Fluvanna Schools Eliminate 33 Positions for the 2013-14 Year

In an effort to meet an anticipated budget shortfall, Fluvanna County Public Schools has eliminated 33 positions for the 2013-14 school year. Full Story
Fire the Flucos

Washington, DC

#42 Mar 20, 2013
They need to fire a lot more than 33 teachers! They should fire them all and offer them their jobs back at $25 thousand a year.
Bologna Streets

Charlottesville, VA

#43 Mar 20, 2013
Teacher Welfare wrote:
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All lies!
Teachers get 5-12% pay raises every year. The 33 job losses is just another teacher trick to increase this years raises. The board of supervisors needs to fight this!
I'm guessing you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling.
Wondering

Charlottesville, VA

#44 Mar 20, 2013
Fire the Flucos wrote:
They need to fire a lot more than 33 teachers! They should fire them all and offer them their jobs back at $25 thousand a year.
I think their health insurance is almost half that. Good luck getting anyone with a degree for that!
Wondering

Charlottesville, VA

#45 Mar 20, 2013
Just how many teachers work in the 4 schools in Fluvanna? 33 sounds like over 5% of the work force.

Just what do the businesses in Fluvanna have to say about these cuts? If you cut 5% of the county's biggest employer, just how much will this hurt spending in local businesses?
Hmmmmm

Charlottesville, VA

#46 Mar 20, 2013
Liberalace, you are such a bore. Do you think its possible that you might one day attempt to substitute your own simplistic black & white for some shades of gray?

Your comments just reinforce what I already glean from your other posts. You have a highly oversimplified view of the world in your head. This applies to your take in terms of education, teaching, and assessment, how that really plays out in the schools, and to your take on what goes on in corporate contexts. Your black and white picture of the world - that you use to distort the comments of others - belies a basis of very narrow personal experience interpreted through a particular set of religious values.

Religious values you say? Yes. The religious values of "Liberalism" - in the classic sense coming out of comparative political philosophies.(Which means that all "conservatives" and "liberals" in our impoverished US political discussions are all "Liberals"). It is a cult of the individual coupled with an undying, taken-for-granted faith in an unproblematic "scientific" approach to the world that delivers an unproblematic, black and white objectivity.

So for you its pretty clear that people are essentially lazy by nature. The only thing that will motivate them is incentive, and the incentive is pretty much always material incentive. Thus, every system needs to built as a system of incentive to keep the lazy side of people at bey.(Did you explicitly say that? No. But if you object to my reading it in, then it just says that you don't even understand your own thinking).

This is why you can draw a nice distinction between the private and public sectors. You think that the private sector works that way. It is perform or get out. Performance is the great social sorter that ensures justice and equality of opportunity (but not outcome!, and social goodness. Meanwhile, public sector "schemes" that shield people from having to truly earn their place ensures that all public sector stuff will be a disaster. People will have no incentive to perform. They'll just do as little as possible and hide out as much as they can and do little of real value. Institutional failure is inevitable.

It doesn't help that we have high priests of this set of religious precepts. They are called economists, and while many are much smarter about social science that simple religion version, the field as a whole is not. Its distorted and puerile vision of people and societies is codified in K-12 civics books and Econ 101 courses (and then kids are assessed on the "doctrines" by SOL exams).

Meanwhile, as with most religions it represents - not a complete and total fiction - but a mere shadow of a partial reality. Ace, I assure you that whatever your own personal, narrow, anecdotal experiences in the fabled "corporate world," if you go out and do actual, empirical, comparative study of people doing stuff in real organizations - well...you find out a whole lot of stuff. Some of the things that go on look like the nice Liberalism religion picture of yours. And a lot of it doesn't.(Its all gray, man). You will also not find - in the actual empirical world of real people in real organizations - any simple "public/private" or "merit/non-merit" thing going on.

Furthermore, when it doesn't look like your nice Liberal religion picture, its not because people are corrupt or stupid or whatever. Its because - despite the fact that you resist the thought - the world is a friggin complicated place. Much of what goes on within it cannot be rationalized according to the fictions in your head.

So anyway...I can't address any specifics in your last post (I only have 300 characters left)-b/c the kinds of interpretations that you put in my mouth are so far from accurate it would take me a book to sort it out. I can't even figure out why I'm wasting my time here. You have a religion. You smash and mush the world to fit into your religion boxes, and I doubt anything will change that.

