How can we prevent crazy people from getting guns?

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Since: May 12

Atlanta, GA

#1 Dec 14, 2012
Yet another mass shooting, this time at an elementary school in Connecticut and 27 people are dead, 18 of them children.

I think that Obama has been too scared of conservative backlash to even mention stricter gun control laws, but now that the election is over maybe he will advocate for that.

On a personal level I do not like guns and would never allow one in my house. However, I don't want to prevent sane, normal people from obtaining them. I know this country is too gun crazy to go for that anyway.

But, how can we keep guns away from these crazy people?

Are we willing to sacrifce the lives of children so that guns are readily available to everyone?
DvilleBob

Atlanta, GA

#2 Dec 14, 2012
This is horrific and nothing other than pure evil.

Some facts to understand before wanting a guns made illegal.

There are currently approximately 300 million guns in the USA alone. That's one gun for every man women and child in this county. It is physically impossible to make all of these guns to disappear and its even more impossible to think that guns would not be smuggled into to this country from the rest of the world.

Hows the war on illegal drugs going?

Schools are gun free zones. Its already illegal to have a gun in a school. That law didn't keep this from happening.

Murder is illegal. That law didn't keep this from happening.

Have you ever notice that the vast majority of the mass killings happen in gun free zones. Do you think that's a coincidence?

Since: Jan 10

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#3 Dec 14, 2012
trystme wrote:
Yet another mass shooting, this time at an elementary school in Connecticut and 27 people are dead, 18 of them children.
I think that Obama has been too scared of conservative backlash to even mention stricter gun control laws, but now that the election is over maybe he will advocate for that.
On a personal level I do not like guns and would never allow one in my house. However, I don't want to prevent sane, normal people from obtaining them. I know this country is too gun crazy to go for that anyway.
But, how can we keep guns away from these crazy people?
Are we willing to sacrifce the lives of children so that guns are readily available to everyone?
1. I REALLY doubt BO has been "too scared" of conservative backlash on anything.

2. Who(m) is going to determine who is crazy? Or sane? The Government? You? How do they test? How often?

3. I'm assuming your question is somewhat rhetorical in that it shouldn't only be concerned about children, isn't it?

Since: Jan 10

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#4 Dec 14, 2012
Oh yeah, what's that comment I used to hear? If you make guns illegal, only the crooks will have guns, or similar?

If someone is breaking into my house, I'm going to assume they have a gun and will act accordingly.

Maybe a ban on assault weapons or things like them, but it ain't gonna happen with small hand guns, hunting rifles and the like...
Goldwater

Atlanta, GA

#5 Dec 14, 2012
Bill, you have a good point on the assault weapons ban. I've never known any of my deer hunting buddies to go hunting with an assault rifle. I have several old six shooter revolvers, an old shot gun along with a couple of other rifles. Old school stuff.

It seems like the pattern of the deranged person who would do something like what we've seen over and over has a sick warped romanticism with hi tech rapid fire weapons from the highly computer graphic generated movies that are made nowadays. It represents a false veil of overwhelming power that gives them an endorphin high out of their highly troubled dark desparate life. Their mental illnes is something we just can't understand.

There's no reason we should continue to make military style assault weapons legal. Oversized clips for a Glock....Why? If I can't shoot a home invader with a standered sized clip, then maybe I don't need to own a gun.

We really need to start a reasonable conversation about all this madness.

The Right to Bare Arms was given to us when our Nation was using the Kentucky Long gun. A musket is a far cry from an AK.

Twenty very young children were murdered today and murdered in very short order. I can't imagine losing my child. It hits us all any time there is a sick mass gun down in a mall or a university or a church, but 5 and 6 year olds?

