artist

United States

#22 Mar 13, 2013
Grob Hahn wrote:
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the ones who earn more because they deserve it for being loyal employees.
Grob
You use words like deserve the way liberals use "fair". An employee doesn't deserve anything except what they earn. I've always been an employee, but I understand I must provide my employer MORE value than I get paid for. Otherwise why employee me?

“Yet another average white man.”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#23 Mar 13, 2013
artist wrote:
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You use words like deserve the way liberals use "fair". An employee doesn't deserve anything except what they earn. I've always been an employee, but I understand I must provide my employer MORE value than I get paid for. Otherwise why employee me?

An interesting take. See, I don't use "deserve" like that at all. I don't think anyone "deserves" anything they have not actually earned. This includes respect. We seem to be examining everything but the point of all of this. What I am laying out is that generic employee A has been with a company for 15 years, never late, never p|sses off the customers, but does get a raise every so often because for a long time they were considered valuable.

So when a massive recession strikes, that value comes into play. Instead of being honorable about it, the employer decides instead to create stress and pressure that is designed to drive that higher cost employee away. Why? Because thanks to the economy's demise that high value employee can be replaced by 2 or 3 marginal employees who will be split into part-time shifts with no benefits. The employer also gets to keep any pension set asides the former employee walked away from, so it can be quite profitable to trade quality out.

US companies have lost any interest in a social contract. I'm not suggesting that "fairness" comes into this. That term is usually spouted by leftists who want everyone to live the theoretical Leninist utopia. But so far, everywhere that has attempted communism has failed miserably. They always seem to prop up elites who "run" the nation even though the blueprint was supposed to be leaderless with everybody equal and everything "fair".

I'm not confused about what leftists want. I'm also not confused about how greed comes into all of this. There is only 1 sin on this planet; taking advantage of someone.
Grobbbbbbbb

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#24 Mar 13, 2013
Freedom Lover wrote:
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Seriously?? Morally wrong? did you even finish high school? its called Supply/Demand. Look it up. You astonish me with severity of your stupidity!
What is wrong with you you idiot! Didn't you ever join the Boy Scouts, go to church or ever do a good deed for anyone? Don't you know the difference between a good ethical businessman and a greedy unethical businessman that will do anything for money? What is wrong with your Morals? I don't think you have any. As long as it is legal and you can get away with it, screw the employees , is that it? I see that you have no ethics or morals because you would choose screwing people out of their hard earned money so you can build your own ill gained fortune.
I see nothing wrong with an employer making a profit, that's why they are in business. I see nothing wrong with a employer hiring whom he wishes. I also see nothing wrong with a employer paying fair wages for a decent days work.
You wave the flag and rave on about your American rights. You sound like a skinflint that hires illegals and works them for next to nothing. Thou protest to loudly and you show your lack of compassion, ethics, and yes, morality to care about the employees. People such as yourself cause workers to join unions. Instead of saying, "I work for a good company with a good boss and I don't need any stinking union".

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#25 Mar 13, 2013
Grob Hahn wrote:
<quoted text>
An interesting take. See, I don't use "deserve" like that at all. I don't think anyone "deserves" anything they have not actually earned. This includes respect. We seem to be examining everything but the point of all of this. What I am laying out is that generic employee A has been with a company for 15 years, never late, never p|sses off the customers, but does get a raise every so often because for a long time they were considered valuable.
So when a massive recession strikes, that value comes into play. Instead of being honorable about it, the employer decides instead to create stress and pressure that is designed to drive that higher cost employee away. Why? Because thanks to the economy's demise that high value employee can be replaced by 2 or 3 marginal employees who will be split into part-time shifts with no benefits. The employer also gets to keep any pension set asides the former employee walked away from, so it can be quite profitable to trade quality out.
US companies have lost any interest in a social contract. I'm not suggesting that "fairness" comes into this. That term is usually spouted by leftists who want everyone to live the theoretical Leninist utopia. But so far, everywhere that has attempted communism has failed miserably. They always seem to prop up elites who "run" the nation even though the blueprint was supposed to be leaderless with everybody equal and everything "fair".
I'm not confused about what leftists want. I'm also not confused about how greed comes into all of this. There is only 1 sin on this planet; taking advantage of someone.
Grobbbbbbbb
Pay no attention to the so called Freedom Lover. He does live in America and as long as he obeys the labor laws, or get away with whatever he is doing, he can do whatever he wants.
The only freedom he cares about is his own. The only person he cares ab out is himself.
What is wrong with this country at this time are people like him. He shouts about unions but he is no different than they are. He just takes it to the extreme in the opposite direction. The union is trying to gouge all they can get from the employers and this guy believes it is o.k. to gouge as much as he can from the employees. Hey that is just the game that is played. Quantity and demand. Forget what is right and wrong. Anything goes.
Freedom Lover

