Church of the First Born not a church...

Church of the First Born not a church but a Cult

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fred buck

Clifton, TX

#3 Jan 23, 2008
I might add these zealots are not only in Cushing but are nationwide with many chapters. I can't think of anything more evil than to let children and the needy die without medical help. I would be beware of anyone who says they know God's will
member

Grand Prairie, TX

#4 Mar 27, 2008
Iam a member of the church out of cushing I grew up in foster homes and had only gone for a year or two . When I began living in foster homes I went to many different churches and never felt what I felt when I attended church of the firstborn. Yes they preach not to go to the doctor but only because the bible says to go to the elders of the church and have them pray. I don't expect you to understand, but I know that they only do what they feel is right and they do not inforce their belief they tell you what the bible says and try to live by it as best as possible. Cults on the otherhand force their belifs and do not allow free will. there is a difference and by the way you weren't in that room you don't know what she wanted, people tend to tell family who don't understand what they want to here so they will drop it. I have myself. I feel sorry for her and wish she hadn't died but unless you were there you have no right to judge, a right to your opinoin but thats all. God says don't judge others unless you judge yourself.I normally wouldnt speak up but I have watched a lot of good people be put down for their beliefs no one deserves to feel they have to hide their beliefs that's why we live in the united states, freedom of religion . also cults take all your money and possesions and make you do crazy things,firstborn doesn't they don't make you give up anything and they just ask you to follow the bible.
fred buck

Clifton, TX

#5 Mar 27, 2008
member wrote:
Iam a member of the church out of cushing I grew up in foster homes and had only gone for a year or two . When I began living in foster homes I went to many different churches and never felt what I felt when I attended church of the firstborn. Yes they preach not to go to the doctor but only because the bible says to go to the elders of the church and have them pray. I don't expect you to understand, but I know that they only do what they feel is right and they do not inforce their belief they tell you what the bible says and try to live by it as best as possible. Cults on the otherhand force their belifs and do not allow free will. there is a difference and by the way you weren't in that room you don't know what she wanted, people tend to tell family who don't understand what they want to here so they will drop it. I have myself. I feel sorry for her and wish she hadn't died but unless you were there you have no right to judge, a right to your opinoin but thats all. God says don't judge others unless you judge yourself.I normally wouldnt speak up but I have watched a lot of good people be put down for their beliefs no one deserves to feel they have to hide their beliefs that's why we live in the united states, freedom of religion . also cults take all your money and possesions and make you do crazy things,firstborn doesn't they don't make you give up anything and they just ask you to follow the bible.
Letting people die for lack of medical care is very creepy and darkly cultlike. And who decides who lives and dies? God, the allknowing elders, or the person's family. Im sure many members of the first born have farms. I know they take their sick animals to the vet, then why not a sect member who needs the care of a doctor. A doctor won't judge past sin, he will simply try with god's help to save a life. Its not the middle ages, zealots moaning in sackclothe and ashes are hardly experts in modern healthcare.
Amy

United States

#6 Apr 8, 2008
Mr Buck,
I was curious as to why you "are sure" many members have farms? Why would you assume that animals would be treated with medicine? Your logic is scattered my friend. You jump from assumption to insult in your attack of people you obviously do not know. There are many religions that have strong faith based beliefs regarding medicine, are they all to be considered cults? Just because their beliefs are not your own?
fred buck

Clifton, TX

#7 Apr 8, 2008
I guess your poor helpless animals have to suffer in silence as well, have pity.
Amy

United States

#8 Apr 9, 2008
I wonder, Sir, if you believe all organic farmers to be cultists as well.
People condem what they do not know, and attack things they do not understand. These people follow their beliefs, and have an amazing amount of faith, in a time where that is rare. You, just as they, have free will to do what is in your best judgement. I am deeply saddened if it is in your best judgement to attack and insult because of faith you do not possess.

