Hermosa Beach microbrewery proposal hits another snag

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A Hermosa Beach resident's proposal to open a wholesale microbrewery in the city hit another snag this week after the Planning Commission deadlocked on a decision likely needed for the plan to move forward.
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Come On Already

Los Angeles, CA

#1 Oct 20, 2010
Just what Hermosa needs, another alcohol establishment! Don't they already have enough alcohol for all the spoiled little power drinkers and wanna-be UFC tough guys in the city?????
King BOBby

Torrance, CA

#2 Oct 20, 2010
Come On Already wrote:
Don't they already have enough alcohol for all the spoiled little power drinkers and wanna-be UFC tough guys in the city?????
NO!

What are you, a wanna-be Golden Girl?(no disrespect to Golden Girls)
Morris the Cat

Long Beach, CA

#3 Oct 21, 2010
But still, this business will create a few jobs for Americans and provide some revenue in taxes.
bud

Redondo Beach, CA

#4 Oct 21, 2010
it is weird that they compare against union cattle since that sells beer on their site.

also, this industrial place is zoned to even allow oil refinery. these guys should go ahead and refine oil and soon, the town would be begging them to start brewing beer.
yoho

United States

#5 Oct 21, 2010
Why block this? California hates business.... Makes no sense at all.
hmm

Aguanga, CA

#6 Oct 21, 2010
i wonder if someone can find a way to blame obama for this ... sarcasm by the way
Let em brew

Torrance, CA

#7 Oct 21, 2010
Ok, so you have a manufacturing company wanting to go into a manufacturing zone and with all the AQMD requirements for emissions there probably will be no smell. They are not selling beer for consumption on site and will bring some revenue to the City as well as create jobs...let em brew!
doubledose

El Segundo, CA

#9 Oct 21, 2010
There was already a decent brewery in Hermosa called Brewco about ten - twelve years ago and nobody went there. Right on Pier Ave. too. Einsteins (Union Cattle) also brewed their own beer. Maybe they were ahead of their time?
HB Resident

Redondo Beach, CA

#10 Oct 21, 2010
The city should start to look at businesses in this area and monitor the fumes these places are emitting. The surfboard business should be investigated by the AQMD to be sure they aren't emitting too much pollution. Just because a business has been in the area for a long time doesn't mean it isn't harmful to the residents in the area. The planning commission should probably start to look at the old plans for the area and see if the city should change things. Are the car repair businesses recyling the oil correctly? Just because you have one smelly business doesn't mean you should bring more in.
HBwhereRU

Redondo Beach, CA

#11 Oct 21, 2010
Eateries? What eateries on Pier avenue? Is that the new code name for bars which happen to serve some food? There are very few true restaurants left in Hermosa. And the noise complaints are about the bars, not the restaurants.

Hermosa needs to decide what it wants to be when it grows up. After allowing Pier Avenue to become the drinker's capital of South Bay, we're going to deny a 2000sf microbrewry in an already industrial section of town which zoning would allow oil refining?

Meanwhile, the noise and bar atmosphere on Pier will prevent any good restaraunts from moving in. Don't get me wrong, I love a good bar but I think we've more than reached max density on the booze.

So, us residents can continue to visit Manhattan and Redondo for dinner, especially after we loose a few more home town favorites like Ragin.
HBwhereRU

Redondo Beach, CA

#12 Oct 21, 2010
doubledose wrote:
There was already a decent brewery in Hermosa called Brewco about ten - twelve years ago and nobody went there. Right on Pier Ave. too. Einsteins (Union Cattle) also brewed their own beer. Maybe they were ahead of their time?
This new proposal is only wholesale, no beverages served to the public.
HBwhereRU

Redondo Beach, CA

#13 Oct 21, 2010
Come On Already wrote:
Just what Hermosa needs, another alcohol establishment! Don't they already have enough alcohol for all the spoiled little power drinkers and wanna-be UFC tough guys in the city?????
This proposal is for wholesale ONLY, no public tasting room.
VICB3

Spring Hope, NC

#14 Oct 21, 2010
NIMBY, NINBY, NIMBY. This just goes to show you that when you ask permission to do something that there’s always somebody who wants to say “no.”

I’m familiar with this area and site. The unit in question used to make automotive oil additives of some sort. It has a loading dock and an above ground office. It would be perfect for this sort of operation. It’s next to the city yard and a public lot with a derelict Cadillac parked on it.

The site is about a half mile straight line from the Pier Plaza. Nobody from there is about to pop in for a quick one. Further, since this is a commercial brewery, the only beer going out the door will be in kegs and not cups. However, this little fact doesn’t seem to stop the local neo-prohibitionists with a fear of their own cravings from bleating in panic at the mere mention of the word “alcohol,” Instead, these one issue hysterics carry on endlessly about wanting the Pier Plaza to be more “Family Friendly,” and all at the expense of the established restaurants and bars that are fighting for survival while producing badly needed tax revenue for the city.