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#6 Dec 14, 2012
I think Bill from D'ville made some really good points.
I have never seen a gun of any type jump out of the closet or the dresser drawer and just shoot someone. They are an inanimate object that poses no threat unless a human picks it up to use it for a weapon. I know someone will say what about gun accidents? Yes, they do happen but they are rare and with proper safety precautions followed most if not all would not happen. If someone wants to kill someone it is extremely difficult and possibly impossible to stop them unless you are also armed.
If guns were banned, saying that all the honest law abiding people turn theirs in, only criminals, the government, and crazy people would own them.
Illegal guns would be made in machine shops or brought into the country just the same as dope is now.
The only people that would suffer would be the people that would have no way to defend their homes and families. Anyone could kick your front door open anytime they wanted and know that no one would or could stop them. The public would be at the mercy of criminals. The police would come a little later and put them in body bags.
Being unarmed is not a option.
VerySadAboutTheC hildren

Douglasville, GA

#7 Dec 14, 2012
Republicans in Michigan just yesterday passed a gun law making it legal to take guns to school there.

Our gun culture is a little out of control.

http://now.msn.com/michigan-lawmakers-ok-guns...
runninghot

Douglasville, GA

#8 Dec 14, 2012
Goldwater wrote:
Bill, you have a good point on the assault weapons ban. I've never known any of my deer hunting buddies to go hunting with an assault rifle. I have several old six shooter revolvers, an old shot gun along with a couple of other rifles. Old school stuff.
It seems like the pattern of the deranged person who would do something like what we've seen over and over has a sick warped romanticism with hi tech rapid fire weapons from the highly computer graphic generated movies that are made nowadays. It represents a false veil of overwhelming power that gives them an endorphin high out of their highly troubled dark desparate life. Their mental illnes is something we just can't understand.
There's no reason we should continue to make military style assault weapons legal. Oversized clips for a Glock....Why? If I can't shoot a home invader with a standered sized clip, then maybe I don't need to own a gun.
We really need to start a reasonable conversation about all this madness.
The Right to Bare Arms was given to us when our Nation was using the Kentucky Long gun. A musket is a far cry from an AK.
Twenty very young children were murdered today and murdered in very short order. I can't imagine losing my child. It hits us all any time there is a sick mass gun down in a mall or a university or a church, but 5 and 6 year olds?
It is not the guns or the ammunition that kill it is the idiot that is using them. Dead is dead. You can be killed by a single shot weapon just as well as a semi - automatic weapon. Just what is an assault weapon? I look at a military M-16 that fires in full automatic as an assault weapon. Just who is going to say what constitutes an assault weapon? They are illegal for the average citizen to own. A 22 cal. single shot rifle could be called an assault weapon. It would be one if it were used to kill or wound a human.
What we have now is a society that has some very sick and deranged people in it. They have always existed and always will. As our population grows so does the amount of crime. The actual percentage rate may actually be no higher then ever, but there is more crime due to a larger population. Some careful thought must be given to any possible form of gun control.
Curious

Mableton, GA

#9 Dec 14, 2012
As I lay here in tears watching the news coverage I think how in the world could someone do this? As a mother I cannot imagine sending my child to school never to have them come home again.

I agree and support the right to protect yourself so I don't know how we can stop mentally ill individuals from obtaining these weapons if someone try's to harm me or my family I'm sorry but I will fight, shoot and whatever it takes to protect my family. Maybe (and this is only my opinion) we need more armed people in our schools. I heard once before that these kind of people almost always attack places where they believe no one will be armed for defense. We have armed resource officers in middle and high schools but maybe we need them at elementary schools also.I pray for all involved, this is a horrific thing.

“The real B-Man”

Since: Nov 12

Carrollton, GA

#10 Dec 14, 2012
Goldwater wrote:
Bill, you have a good point on the assault weapons ban. I've never known any of my deer hunting buddies to go hunting with an assault rifle. I have several old six shooter revolvers, an old shot gun along with a couple of other rifles. Old school stuff.
It seems like the pattern of the deranged person who would do something like what we've seen over and over has a sick warped romanticism with hi tech rapid fire weapons from the highly computer graphic generated movies that are made nowadays. It represents a false veil of overwhelming power that gives them an endorphin high out of their highly troubled dark desparate life. Their mental illnes is something we just can't understand.
There's no reason we should continue to make military style assault weapons legal. Oversized clips for a Glock....Why? If I can't shoot a home invader with a standered sized clip, then maybe I don't need to own a gun.
We really need to start a reasonable conversation about all this madness.
The Right to Bare Arms was given to us when our Nation was using the Kentucky Long gun. A musket is a far cry from an AK.
Twenty very young children were murdered today and murdered in very short order. I can't imagine losing my child. It hits us all any time there is a sick mass gun down in a mall or a university or a church, but 5 and 6 year olds?
Yes, but back then, the citizenry had about the same access to the same kind of weapons that the military did. There was more of an even playing field. Now, we find ourselves in a situation where the people could not revolt even if they wanted to.