Alpharetta, GA

#26 Mar 14, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
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What is wrong with you you idiot! Didn't you ever join the Boy Scouts, go to church or ever do a good deed for anyone? Don't you know the difference between a good ethical businessman and a greedy unethical businessman that will do anything for money? What is wrong with your Morals? I don't think you have any. As long as it is legal and you can get away with it, screw the employees , is that it? I see that you have no ethics or morals because you would choose screwing people out of their hard earned money so you can build your own ill gained fortune.

You wave the flag and rave on about your American rights. You sound like a skinflint that hires illegals and works them for next to nothing. Thou protest to loudly and you show your lack of compassion, ethics, and yes, morality to care about the employees. People such as yourself cause workers to join unions. Instead of saying, "I work for a good company with a good boss and I don't need any stinking union".
Ahh, you show your true colors. You feel justified in forcing YOUR morals on others. Your use words you can't define.
Fair - WHOs version of fair? Yours?
Greed - Who gets to decide who's being greedy and who isn't? You?
Compassion - Who gets to decide who is compassionate? You?

"morality to care about the employees" What kind of socialist crap is this?

If an employer doesn't CARE about his/her employees they are immoral??

You need to go back to France. Can you even for a moment imagine running a business with your liberal idealistic BS? You would be out of business fast.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#27 Mar 14, 2013
Freedom Lover wrote:
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Ahh, you show your true colors. You feel justified in forcing YOUR morals on others. Your use words you can't define.
Fair - WHOs version of fair? Yours?
Greed - Who gets to decide who's being greedy and who isn't? You?
Compassion - Who gets to decide who is compassionate? You?
"morality to care about the employees" What kind of socialist crap is this?
If an employer doesn't CARE about his/her employees they are immoral??
You need to go back to France. Can you even for a moment imagine running a business with your liberal idealistic BS? You would be out of business fast.
I understand the points that you are trying to make. Unlike you understanding the points that I have tried to make.
Your attitude is for is to take advantage of any person and situation that you can. Everybody else can just go to hell. I think it useless to continue this conversation as you have no idea of what the meaning ethical is and do not care. Either you are a ethical person or you are not. You obviously are not. That is your problem and the problem of anyone that has to deal with you. If you are happy being the way then so be it. Maybe someday when you pass on you will be rich and maybe find a way to take it with you.
Freedom Lover

Alpharetta, GA

#28 Mar 14, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
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I think it useless to continue this conversation as you have no idea of what the meaning ethical is and do not care.
I agree that you should give up. You haven't made a logical point yet, and I don't think you are capable of doing such. Every thing you say is based on emotion with no regard to logic.

Then you resort to trying to label me as unethical.(name calling) You are ill-prepared to make a logical argument.

Since: May 12

Douglasville, GA

#29 Mar 14, 2013
What I think that Grob and BigDave are trying to say is the same thing that us so called "libtards" have been trying to say for for-ev-ah.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#30 Mar 14, 2013
Freedom Lover wrote:
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I agree that you should give up. You haven't made a logical point yet, and I don't think you are capable of doing such. Every thing you say is based on emotion with no regard to logic.
Then you resort to trying to label me as unethical.(name calling) You are ill-prepared to make a logical argument.
I am not giving up, I just don't care what your ethics are and you are obviously incapable of understanding anything if it involves ethics. How could you have ethics and want to use and take advantage of people. No, I didn't label you. You labeled yourself. You must have never had anyone take advantage of you or you have forgotten what it is like. I don't know and I don't care. One thing for sure you were not an Eagle Scout. So rave on about your freedom and do what you wish. THE END.
Jeff

Douglasville, GA

#31 Mar 15, 2013
Sometimes this is comical. I see a news story where a business complains of taxes and government regulations. The business then gets a tax break for several years at the cost of other tax payers. This same business tells workers we are so sorry there are no funds for a raise. Oh, by the way we need you to work harder because we aren't making enough money for out stake holders. All this only to see the big dogs get their bonus at the end of the year. Yep it is about freedom.

