Conservative Lutherans preparing for change

Conservatives in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America voted during the weekend to spend a year laying a course that could lead their group to split with the denomination.

[Larry]

I can't blame them for leaving, as you have to draw the line somewhere!

[Hanover]

I think religion these days is too much about politics. Why can't everyone just worship God and keep the politics for the government.

[arendtsville resident]

Hanover wrote:

I think religion these days is too much about politics. Why can't everyone just worship God and keep the politics for the government.

this has nothing to do with politics. it has to do with the church going against the word of god!! it is immoral and a sin. bottom line!!

[Homophobic]

Homosexuality is a sin but Adultery and Fornication are okay for these people. They are just hypocrites.

[curious]

why not ask the different Lutheran churches in the area what their policy is on the sexuality issue raised at the Assembly. See how transparent the churches are about their vote at the meeting or are they affraid to be held accountable to their congregations for the vote.

[Idea Man]

The good Lutherans might as well join the Catholic Church, which was very first church on earth.

0000000h Marty Luther, your flocked up flock needs you, baby.

[backtotheword]

It is ridiculous to say that those in the ELCA (I have never been a member of an ELCA church) are against homosexuality but find adultery and fornication okay.

I will guarantee that the ELCA has never taken a vote which says it is okay for their pastors to live in active adultery or fornication. However, the ELCA has taken a vote to say that it okay for their pastors to be active homosexuals.

They are not hypocrites on that score, but you may be a liar if you accuse them of something that is not true.

[Homophobic]

When one party remarries after a divorce based on non-biblical grounds, that person commits adultery because God has not recognized the validity of the divorce (Matthew 5:32, Mark 10:11).

They have no problem with ministers that have remarried after divorce on non-Biblical grounds.

[Yes]

Idea Man wrote:

The good Lutherans might as well join the Catholic Church, which was very first church on earth.
0000000h Marty Luther, your flocked up flock needs you, baby.

Once again people posting what they think are facts instead of learning the truth beforehand. First denominations are not churches, those Born Again into Christ Jesus are the True Church. Second if you want to use the word church anyway, well there were churches long before the Catholic Church and they were Christian not Catholic and obeyed the Word of the Living God.

[backtotheword]

In regard to my statement that the ELCA never took a vote to allow adultery or fornication, I do agree that it is wrong for those guilty in a non-scriptural divorce should also not be in the ministry, whether or not they remarry. If they remarry, the Bible is clear that they are committing adultery. However, I do not believe that ELCA voted to accept that. Unfortunately, it is so common and uncontroversial they did not need to. Makes me glad I am not a member of the ELCA.

[Idea Man]

Yes wrote:

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Once again people posting what they think are facts instead of learning the truth beforehand. First denominations are not churches, those Born Again into Christ Jesus are the True Church. Second if you want to use the word church anyway, well there were churches long before the Catholic Church and they were Christian not Catholic and obeyed the Word of the Living God.

Interesting comment.

[lookkool]

Larry wrote:

I can't blame them for leaving, as you have to draw the line somewhere!

I can because they are supposed to hate the sin not the sinner. What they are doing is hating both and using the Bible to do it.

[Larry]

lookkool wrote:

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I can because they are supposed to hate the sin not the sinner. What they are doing is hating both and using the Bible to do it.

I'm not so sure this is about hate, but about the need for respect for your leaders and who they surround themselves with.

[tenpins]

Keen Observer wrote:

I have absolutely NO respect for the Lutheran "church," which they are not. Marty Luther is turning over in his grave and trying to put up the sod.
HEY! I'd like to see old Marty crawl out of his grave and kick butt over this.

You DO know that Martin Luther was an anti-Semite, don't you?

Guess that's okay by you, isn't it?

[tenpins]

Keen Observer wrote:

Notice that the fairies invade and easily take hold of a church with 99 flavors of sub-churches. Here is just a partial list of Lutheran Churches with various pre-fixes names/
The first two are in a small town. I am not making this up.
Emmanuel LC
Immanuel LC
And as for a further smattering--
Swedish LC
Missouri Synod (aka the "Misery" Synod by detractors. heh)
German Lutheran
English Lutheran
Nothing like sectarianism for sex perverts to take over by getting crowned as "ministers."
Other churches with how's-that-again names. Sure--
1st, 2nd, 3d and yet 4th Church of Christ, Scientist
On the other hand, there is ONLY ONE RCC. However there may be many saint's names attached. Just see any phone book.