Access to guns had nothing to do with the murder of those children today. The psycho who murdered them is at fault, not the accessability of guns. If just one of those teachers had been allowed to carry a gun while at school, things would have probably turned out very differently today.

Since: Nov 08

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#11 Dec 15, 2012
B-Man2 wrote:
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Yes, but back then, the citizenry had about the same access to the same kind of weapons that the military did. There was more of an even playing field. Now, we find ourselves in a situation where the people could not revolt even if they wanted to.
Access to guns had nothing to do with the murder of those children today. The psycho who murdered them is at fault, not the accessability of guns. If just one of those teachers had been allowed to carry a gun while at school, things would have probably turned out very differently today.
You and I totally agree on this. Good post.

Since: Jul 07

Douglasville

#12 Dec 15, 2012
B-Man2 wrote:
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Yes, but back then, the citizenry had about the same access to the same kind of weapons that the military did. There was more of an even playing field. Now, we find ourselves in a situation where the people could not revolt even if they wanted to.
Access to guns had nothing to do with the murder of those children today. The psycho who murdered them is at fault, not the accessability of guns. If just one of those teachers had been allowed to carry a gun while at school, things would have probably turned out very differently today.
Very well said! I am awaiting details, I know the guns belonged to the killer's mother, did she have them locked up. Why would she have guns in the house knowing her son had mental issues? So many questions going unanswered at this time. I believe this discussion is going to get ugly and very heated.

Since: May 12

Douglasville, GA

#13 Dec 15, 2012
I don't know what the answer is. I can't believe that the answer is to do nothing and just let this continue to happen over and over again. I am a teacher and a parent myself, this really hits me hard.

I will preface this by saying that this is only MY opinion, this is how I feel about it and ask that you please refrain from name calling while discussing this very sensitive situation.

I don't agree with having more guns available at school. Any of my nutty kids could steal it and wreak havoc on others or himself. We have an armed resource officer at our school so I would not be opposed to putting one in elementary schools.

Having guns available is what empowered this nut to do what he did. His mother has guns to protect herself and her home and look what happened with those guns? Did they protect her? Did they ever once protect anyone? Probably not.

I don't have any statistics but I would bet that guns that are bought and kept for protection in this country are rarely ever used for that purpose. They are much more likely to be used to commit suicide, homicide, or an accidental shooting than they are to be used for protection. So that is why I would never keep a gun in my house. What protection I might get from it isn't worth the risk. Yes, I have the right to have a gun, but why would I want to put my family or others at risk like that?

I understand that people kill people, guns don't kill people, but the fact remains, if this guy (and all of the others who have committed mass shootings) hadn't had easy access to guns then this would not have happened.

Again, this is only my opinion. I do not advocate a ban on guns, I understand the reasons that people want their guns.

I think that our gun crazy culture is has a big price tag.

Since: Jan 10

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#14 Dec 15, 2012
Synergy wrote:
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You and I totally agree on this. Good post.
+1

Wow BMan had a good, informative post without calling somebody a KKK racist and some/most of us agreed with him. Impressive...