(More on this whole “Family Friendly” thing that’s been kicked around for years in Hermosa politics: Overall, it’s nothing but code-speak for day tripping inlanders with cheap strollers and limited discretionary income looking for a low rent Disneyland. They won’t support the local restaurants and businesses, and thus generate tax revenue at the same level, because they simply don’t have the funds to do so. To get a picture in you mind of what a “Family Friendly’ Pier Plaza would look like, go to the Redondo Pier on any Sunday; that’s “Family Friendly,” and that’s a mess.)

And then there are the nearby residents who complain about the supposed noise and smells. For starters, the brewery would be on the windward side of things so any "smells" would be heading inland, along with all the other smells of the city yard, metal shops, body shops, etc. These dissipate quickly before crossing the greenbelt. And as for the supposed noise, this may shock the complainers to learn this but you happened to have moved in next to an industrial area, and noise comes with the territory. Supposedly there was some due diligence done before you bought or rented, in which case you've nothing to complain about.(Unless of course that you somehow didn't know that you're next to an industrial area, in which case you're clearly "mentally challenged" and need to be made a ward of the court.) Further, the whole area is very quiet overall, especially on the weekends. Indeed, the adjacent South Park is noisier; I’m surprised that they don’t complain about that.

Hermosa Beach politics sometimes leave you shaking your head in wonder. This foolishness over what would be an excellent little business is a case in point.

Just a thought.

VicB3
Jim

United States

#15 Oct 21, 2010
VICB3, you hit the nail on the head. Oh wait, tha might make some noise and somebdy will complain....
HBwhereRU

Redondo Beach, CA

#16 Oct 21, 2010
VICB3 wrote:
NIMBY, NINBY, NIMBY. This just goes to show you that when you ask permission to do something that there’s always somebody who wants to say “no.”
I’m familiar with this area and site. The unit in question used to make automotive oil additives of some sort. It has a loading dock and an above ground office. It would be perfect for this sort of operation. It’s next to the city yard and a public lot with a derelict Cadillac parked on it.
The site is about a half mile straight line from the Pier Plaza. Nobody from there is about to pop in for a quick one. Further, since this is a commercial brewery, the only beer going out the door will be in kegs and not cups. However, this little fact doesn’t seem to stop the local neo-prohibitionists with a fear of their own cravings from bleating in panic at the mere mention of the word “alcohol,” Instead, these one issue hysterics carry on endlessly about wanting the Pier Plaza to be more “Family Friendly,” and all at the expense of the established restaurants and bars that are fighting for survival while producing badly needed tax revenue for the city.
(More on this whole “Family Friendly” thing that’s been kicked around for years in Hermosa politics: Overall, it’s nothing but code-speak for day tripping inlanders with cheap strollers and limited discretionary income looking for a low rent Disneyland. They won’t support the local restaurants and businesses, and thus generate tax revenue at the same level, because they simply don’t have the funds to do so. To get a picture in you mind of what a “Family Friendly’ Pier Plaza would look like, go to the Redondo Pier on any Sunday; that’s “Family Friendly,” and that’s a mess.)
And then there are the nearby residents who complain about the supposed noise and smells. For starters, the brewery would be on the windward side of things so any "smells" would be heading inland, along with all the other smells of the city yard, metal shops, body shops, etc. These dissipate quickly before crossing the greenbelt. And as for the supposed noise, this may shock the complainers to learn this but you happened to have moved in next to an industrial area, and noise comes with the territory. Supposedly there was some due diligence done before you bought or rented, in which case you've nothing to complain about.(Unless of course that you somehow didn't know that you're next to an industrial area, in which case you're clearly "mentally challenged" and need to be made a ward of the court.) Further, the whole area is very quiet overall, especially on the weekends. Indeed, the adjacent South Park is noisier; I’m surprised that they don’t complain about that.
Hermosa Beach politics sometimes leave you shaking your head in wonder. This foolishness over what would be an excellent little business is a case in point.
Just a thought.
VicB3
I agree on many points points. That little industrial area is mostly quiet and odorless. I microbrewry isn't going to generate much noise and typicaly low odor.

But when it comes to Pier development and the lack of true restaurants, I'd have to say for us residents who go out to eat on a regular basis my money goes more and more to neighboring cities who offer more and better choices. I'd like the commission and council to develop a strategy to support local non-bar establishments so more of my $ can stay in this city where I live. Don't get me wrong, I visit the bars too, but I'm not going to have a nice dinner with the wife at Sharkeys...I'm going to Manhattan.
HBwhereRU

Redondo Beach, CA

#17 Oct 21, 2010
HB Resident wrote:
The city should start to look at businesses in this area and monitor the fumes these places are emitting. The surfboard business should be investigated by the AQMD to be sure they aren't emitting too much pollution. Just because a business has been in the area for a long time doesn't mean it isn't harmful to the residents in the area. The planning commission should probably start to look at the old plans for the area and see if the city should change things. Are the car repair businesses recyling the oil correctly? Just because you have one smelly business doesn't mean you should bring more in.
How is it that you feel compelled to assume these businesses are violating the law and polluting? You also make the assumption that current regulation and oversight are failing --- on what basis? Calling for 'investigation' by the AQMD outside of the normal procedures established to trigger such investigations is irresponsible and beyond logic.