Like anyone cares about a crazy-ass bunch of child molesters like the RCC endorses.

[tenpins]

Keen Observer wrote:

I have absolutely NO respect for the Lutheran "church," which they are not. Marty Luther is turning over in his grave and trying to put up the sod.
HEY! I'd like to see old Marty crawl out of his grave and kick butt over this.

I'm sure the Lutherans are just heartbroken at your disapproval.

[leaving church]

lookkool wrote:

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I can because they are supposed to hate the sin not the sinner. What they are doing is hating both and using the Bible to do it.

-- your comment about hating to "another commenter" leaving his church has nothing to do with hating anyone but is about the church making ACCEPTABLE something not ACCEPTABLE! Christians have compassion for all people, whomever they are or regardless of what they have done. BUT those same Christians are saying NO to allowing perversions to be considered Normal in their church!

Homosexuals should NOT be ordained in any mainstream church because they are OPENLY SINNING.

We are not just talking about gays but LGBT people – which includes cross dressers, transvestites, homosexuals - the whole nine yards!!

Do you want someone who has had a sex change or a transvestite leading you in your church?

I say .. if they want to be a LGBT person, go make your own church 'cause you don't belong leading mine.

That said ... the "Jesus users" who are ordained and using the church to provide them a good living, all the perks, etc but are NOT performing the duties that go along with that title of PASTOR, you should go too!! Add to that, the members of these churches should not be allowing them to STAY 'cause they think it is "unchristian" to protest these people. Get real!!

Churches and congregations today have a lot of issues to deal with and these Political issues DO NOT belong in the church. We need to be teaching the basics, how to live in this world today, and we should NOT be promoting genetic defects or sexual perversions as "normal!"

[purple]

leaving church wrote:

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-- your comment about hating to "another commenter" leaving his church has nothing to do with hating anyone but is about the church making ACCEPTABLE something not ACCEPTABLE! Christians have compassion for all people, whomever they are or regardless of what they have done. BUT those same Christians are saying NO to allowing perversions to be considered Normal in their church!
Homosexuals should NOT be ordained in any mainstream church because they are OPENLY SINNING.
We are not just talking about gays but LGBT people – which includes cross dressers, transvestites, homosexuals - the whole nine yards!!
Do you want someone who has had a sex change or a transvestite leading you in your church?
I say .. if they want to be a LGBT person, go make your own church 'cause you don't belong leading mine.
That said ... the "Jesus users" who are ordained and using the church to provide them a good living, all the perks, etc but are NOT performing the duties that go along with that title of PASTOR, you should go too!! Add to that, the members of these churches should not be allowing them to STAY 'cause they think it is "unchristian" to protest these people. Get real!!
Churches and congregations today have a lot of issues to deal with and these Political issues DO NOT belong in the church. We need to be teaching the basics, how to live in this world today, and we should NOT be promoting genetic defects or sexual perversions as "normal!"

What a crock of poo.

[Kitcat]

Homophobic wrote:

When one party remarries after a divorce based on non-biblical grounds, that person commits adultery because God has not recognized the validity of the divorce (Matthew 5:32, Mark 10:11).
They have no problem with ministers that have remarried after divorce on non-Biblical grounds.

Well, personally, I have to agree with this. If the church is going to uphold Biblical standards (and I believe it SHOULD!) then it has to be across the board--regardless of what denomination it is..

[purple]

backtotheword wrote:

In regard to my statement that the ELCA never took a vote to allow adultery or fornication, I do agree that it is wrong for those guilty in a non-scriptural divorce should also not be in the ministry, whether or not they remarry. If they remarry, the Bible is clear that they are committing adultery. However, I do not believe that ELCA voted to accept that. Unfortunately, it is so common and uncontroversial they did not need to. Makes me glad I am not a member of the ELCA.

I guarantee you the Lutherans in your community are more grateful for that than you are.

Who would want to worship or even associate with such a self-righteous little twerp?