Good day.
Time for real cuts

Charlottesville, VA

#47 Mar 22, 2013
You cannot tell me that kids will not learn if we cut another 2 or 3 dozen teachers and increase class size a mere 3 or 4 kids! The savings are substantial and you weaken the teachers union that is driving up school costs!
Sadly

Charlottesville, VA

#48 Mar 23, 2013
They may not have to let anyone go. The staff in my son's school is so disheartened and discouraged between years of cuts and the nearly complete lack of resources that all seven of his teachers are looking for jobs in other systems.
Tired of Taxes

Charlottesville, VA

#49 Mar 23, 2013
Sadly wrote:
They may not have to let anyone go. The staff in my son's school is so disheartened and discouraged between years of cuts and the nearly complete lack of resources that all seven of his teachers are looking for jobs in other systems.
If your kid has 7 different teachers, your school is clearly overstaffed! I fully support Mr Ullenbach's goal of eliminating 15% of the workforce in Fluvanna's schools as a means of reducing the crushing tax burden on the retirees of Fluvanna county, many of which are in danger of losing their homes!
Tired

Palmyra, VA

#50 Mar 24, 2013
Clearly Tired of Taxes knows very little about education past the 3rd grade. Does s(he) really expect the same teacher to teach math, science, history, foreign language, band, government, etc...at the high school level where the state requires that you have to have a degree in the subject you teach?
influvanna

Palmyra, VA

#51 Mar 24, 2013
Tired wrote:"crushing tax burden on the retirees of Fluvanna county, many of which are in danger of losing their homes!" What a bunch of bull, the retirees are sitting pretty in Fluvanna....they just don't want to pay for "other" peoples kids to go to school, bet they didn't have that problem when their children were school age. The only danger many of them face is not eating out once less a month or missing a round of golf. Maybe we should cut medicare and SS and really save some money.

My kids are no longer in Fluvanna schools, did well in college, I still live here and will do my duty to this counties young by supporting school funding. I never observed the system as wast-full or over funded at the classroom level, though I think the bureaucracy in the superintendents office has grown beyond need or reason. Love the new high school, though I've never been in it....the old one was an embarrassment to all the citizens of Fluvanna. I am thankful Mr. Barlow was able to lead the school, its staff, and its students to the levels of achievement no county need be ashamed of. They needed a "new" home, maybe it was a little too nice, most likely not and its value will be realized with time...

And we have to stop belly aching about paying for it and for the costs of our neighbors children education....We don't have the best facilities, highest paid staff, lowest class sizes, or any other measure of excess, waste or extravagance that indicates an over funded program....only the basics are provided in Fluvanna, and its been that way from what I've seen since the Mid 80's. A pretty good education, for as little as possible....lets not slide into spending less just to quite the whiners over their self serving denial of responsibility to educate the counties children. We are at that point were real harm maybe at hand...and our current
"good" level of educational results falls in quality; that harms all in the county through its implications of the counties values as a community in which one wants to locate.
just wait

Charlottesville, VA

#52 Mar 25, 2013
Now they are talking about building a new elementarty school. No doubt this one will hold 1500 kids and include non essentials like a roller coaster!
Tax Waste

Charlottesville, VA

#53 Mar 28, 2013
influvanna wrote:
Tired wrote:"crushing tax burden on the retirees of Fluvanna county, many of which are in danger of losing their homes!" What a bunch of bull, the retirees are sitting pretty in Fluvanna....they just don't want to pay for "other" peoples kids to go to school, bet they didn't have that problem when their children were school age. The only danger many of them face is not eating out once less a month or missing a round of golf. Maybe we should cut medicare and SS and really save some money.
My kids are no longer in Fluvanna schools, did well in college, I still live here and will do my duty to this counties young by supporting school funding. I never observed the system as wast-full or over funded at the classroom level, though I think the bureaucracy in the superintendents office has grown beyond need or reason. Love the new high school, though I've never been in it....the old one was an embarrassment to all the citizens of Fluvanna. I am thankful Mr. Barlow was able to lead the school, its staff, and its students to the levels of achievement no county need be ashamed of. They needed a "new" home, maybe it was a little too nice, most likely not and its value will be realized with time...
And we have to stop belly aching about paying for it and for the costs of our neighbors children education....We don't have the best facilities, highest paid staff, lowest class sizes, or any other measure of excess, waste or extravagance that indicates an over funded program....only the basics are provided in Fluvanna, and its been that way from what I've seen since the Mid 80's. A pretty good education, for as little as possible....lets not slide into spending less just to quite the whiners over their self serving denial of responsibility to educate the counties children. We are at that point were real harm maybe at hand...and our current
"good" level of educational results falls in quality; that harms all in the county through its implications of the counties values as a community in which one wants to locate.
Firing 33 teachers is a great start toward eliminating tax waste.
VAN DER

Charlottesville, VA

#54 Mar 29, 2013
Fluvanna needs a mega landfill to get Jersey, NY trash in here and get some $$$$$$$$$ flowing in!!!