By your logic, perhaps the city should create a new department to monitor the pollution residents are making --- there certainly many, many more times the residential properties in Hermosa than industrial virtually guarantying that most pollution is coming from residents.
RCali

Canoga Park, CA

#18 Oct 21, 2010
Hermosa Needs more empty store fronts, the "ghost town effect" is really charming.

At least we have new cute sidewalks with horribly designed cross walks. I have an idea, let's put a potting plant in the middle of the sidewalk!
VICB3

Spring Hope, NC

#19 Oct 21, 2010
HBwhereRU wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree on many points points. That little industrial area is mostly quiet and odorless. I microbrewry isn't going to generate much noise and typicaly low odor.
But when it comes to Pier development and the lack of true restaurants, I'd have to say for us residents who go out to eat on a regular basis my money goes more and more to neighboring cities who offer more and better choices. I'd like the commission and council to develop a strategy to support local non-bar establishments so more of my $ can stay in this city where I live. Don't get me wrong, I visit the bars too, but I'm not going to have a nice dinner with the wife at Sharkeys...I'm going to Manhattan.
I agree. However, is some little bistro wants to put in a bar to compete with the likes of a Mucho or Cafe Pierre in MB, the Neo-Pros raise a rucus. Look at what Rajun' Cajun went through. Look at what the - what is it?- Buona Vita Restaurant has had to go through, and was denied. The Neo-Pros are convinced that any booze at all somehow turns a resturant into an insta-bar cum frathouse/brothel. They're seemingly in this cracker barrel old timey fantasyland, not realizing that Hermosa by tradition has always had the bars. Indeed, if anything there are more resturants now in Hermosa that 30 or 40 years ago when the whole area was one large crashpad.(Indeed, if you really want to go back in time, consider that the Strand was where you found the whorehouses in the 30's and 40's.) In short, it's improved in tha last 40 years or so. But these Neo-Pros don't see that. Instead - and I repeat here - you have a group seemingly afraid of their own cravings and enamoured of their own self involved moral purity raising a ruckus each and every time somebody wants to start anything more than a ice cream parlor.(BTW, what's Hermosa gonna' do if Starbucks wants to follow through on their new corp. plan to sell premium wines at their Pier Ave. location?)

Once again, this whole thing is silly. Let them build the damn brewery.

Just a thought.(Again, because this whole thing is SOOOO stupid.)

VicB3
the Q

Santa Fe Springs, CA

#20 Oct 21, 2010
VicB3,

Bless the old time south bayers who remember what HB was like not too long ago and are willing to call out the nouveau beeches for the trite, anal
blowhards they are.
Someones Mom

Redondo Beach, CA

#21 Oct 21, 2010
VICB3 wrote:
<quoted text> I agree. However, is some little bistro wants to put in a bar to compete with the likes of a Mucho or Cafe Pierre in MB, the Neo-Pros raise a rucus. Look at what Rajun' Cajun went through. Look at what the - what is it?- Buona Vita Restaurant has had to go through, and was denied. The Neo-Pros are convinced that any booze at all somehow turns a resturant into an insta-bar cum frathouse/brothel. They're seemingly in this **** barrel old timey fantasyland, not realizing that Hermosa by tradition has always had the bars. Indeed, if anything there are more resturants now in Hermosa that 30 or 40 years ago when the whole area was one large crashpad.(Indeed, if you really want to go back in time, consider that the Strand was where you found the whorehouses in the 30's and 40's.) In short, it's improved in tha last 40 years or so. But these Neo-Pros don't see that. Instead - and I repeat here - you have a group seemingly afraid of their own cravings and enamoured of their own self involved moral purity raising a ruckus each and every time somebody wants to start anything more than a ice cream parlor.(BTW, what's Hermosa gonna' do if Starbucks wants to follow through on their new corp. plan to sell premium wines at their Pier Ave. location?)
Once again, this whole thing is silly. Let them build the damn brewery.
Just a thought.(Again, because this whole thing is SOOOO stupid.)
VicB3
OK, I'll make this simple.

1. Just because people bought homes near the manufacturing area doesn't mean they don't have a right to be concerned. I live just off PCH and the fumes from the resin can really give me a headache. Luckily I am only renting. But what if HB Resident is right and the surfboard maker is emitting more fumes than is legal or healthy.

2. The article says the business owner didn't even show up for the meeting. That doesn't sound like someone who has their act together.

3. Conditional Use Permits granted to businesses stay with the location. So the owner of Buona Vita can purchase a liquor license and then IF he does sell his business it automatically goes to the next owner. That business owner might not be such a great guy. The city of HB has a responsibility to extremely critical of any new requests for liquor licenses because of that clause.

4. I don't think people care that this is a brewery. I think it has to do with the "possible" smell and noise. There is nothing wrong with people being concerned about a new business near their homes. Like I said earlier, the business owner didn't even show up.
What's with that?

5. I like the new crosswalks. When you push the button, the crosswalks lightup! It makes crossing the street at night alot safer!

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