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For 45 years, history buff Frank Laumer has obsessively pieced together minute details of an ambush near here that set off the Second Seminole War in 1835. Full Story
Amber

Orlando, FL

#1 Dec 14, 2007
This is a very biased article that completely favors Frank Laumer. Obviously the property owner has had bad experiences with people coming onto the property. The reporter should have told her side as well.
Kevin Luby

United States

#2 Dec 14, 2007
The best solution if there is a possibility that the cannon may exist on the property is to negotiate to buy the property from its current owner. I do believe in historical research but it has to be tempered with respect for present conditions. So maybe financing could be arranged and a good sale price could be agreed upon so that research could be conducted without unnecesarily impacting someone's life.
Jim Johnson

Orlando, FL

#3 Dec 14, 2007
I know both of the people involved in this article, and I know that Frank Laumer can be very aggressive. Patricia Curich is a fair and reasonable person, but she's had problems with people coming on her land. Perhaps if Mr Laumer backed off a little...
Chris Kimball

Winter Park, FL

#4 Dec 17, 2007
I am a historian of the Seminole War as well. But I disagree that it is in the pond. The original tube of the cannon was retrieved from the pond when the men were buried 8 weeks later and placed as a memorial on the graves. It is unlikely that when the remains/bones were removed in 1842 for reburial in St. Augustine, that the soldiers would take a memorial and throw it back in the pond. An iron tube like that probably weights 800 lbs. So the soliders would have maybe removed it in 1842 and taken it to St. Augustine, or more likely; rolled it over into the open hole and given it a symbolic burial on the site. Not all the former graves or areas have been excaved on the park property itself, so why not start there? The lady's pond has had a survey twice, so it should be left alone. It is most likely not in the pond.
Amie

Summerfield, FL

#5 Jan 8, 2008
Amber wrote:
This is a very biased article that completely favors Frank Laumer. Obviously the property owner has had bad experiences with people coming onto the property. The reporter should have told her side as well.
Obviously the property owner was not willing to comment just as she has not been willing to discuss anything having to do with this matter in a civil manner. Hard not to come across as "biased" when one side refuses to talk.
Amie

Summerfield, FL

#6 Jan 8, 2008
Chris Kimball wrote:
I am a historian of the Seminole War as well. But I disagree that it is in the pond. The original tube of the cannon was retrieved from the pond when the men were buried 8 weeks later and placed as a memorial on the graves. It is unlikely that when the remains/bones were removed in 1842 for reburial in St. Augustine, that the soldiers would take a memorial and throw it back in the pond. An iron tube like that probably weights 800 lbs. So the soliders would have maybe removed it in 1842 and taken it to St. Augustine, or more likely; rolled it over into the open hole and given it a symbolic burial on the site. Not all the former graves or areas have been excaved on the park property itself, so why not start there? The lady's pond has had a survey twice, so it should be left alone. It is most likely not in the pond.
It has NEVER been suggested that the "soldiers" put the cannon in the pond. If it should turn out to be in the pond it would be the Seminoles who threw it there...for the sencond time. The point is, if a non-intrusive examination around the pond could be made with a metal detector, the mystery could be solved. A survey (above ground) would show (obviously) nothing underground, which is where the cannon would be.
Dana Twiss

Augusta, ME

#7 Jan 10, 2008
I would encourage Mr. Laumer to gather together the park administration and rally their support in approaching the land owner. A calm, rational discussion concerning the possibility of this artifact being in the pond and the possibility of its subsequent recovery, preservation and ultimate display. It's unfortunate that a bank representative took such an approach and it might be worthwhile approaching his superiors.

The reality is that the history of this country is laced with periods that might not be considered high points, but they still remain part of our history. If we neglect and ignore them, then we run the risk of repeating them. However, whether or not an incident or period is to be considered good or bad depends on one's perspective.
tammy oliver

Jacksonville, FL

#8 Feb 10, 2011
Amie wrote:
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It has NEVER been suggested that the "soldiers" put the cannon in the pond. If it should turn out to be in the pond it would be the Seminoles who threw it there...for the sencond time. The point is, if a non-intrusive examination around the pond could be made with a metal detector, the mystery could be solved. A survey (above ground) would show (obviously) nothing underground, which is where the cannon would be.
can you provide a number you can be reached at...i know the history of the pond and would be glad to help.
toliver@unf.edu
tammy oliver

Jacksonville, FL

#9 Feb 10, 2011
Amber wrote:
This is a very biased article that completely favors Frank Laumer. Obviously the property owner has had bad experiences with people coming onto the property. The reporter should have told her side as well.
contact me for pond details
toliver@unf.edu

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