market , that way the only limit is you and the big government liberals unions like !
Taxpayer

York, PA

#6 May 3, 2011
How can the teacher's union look all of the taxpayers in the eye and state that a tax increase of any kind is appropriate. "Think again" is correct, ever-increasing teacher salaries and overly-generous pension and healthcare plans have brought us to this point. Raising taxes again is not the answer.
4kids

New Cumberland, PA

#7 May 3, 2011
Taxpayer wrote:
How can the teacher's union look all of the taxpayers in the eye and state that a tax increase of any kind is appropriate. "Think again" is correct, ever-increasing teacher salaries and overly-generous pension and healthcare plans have brought us to this point. Raising taxes again is not the answer.
You'll notice if you read the correct version of events that the union members decided that it is not their place to decide on a tax increase and that part of the vote was removed.
No New Taxes

York, PA

#8 May 3, 2011
Is there a legitimate, logical reason, why teachers need to be unionized in the first place? Are working conditions so poor in Pennsylvania public schools that teachers require the extortionate protectionism of collective bargaining? What arrogance to demand more personal days or fewer work days when you already have 90 days off every summer!

Teachers used to be revered as integral members of their community. Now they are reviled as protected members of an entitlement society hell-bent on bleeding as much as possible from the taxpayers.

Eliminate public employee collective bargaining in Pennsylvania and let each teacher stand on his or her own merit. THEN you will see real change in public school finances.
In The Know

Huntington, WV

#9 May 4, 2011
This whole fight is very much linked to the upcoming school board election.

The business as usual administration and board members at Dallastown want to look tough before the election.

Two years ago in 2009 they locked in the pay raises for teachers when they deliberately approved a new contract before pro-taxpayer candidates could take their seats on the board.

Now they are putting on this show before the election hoping to save their skins.

Re-elect Caroll Tignall and elect other pro-taxpayer candidates on May 17th.
Are You Kidding ME

Shrewsbury, PA

#10 May 4, 2011
Yet again...the Dallastown teachers have been in the highest paid teachers in the county/region for years and that is not good enough? Salaries, benefits, and "overtime perks" have been front-loaded for a decade yet they demand outrageous, temporary concessions? Another personal day, a workday taken away, a FULL TAX increase, THEN they will take a freeze until December?!! Not even taking a free during the first full year?

Wow.

The supporters teachers have had will soon be dwindling. Seems like arrogance is contagious. Not only do we have an arrogant Superintendent and School Board, the teachers have joined them in the fight to fleece our District.

Disappointing. Very disappointing.
WMM

York, PA

#11 May 4, 2011
The poor cafeteria workers are getting paid less. The aids are getting paid less and working less hours. Even admin took a wage freeze. Step up and take your turn, teachers.
Fed-up

United States

#12 May 4, 2011
I hope the taxpayers see the greed exhibited by our over paid teachers. Let them strike on the next contract and go elsewhere.....oops that's right they won't be able to find compensation anywhere else like they have here right now. Hello teachers, we all see you now for what you really are....an over compensation bunch of greedy whiners, your day is coming very soon
Bro1856

Cockeysville, MD

#13 May 4, 2011
During this next election, we need to vote out anyone who approved a tax increase over the past few years. Vote in people who will commit to busting the teacher's union and reminding these people that they work FOR us and only at our SUFFERANCE will they keep their jobs or get raises.
Get Real Teachers

Towson, MD

#14 May 4, 2011
The teachers union is unbelievably tone deaf in these economic hard times. They should all be ashamed of this goof who calls himself a president. Teachers....tell Rabuck to wake up and smell the roses, or else send him packing. Your refusal to accept this modest proposal...that every one of us in the private sector (and now even most local school districts) has been forced to endure for several years now, only makes you look completely like public parasites who only want to feed at the taxpayer trough. I don't see how you can stand to show your face in public while refusing this simple request that will help out so many people. Unbelievable! I agree with the prior poster that we need to re-elect Carroll Tignall and other pro-taxpayer candidates to confront this ultimate greed. Tignall is the only board member who has consistently held this board and district accountable. Without him, who knows where we would be at this point. If you care about fiscal responsibility in DASD, tell all your friends we must elect Tignall and others who will confront this greed. I've completely lost all respect for teachers...mostly because of the thug-like behavior of your union president. Get rid of him and restore your credibility among the residents.
Dtown Mom