Have pity, indeed.
fred buck

United States

#9 Apr 9, 2008
And you want me to believe that a cult who needlessly lets its memebers die for simple treatable conditions is a group of well meaning organic farmers, what utter hogwash. And I suppose your elders have more healing knowledge and insight about plants and herbs than lets say native america indians living here for thousands of years. The dark ages would be a much better setting for your sect.
Amy

United States

#10 Apr 21, 2008
I am not in the business of making you believe anything. No one is asking for your blessing or permission for anyone to follow their faith. I just find it very sad that you appear to have nothing better to do with your time than spout heat and intolerance. If you knew your history sir- the dark ages are what gave so much power to organized RELIGIONS. I am not a member of the church, but do respect their beliefs, and their right to the freedom to practice their religion.
fred buck

United States

#11 Apr 23, 2008
I guess the dark ages was a great time to be a zealot. Maybe you could get high school aged girls to marry 40 or 50 year old men. Sound familar. My god your death cult even frightens the Bapists. Ask around
Amy

United States

#12 Apr 23, 2008
Seriously, Do you have nothing better to do than hate and insult? I must be mistaken in thinking this was a discussion forum... discussion involves logic sir. And you are without.

What is really ironic about this all, because of your ignorance and intolerance, is who will,(and has been) praying for you.
fred buck

United States

#13 Apr 23, 2008
Over a dozen websites and hundreds of blogs all say the same thing. Your cult doesn't save anyone it kills children and people in need of a doctor. Nonmember forget your elder snurf voo doo and go get your teeth cleaned
fred buck

Clifton, TX

#14 Jun 22, 2008
Can't stand the light of day? If your cause was just you would be shouting it from the mountain tops, instead your sect must crawl and lurk in the shadows till somone else dies without medical help.
Fran

United States

#15 Jul 7, 2008
Fred, you went from Temple, TX , to Dallas, Tx, to Rosebud, Tx. I know the men in Texas are dumb, but come on surely you know where you live!
fred buck

Clifton, TX

#16 Jul 7, 2008
The most important fact is that any third world person in a hut in the most remote place on earth would still seek a doctors care if needed. So, who are the real savages.
Shekanahh

AOL

#17 Jul 7, 2008
fred buck wrote:
The most important fact is that any third world person in a hut in the most remote place on earth would still seek a doctors care if needed. So, who are the real savages.
They call it faith, but it's actually a church "doctrine" that they feel they have to conform to.
What I want to know is how many verifible "healings" on record, as opposed to the number of deaths? Oh, there's probably no records kept because there's no medical documentation UNLESS a tragedy occurs.
fred buck

United States

#18 Jul 8, 2008
As you know its easy to cure a shill who never was sick. Try confirming the patient's medical condition then healing them.
fred buck

United States

#19 Jul 13, 2008
Fran wrote:
Fred, you went from Temple, TX , to Dallas, Tx, to Rosebud, Tx. I know the men in Texas are dumb, but come on surely you know where you live!
fran, God saw fit to make some men or women dumb and they certainly don't all live in Texas.
Fred Buck

Clifton, TX

#20 Oct 15, 2009
I guess Gothard has OKC and COFB has the Cushing area.
Fred Buck

Clifton, TX

#21 Oct 18, 2009
Hers a pitch line for a horror film, A couple takes out life insurance on their kids from birth, while all time the children are kept from medical treatment.
Jeanne S

Franklin, TN

#22 Jan 30, 2010
My sister was a member of this church. In 2005, she gave birth in her home after 13 hours of labor...she then proceeded to bleed for an additional 6 hours before dying in a house full of church members who didn't even have the decency to contact her family, in fact, flat out lied to her father and told him that she was fine, just 2 hours before she passed away. No, maybe they don't insist or deny medical treatment, but they prey on the weak willed and weak minded. The ones that seek approval. My sister died trying to prove her faith in God. Such a loss and a waste of a wonderful person. Unthinkable! And because she was 27, there's nothing that can be done. We just have to take those present at their word. Forgive me if I"m still angry...but this church really needs to be governed in some way. And one of the "elders" present when she died, sits on the city council. Better believe I couldn't ever move back to Cushing!

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