ITS COMING PEOPLE MARK MY WORDS I WILL BUILD IT.

HELP OR GET OUT OF THE WAY. I MIGHT EVEN PERSONALLY PUT YOU IN THE LANDFILL IF YOU COMPLAIN.
Fluvy Gal

Palmyra, VA

#55 Mar 29, 2013
Tired of Taxes wrote:
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If your kid has 7 different teachers, your school is clearly overstaffed! I fully support Mr Ullenbach's goal of eliminating 15% of the workforce in Fluvanna's schools as a means of reducing the crushing tax burden on the retirees of Fluvanna county, many of which are in danger of losing their homes!
First of all, contrary to his delusions, it is NOT Mr. Ullenbruch's place to eliminate positions in the school system. He may have a say in how much money the county gives to the schools, but that's where his authority ends.

Secondly, if a student is in middle or high school, you will have a different teacher for each class. A high school student in Fluvanna has 4 or 5 classes per semester. A middle school student has 8 classes on a block schedule year-round. So explain how a student with 7 teachers means the school is overstaffed. Do you expect one teacher to teach two or three classes simultaneously?
influvanna

Palmyra, VA

#56 Apr 8, 2013
Tax Waste wrote:
<quoted text>
Firing 33 teachers is a great start toward eliminating tax waste.
The schools are not a "tax waste", they are a necessity and a proper function of government to be supported through tax dollars. All organizations have waste, public and private. Fluvanna schools have never been over funded and this includes its physical operations and its need at the time of a new high school. yes, building is expensive, but at some point it has to happen and then be paid for over and above general operating costs...

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#57 Apr 8, 2013
influvanna wrote:
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The schools are not a "tax waste", they are a necessity and a proper function of government to be supported through tax dollars. All organizations have waste, public and private. Fluvanna schools have never been over funded and this includes its physical operations and its need at the time of a new high school. yes, building is expensive, but at some point it has to happen and then be paid for over and above general operating costs...
Totally agree. And if the high school hadn't be fought for years and years, it would have been built a long time ago at a much lower cost--and before the economy crashed.
Common Sense

Charlottesville, VA

#58 Apr 9, 2013
Fluvy Gal wrote:
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Totally agree. And if the high school hadn't be fought for years and years, it would have been built a long time ago at a much lower cost--and before the economy crashed.
You don't build massive expensive buildings in the middle of a crash!

You don't hand out pay raises in the middle of a crash!

You don't increase benefits in the middle of a crash!

You don't buy expensive new computers in the middle of a crash!

The school system is full of crazy, economicly illiterate, overspending, insensitive morons!
suspicious

Baltimore, MD

#59 Apr 9, 2013
It seems all this school system ever does is whine for more money
Dude

Bumpass, VA

#60 Apr 9, 2013
Common Sense wrote:
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You don't build massive expensive buildings in the middle of a crash!
You don't hand out pay raises in the middle of a crash!
You don't increase benefits in the middle of a crash!
You don't buy expensive new computers in the middle of a crash!
The school system is full of crazy, economicly illiterate, overspending, insensitive morons!
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Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#61 Apr 9, 2013
Common Sense wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't build massive expensive buildings in the middle of a crash!
You don't hand out pay raises in the middle of a crash!
You don't increase benefits in the middle of a crash!
You don't buy expensive new computers in the middle of a crash!
The school system is full of crazy, economicly illiterate, overspending, insensitive morons!
The "massive expensive building" was in the works way before the crash. It would have been completed way before the crash, but people like you fought it tooth and nail for years. If our lovely BOS had the guts to approve the advertised tax rate last year we would be in good shape.

I can't speak to how many computers were purchased for the new high school. That might be your only valid argument. I know there were a bunch of ipods purchased that were certainly unnecessary. HOWEVER, you are sadly mistaken about the schools increasing benefits and and giving pay raises. Employer contributions to all benefits have been decreased, causing much higher deductions from employee paychecks. In addition, there have been no pay raises in 5 years. Last year we received a tiny cost of living raise to offset a new Virginia Retirement System contribution which we are now required to make. Most of us still ended up with a net pay decrease in the end.

I don't know why I'm wasting keystrokes trying to explain any of this to someone like you. You obviously don't want to hear facts because you are more interested in spreading lies.

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