York, PA

#15 May 4, 2011
No New Taxes wrote:
Is there a legitimate, logical reason, why teachers need to be unionized in the first place? Are working conditions so poor in Pennsylvania public schools that teachers require the extortionate protectionism of collective bargaining? What arrogance to demand more personal days or fewer work days when you already have 90 days off every summer!
Teachers used to be revered as integral members of their community. Now they are reviled as protected members of an entitlement society hell-bent on bleeding as much as possible from the taxpayers.
Eliminate public employee collective bargaining in Pennsylvania and let each teacher stand on his or her own merit. THEN you will see real change in public school finances.
First let me say that I do not like the way the union handled this. They should have recommended their teachers take the wage freeze from the very beginning so that they could have saved jobs. They didn't, Weinberg made cuts, and now he can't put the toothpaste back in the tube now that the union wants to negotiate.

However, I do think that teachers unions are a necessary evil. If there was no teachers union, parents would be trying to fire every teacher that walks the planet. There would always be some teacher a parent didn't like, some fabricated story a kid makes up, etc. And that would result in absolutely no education taking place at all.

So while I don't like it, teachers unions are necessary.
Dtown Mom

York, PA

#16 May 4, 2011
In The Know wrote:
Re-elect Caroll Tignall and elect other pro-taxpayer candidates on May 17th.
Yes, I would LOVE to have some board members that do not say yes to everything Dr. Weinberg says. Please, please, please give us some school board members that can get him under control. This is why we're in this mess in the first place.

HOWEVER, Caroll Tignall isn't the answer either. He has made it his life's work to say no to absolutely everything.

He is so spiteful that he actually voted no for the new intermediate school to form a PTO. So while we all may disagree with what Weinberg spent on the new school, saying no to the kids having a PTO is sick. If Tignall can't see past his hate of Weinberg to make good choices for kids (ones that are even not related to taxpayer money), then he isn't a good choice either!
Bro1856

Cockeysville, MD

#17 May 4, 2011
Dtown Mom wrote:
<quoted text>
First let me say that I do not like the way the union handled this. They should have recommended their teachers take the wage freeze from the very beginning so that they could have saved jobs. They didn't, Weinberg made cuts, and now he can't put the toothpaste back in the tube now that the union wants to negotiate.
However, I do think that teachers unions are a necessary evil. If there was no teachers union, parents would be trying to fire every teacher that walks the planet. There would always be some teacher a parent didn't like, some fabricated story a kid makes up, etc. And that would result in absolutely no education taking place at all.
So while I don't like it, teachers unions are necessary.
It wouldn't be the case if we had administrators and board members that would not be afraid of conflict and willing to investigate the issues.

Unfortunately, they are afraid of conflict and this has allowed the union to run willy nilly over the taxpayers and the system. Frankly, I'd rather trust the parents at this point over the union leaders.
Steve Donovan

Philadelphia, PA

#18 May 4, 2011
Another bunch of whiners. Get rid of the Union.
SOS

York, PA

#19 May 4, 2011
Why can't our state legislature pass a bill (as the majority of states have) that prohibit public employees from striking? Oh, I forgot the state dept. of education are also unionized. Teacher contracts should be like police & fire and have a no strike clause. Time to stop holding the students & parents hostage over threats of a strike. All this as educational scores continue to drop.
look at this

York, PA

#20 May 4, 2011
I just heard on a radio program that our Navy SEALS make $54,000.00 year. They don't get summers off, they don't get sick days, personal days, "association days", etc. They don't strike, they don't demonstrate. They don't have a union. They quietly risk their lives for us 24/7 without complaint. And they don't demand that the taxpayers build them new barracks or other monuments. Frankly, our SEALS are worth twice what they get. The teacher's union and their leadership aren't worthy to hold the boots of these brave men. It's about time they learned to make some sacrifices. I'm sick of their demands.

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