Since: May 12

Douglasville, GA

#32 Mar 16, 2013
I'll expect to see BigDave and Grob at the next Occupy Douglasville rally. lol

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#33 Mar 16, 2013
trystme wrote:
I'll expect to see BigDave and Grob at the next Occupy Douglasville rally. lol
I am a conservative but also a realist. I think the only way I would attend an occupy rally would to be hauled there in a casket.
Just because I think that right is right, and wrong is wrong doesn't change my views of me being a conservative. Please don't confuse my ethics and morals as me being a liberal. Doing the right things in life apply to liberals and conservatives. Perhaps most of the time we see the right thing to do differently. Then comes the difficult question. Why?
anon

Carrollton, GA

#34 Mar 17, 2013
FFFInger

Alpharetta, GA

#35 Mar 19, 2013
anon wrote:
http://www.cbsatlanta.com/stor y/21656289/sequestration-cuts- will-effect-dobbins-air-reserv e-base
Oh, look! You learned how to cut and paste!

Such a good boy!
billy

Carrollton, GA

#36 Mar 22, 2013
fire all the full time employes and hire temp workers..thats what obama would want you to do.This way you dont have to pay for their health insurance.People are eventually going to realize that obama is NOT on their side.he is out to destroy america from within

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#37 Mar 22, 2013
Additionally, those who want to keep their current insurance won't be able to. Obama lied about that, too.

“Yet another average white man.”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#38 Mar 23, 2013
billy wrote:
fire all the full time employes and hire temp workers..thats what obama would want you to do.This way you dont have to pay for their health insurance.People are eventually going to realize that obama is NOT on their side.he is out to destroy america from within

Cobb hospital is doing this right now. Douglas General is part of the same group so I would wager they too are trying to thin the herd. I'd hate to be at the 19 year 11 month mark with them if they are playing those kinds of games. But the real losers are the people who go there for health "care". All they care about at Cobb is their bottom line. Patients are just a line on a spreadsheet.
Grobbbbbbbbbb

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#39 Mar 24, 2013
Everyday there is more and more news on how the ObamaCare bill is going to affect peoples everyday lives. It just gets worse, and worse. It has become obvious that the bill was never designed to actually help Americans. It was designed to make the healthcare system so bad that people would yell and scream about it and demand something new and better. That is when the government will ride in again on its white horse and say they are going to save us with single payer healthcare system. That means total government control of Americans healthcare. We will then have a total socialized healthcare system similar to the U.K.s sorry incompetent, broken, so called healthcare system. That will be an end to Americans getting any decent healthcare and they will die because of it.
Hope you people stay healthy.
easterbunny

Douglasville, GA

#40 Mar 31, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
Everyday there is more and more news on how the ObamaCare bill is going to affect peoples everyday lives. It just gets worse, and worse. It has become obvious that the bill was never designed to actually help Americans. It was designed to make the healthcare system so bad that people would yell and scream about it and demand something new and better. That is when the government will ride in again on its white horse and say they are going to save us with single payer healthcare system. That means total government control of Americans healthcare. We will then have a total socialized healthcare system similar to the U.K.s sorry incompetent, broken, so called healthcare system. That will be an end to Americans getting any decent healthcare and they will die because of it.
Hope you people stay healthy.
Yep. That is EXACTLY what's happening. You just go on believing over-simplified crazy stuff. It just makes the Democratic Party stronger.

Since: Jul 12

Villa Rica, GA

#41 Mar 31, 2013
easterbunny wrote:
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Yep. That is EXACTLY what's happening. You just go on believing over-simplified crazy stuff. It just makes the Democratic Party stronger.

I would like to be there when you may be in a life or death situation and have to use ObamaCare. The look on your face will be of utter surprise and disappointment. Hope you can find a doctor and you won't be dead before they can help you.
BTW have you noticed that insurance is jumping way up? Also there are some shortages of drugs and the prices have almost doubled in many cases.
No, you wouldn't admit to any of that would you?

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