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#15 Dec 15, 2012
trystme wrote:
I don't know what the answer is. I can't believe that the answer is to do nothing and just let this continue to happen over and over again. I am a teacher and a parent myself, this really hits me hard.
I will preface this by saying that this is only MY opinion, this is how I feel about it and ask that you please refrain from name calling while discussing this very sensitive situation.
I don't agree with having more guns available at school. Any of my nutty kids could steal it and wreak havoc on others or himself. We have an armed resource officer at our school so I would not be opposed to putting one in elementary schools.
Having guns available is what empowered this nut to do what he did. His mother has guns to protect herself and her home and look what happened with those guns? Did they protect her? Did they ever once protect anyone? Probably not.
I don't have any statistics but I would bet that guns that are bought and kept for protection in this country are rarely ever used for that purpose. They are much more likely to be used to commit suicide, homicide, or an accidental shooting than they are to be used for protection. So that is why I would never keep a gun in my house. What protection I might get from it isn't worth the risk. Yes, I have the right to have a gun, but why would I want to put my family or others at risk like that?
I understand that people kill people, guns don't kill people, but the fact remains, if this guy (and all of the others who have committed mass shootings) hadn't had easy access to guns then this would not have happened.
Again, this is only my opinion. I do not advocate a ban on guns, I understand the reasons that people want their guns.
I think that our gun crazy culture is has a big price tag.
ur a teacher? That says a LOT!

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#16 Dec 15, 2012
B-Man2 wrote:
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Yes, but back then, the citizenry had about the same access to the same kind of weapons that the military did. There was more of an even playing field. Now, we find ourselves in a situation where the people could not revolt even if they wanted to.
Access to guns had nothing to do with the murder of those children today. The psycho who murdered them is at fault, not the accessability of guns. If just one of those teachers had been allowed to carry a gun while at school, things would have probably turned out very differently today.
Darn B-Man you have made me look at you in a new light. I would have never guessed this but You are totally correct in your views on this subject. A good post.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#17 Dec 15, 2012
trystme wrote:
I don't know what the answer is. I can't believe that the answer is to do nothing and just let this continue to happen over and over again. I am a teacher and a parent myself, this really hits me hard.
I will preface this by saying that this is only MY opinion, this is how I feel about it and ask that you please refrain from name calling while discussing this very sensitive situation.
I don't agree with having more guns available at school. Any of my nutty kids could steal it and wreak havoc on others or himself. We have an armed resource officer at our school so I would not be opposed to putting one in elementary schools.
Having guns available is what empowered this nut to do what he did. His mother has guns to protect herself and her home and look what happened with those guns? Did they protect her? Did they ever once protect anyone? Probably not.
I don't have any statistics but I would bet that guns that are bought and kept for protection in this country are rarely ever used for that purpose. They are much more likely to be used to commit suicide, homicide, or an accidental shooting than they are to be used for protection. So that is why I would never keep a gun in my house. What protection I might get from it isn't worth the risk. Yes, I have the right to have a gun, but why would I want to put my family or others at risk like that?
I understand that people kill people, guns don't kill people, but the fact remains, if this guy (and all of the others who have committed mass shootings) hadn't had easy access to guns then this would not have happened.
Again, this is only my opinion. I do not advocate a ban on guns, I understand the reasons that people want their guns.
I think that our gun crazy culture is has a big price tag.
You have the right to own or not own a gun depending if you can pass Federal gun ownership requirements to own one.
One of the major reasons that you are as safe as you are is the fact that criminals know the citizens have firearms to protect themselves with. They don't know for sure which person is carrying or what home is well armed. This makes the criminals job much harder in picking a victim. If they think you are very well armed they probably will not try to enter your home in fear of being shot.
If you want to test this theory than put a sign in front of your home saying "There are no firearms allowed in this House" and see what happens. You my friend are living much safer due to the fact that many of your neighbors have firearms and the criminals know it.

Since: Sep 12

Douglasville, GA

#18 Dec 15, 2012
baglad so very sorry datdis happen 2anyone
cryin
mayGod watch ovruall

“The real B-Man”

Since: Nov 12

Carrollton, GA

#19 Dec 15, 2012
I have always been a gun owner and a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment. And I, like most gun owners, are just a little beyond sick and tired of being demonized every time some nutcase shoots someone. As the corny, but true, old saying goes..."sure, you can have my guns....bullets first".
formerresident

Decatur, GA

#20 Dec 16, 2012
Gun control is the easy answer, which is why it is a question, but it is the wrong answer, and the wrong question.

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