Cutting a person's pay

Cutting a person's pay

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Charles Farley

Duluth, GA

#1 Mar 9, 2013
When an employer doesn't raise an employee's pay it is a pay cut. Our economy is driven by a growth model. If your pay doesn't at least rise with natural inflation, you are in a downward spiral. But acually cutting someone's pay should be a crime. If an employee deserves a pay cut they should be fired. If you don't fire them you open yourself up to legal issues. If a number of people at the same company suffer this, without being fired, it becomes a CLASS ACTION issue. CF

“Yet another average white man.”

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#3 Mar 9, 2013
Long time Farely. This time I agree. Corporations are playing every game they cane with employees. Cutting pay should be a crime.
Grobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb

“Registered Conservative”

Since: Jul 11

Waters Creek, GA

#4 Mar 10, 2013
Negative, on both counts.
Adam Smith

Carrollton, GA

#5 Mar 10, 2013
Disagree, Charles and Grob. What if the other option is closing the company. Invisible hand.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#6 Mar 10, 2013
Adam Smith wrote:
Disagree, Charles and Grob. What if the other option is closing the company. Invisible hand.
What if the company is stashing money but is just being overly unappreciative of it's employees? Don't just say go get another job, as jobs are very difficult to find these days and these companies know it. Anyone that has a job now is hanging onto them for dear life.

“Yet another average white man.”

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#7 Mar 10, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
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What if the company is stashing money but is just being overly unappreciative of it's employees? Don't just say go get another job, as jobs are very difficult to find these days and these companies know it. Anyone that has a job now is hanging onto them for dear life.

Exactly why I think this sort of thing will escalate. There are more people than jobs, so it's a bonanza for employers who want to squeeze every nickel from an employee's hide. I have worked for this sort of skin flint before and walked away from most. The moment they play games with my money, I start looking.
Grobbbbbbb
David

Carrollton, GA

#8 Mar 11, 2013
theres always food stamps

“Yet another average white man.”

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#9 Mar 12, 2013
David wrote:
theres always food stamps

What do they taste like?
David

Carrollton, GA

#10 Mar 12, 2013
Grob Hahn wrote:
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What do they taste like?
I think they taste like MOOCHELLE or maybe apples, they have to be healthy so you can grow a fat ass like her
Just Sayin

Jacksonville, FL

#11 Mar 12, 2013
Charles Farley wrote:
When an employer doesn't raise an employee's pay it is a pay cut. Our economy is driven by a growth model. If your pay doesn't at least rise with natural inflation, you are in a downward spiral. But acually cutting someone's pay should be a crime. If an employee deserves a pay cut they should be fired. If you don't fire them you open yourself up to legal issues. If a number of people at the same company suffer this, without being fired, it becomes a CLASS ACTION issue. CF
SO when a company pays more to cover half your insurance thats a raise ....correct. When they face increased cost & lower selling prices for thier product what which is better a pay cut or unemployment????
Just Sayin

Jacksonville, FL

#12 Mar 12, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
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What if the company is stashing money but is just being overly unappreciative of it's employees? Don't just say go get another job, as jobs are very difficult to find these days and these companies know it. Anyone that has a job now is hanging onto them for dear life.
Companies owe you the paycheck you earned ....nothing more & nothing less

Since: Jul 12

Winston, GA

#13 Mar 12, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>Companies owe you the paycheck you earned ....nothing more & nothing less
You are correct. But in today,s job market many employers are paying less to many of their employees which should have earned more. There are many companies that are taking advantage of the high unemployment rate to underpay their employees. Employers are quick to point out that if you don't like it then quit your job, as there are 200 people waiting out there to take your job. That is a fact and it is morally wrong.

“Yet another average white man.”

Since: Jun 11

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#14 Mar 12, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
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You are correct. But in today,s job market many employers are paying less to many of their employees which should have earned more. There are many companies that are taking advantage of the high unemployment rate to underpay their employees. Employers are quick to point out that if you don't like it then quit your job, as there are 200 people waiting out there to take your job. That is a fact and it is morally wrong.

Exactly. What's happening now I saw in the 70s and then again under "Reaganomics". They size up their current staff, figure out who is "costing" them the most, and start screwing with them in an effort to drive them out. Quality takes a back seat.

Where this should scare the shiite out of everybody is healthcare. Soon it will be filled with malcontents like the TSA. They don't give a flying crap if you have to wait in line till you miss your plane. Imagine what that will be like when you have chest pain!
Grobbbbbbbbb

And for the record, NO, I don't think anyone "deserves" a job just because they are breathing. I'm talking about good, dedicated people being cut and replaced with "new" hires.
Freedom Lover

Alpharetta, GA

#15 Mar 13, 2013
Grob Hahn wrote:
Cutting pay should be a crime.
Grobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
Why do you hate freedom?

An employee has no right to a job to begin with.
the job belongs to the employer, and an employer should not be forced by the government to hire certain people, or pay them certain wages.
The free market will take care of both.

If you wave your little flag on the 4th you are a hypocrite.
You either fear freedom or hate it.
Freedom Lover

Alpharetta, GA

#16 Mar 13, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
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You are correct. But in today,s job market many employers are paying less to many of their employees which should have earned more. There are many companies that are taking advantage of the high unemployment rate to underpay their employees. Employers are quick to point out that if you don't like it then quit your job, as there are 200 people waiting out there to take your job. That is a fact and it is morally wrong.
Seriously?? Morally wrong? did you even finish high school? its called Supply/Demand. Look it up. You astonish me with severity of your stupidity!

“Yet another average white man.”

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#17 Mar 13, 2013
Freedom Lover wrote:
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Why do you hate freedom?
An employee has no right to a job to begin with.
the job belongs to the employer, and an employer should not be forced by the government to hire certain people, or pay them certain wages.
The free market will take care of both.
If you wave your little flag on the 4th you are a hypocrite.
You either fear freedom or hate it.

Wow, you sure are defensive as you literally shovel words upon me. Hate freedom? This is not even close to the issue. Sure an employer has the "Freedom" to play games with people's paychecks, but is this ethical?

I'm not talking about "with cause" reductions in pay where an employee actually screwed up. I am talking about the same kind of systematic manipulation that Circuit City implemented a few years before bankruptcy. It targets long-term, reliable and loyal employees in an effort to drive them out so the employer can hire in cheaper workers. Where is the "freedom" issue there? Where is the "Hate" issue there? It sure isn't on my end you moron.

Oh sure they have teams of lawyers who determine the "legal" way to harrass people out of their jobs, but again I ask; Is it ethical?
Grobbbbbbb
Freedom Lover

Alpharetta, GA

#18 Mar 13, 2013
Grob Hahn wrote:
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Sure an employer has the "Freedom" to play games with people's paychecks, but is this ethical?
Grobbbbbbb
You seriously believe that an employer shouldn't be allowed to lower the pay on an employee for ANY reason? You sound like a Socialist.

I bet you are just in LOVE with the idea of unions, and obamacare.

“Yet another average white man.”

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#19 Mar 13, 2013
Freedom Lover wrote:
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You seriously believe that an employer shouldn't be allowed to lower the pay on an employee for ANY reason? You sound like a Socialist.
I bet you are just in LOVE with the idea of unions, and obamacare.

Which is exactly wrong. I find that most unions only serve to preserve mediocrity and always seem to have some kind of slimy connection to shady political or criminal elements. And Obamacare is going to see many Americans to an early grave.

I said the very opposite about reasons to reduce someone's pay, and I am not inclined ro use the kind of absolutes you have here. I didn't say that they shouldn't reduce pay for ANY reason. Quite the opposite, what I want to see is a GOOD reason to drop someone's pay.

But that's not what I'm addressing here. I am specifically addressing employers who start fooking with their longer term employees, the ones who earn more because they deserve it for being loyal employees. And one of the many ways they do this is to play games with their pay.

Again, I don't "hate freedom", I'm not a democrat, I'm not in a union and I didn't vote for Obama. I think he's a lying rookie who was propped up by wealthy leftists to drive our nation into bankruptcy so it can be carved into feudal territories to be ruled by the wealthy elite who already have their "compounds" in place.

But I can't lay it all at the feet of democrats. Can you imagine where we'd be if GW had been successful with the effort to transition social security into a privately invested account system? I'm positive it was an attempt to set us up for the fall that Obama was credited with initiating but the few honest lawmakers who saw through it managed to keep it from reaching a vote. Most of them are gone now.

We're so screwed and this example I started the thread for is just 1 symptom of a wider effort to squeeze Americans and turn us all into surfs. I hate to say it, but the only solution I see is armed revolt and strategic assassinations, though not Obama. Even David Duke has said that offing Obama would cause an American nightmare (though a rather short race war given the percentages).

Grob
inquiring minds

Alpharetta, GA

#20 Mar 13, 2013
Grob Hahn wrote:
<quoted text>We're so screwed and this example I started the thread for
so you're Farley?

“Yet another average white man.”

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#21 Mar 13, 2013
inquiring minds wrote:
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so you're Farley?

I meant to say responded. But I'm certainly a fan of his. Not that I always agree with him. This time I do.
Grobbbbbbbb

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