TC attendant for 2 years

Albuquerque, NM

#21 Oct 8, 2008
croloff wrote:
I also went to Teen Challenge of New Mexico. I completely agree with Kleyva. I not only attended the school but I was brain washed into working as a staff member for over 2 years after I graduated. I learned how to clean out freezers and dumpsters, but I didn't learn a thing about the real world. The overall character of the staff is totally based on money. The directors live in a beautiful 2 story house while the girls live in an old house with run down cars and have to take 3 minute showers even after cleaning out a mouse infested dumpster. They don't even allow you to look out of the windows or watch anything other than FOX News. They also influence you to ONLY vote republican.
After spending almost 5 years of my life there I later found out that my "High School Diploma" is not a real diploma. Teen Challenge is not a credited school. Of the 5 years I was there, only 3 girls were tested at a high school level for A.C.E. The rest of the girls (over 200) were tested at a 2nd grade level and made to "graduate" with a FAKE vocational diploma. Teen Challenge of New Mexico is the biggest manipulating and brain washing cult I have ever known.
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When did you attend? I went to Teen Challenge of NM 13 years ago, I still have nightmares of returned, forced to clean dumpsters with toothbrushes, clean bull and horse crap with my bare hands, forbidden to talk to anyone for weeks when I disobeyed, and forced to eat beans and nothing else for a week is not loving discipline they advertise. They shove religion down your throat. I was told I was not wanted by my family when I wanted to go home, told that my asthma was not real, depression was not real, anxiety, not real and allowed not even an inhaler to treat it. God heals all they said. At 13 years old they made me watch an abortion to scare me into being pro life. The staff members (not even graduates of the program themselves, but students!) would make up lies about me to get me into trouble, and again was sentenced to silence for weeks. I was so severely depressed while there. We were not allowed to look out the windows, speak to anyone outside the program, including family members except for monitored calls. Once on a monitored call the staff member disconnected the call in mid sentence because I 'did not say yes sir and no sir' to my father enough. They may have the right idea to help people, but for young adolescence it is wrong, there is no love in the program, except from 'God' which is not enough for a 13 year old girl. Most girls got along long enough just to get out, and I know for a fact some are worse off than they were.
Linda

United States

#22 Oct 27, 2008
I went to Teen challenge New Mexico in 1999
and I almost committed suicide after I left. I was told that I was stepping out of God's plan if i left and I was never going to be under "his protection" if I left....If you want to be completely disenfranchised with any religious program, this is the way to do it...
croloff wrote:
I also went to Teen Challenge of New Mexico. I completely agree with Kleyva. I not only attended the school but I was brain washed into working as a staff member for over 2 years after I graduated. I learned how to clean out freezers and dumpsters, but I didn't learn a thing about the real world. The overall character of the staff is totally based on money. The directors live in a beautiful 2 story house while the girls live in an old house with run down cars and have to take 3 minute showers even after cleaning out a mouse infested dumpster. They don't even allow you to look out of the windows or watch anything other than FOX News. They also influence you to ONLY vote republican.
After spending almost 5 years of my life there I later found out that my "High School Diploma" is not a real diploma. Teen Challenge is not a credited school. Of the 5 years I was there, only 3 girls were tested at a high school level for A.C.E. The rest of the girls (over 200) were tested at a 2nd grade level and made to "graduate" with a FAKE vocational diploma. Teen Challenge of New Mexico is the biggest manipulating and brain washing cult I have ever known.
klleyva

Santa Fe, NM

#23 Nov 16, 2008
I am heart broken to hear these people who went to Teen Challeng of New Mexico and left traumitized! I am more discusted to hear those who defend the teachings of the New Mexico adolecent program. I am a survivor of that place. I was so brain washed when I left that I thought I was going to be nothing but be a loser, drug addict, abuser because I chose not to stay there. NO ONE LEAVES ON GOOD TERMS! I spoke with someone from another Teen Challenge a few weeks ago they to said the have heard other places run under the organization are aweful but some are good. Please understand that the organizations talked about are in different areas and run by different people. The directors of New Mexico live in a beautiful home have beautiful things and drive beautiful cars and have good milk. Sounds dumb to say milk but we drank powdered milk with wheevals (bugs) that came to the surface and our prep of that meal was to scrap the surface off and catch as many as we can. Then breakfast was served. That was the solution given to us by the directors. I was even most heart broken when a girl called me so hurt that she was rejected from college because this center is not an accredited school. They told us all that our diplomas were real. She now has to get a GED to move on with her life even after she worked so hard to meet all the false requirments set by the directors. If you went to this center and still are supporting them shame on you. One day you need to realize the truth and ask yourself if you would treat your child the way they treated us. I left that place sick and could have lost my life there for a life threatening brain tumor that they rufused to pay attention to my sysmtoms because "they weren't real". For the person that wrote all those "awesome" things about the Hall's you if you didn't go there and are just and innocent church attender who has listened to them martyr themselfs check yourself and close your wallet. That place has run its course and has ruined enough lives!
paul h

Milwaukee, WI

#24 Nov 17, 2008
I am a graduate of T.C. Arizona. Today,after moving back to the midwest,I am a husband,a son,a brother,an uncle,and a taxpayer!Addicted to NARCOTICS for over 20 years and now by the grace of GOD and through the help of men and women and the organization of TEEN CHALLENGE I have a LIFE today and LIFE MORE ABUNDUNTLY than I ever imagined.It was a choice,the most difficult thing I have ever done-But soooo worth it. Yes T.C. isn't without fault,but neither am I! GOD BLESS!!!
paul h

Milwaukee, WI

#25 Nov 17, 2008
GOD IS GOOD!!!T.C.changed my life for the better!8 Years clean and sober now-loving life and thankful for the program!!!!
lovinglife2008

Saint Albans, WV

#26 Dec 5, 2008
Cheryl wrote:
I am a 1998 graduate of Fort Worth Teen Challenge. I observed and received nothing but love and teaching from FWTC. I have kept in touch with the ministry since graduating ten years ago. I think it is terrible that anyone would say something negative about this organization.
I am a 1985 graduate of Fort Worth Teen Challenge. Because of Larry and Billy Paul's obedience to God they saved my life. I have been clean and sober for 20+ years!!! It was also absolutely free to go there. I am truly disgusted by the letter I just read.
In The Mitten

Ecorse, MI

#27 Dec 17, 2008
So who knows about the directors at the Ventura Women's Teen Challenge (AKA Tri-County) who were escorted off the property by the police for embezzelment/extortion (both?).
Michael

Fort Myers, FL

#28 Dec 18, 2008
If you think Teen Challenge is less than perfect and worried about the dollar, you are right. Just like your doctor, your hospital, your government, your paycheck. Everyone is obsessed with money, and everyone has bills to pay. The thing about TC is that unlike other rehabs, TC tries to raise the money to take care of all the broke-ass drug addicts who come to them for help. TC has been saving lives for over 50 years, including mine, so don't be so short sighted.

I have worked in the TC network for over 10 years. I have seen some abuses, some bad leadership, some bad attitudes from students who are so rotten to the core, they don't want any positive change in their life.
Dave

Midlothian, VA

#29 Dec 24, 2008
I have seen Teen Challenge work in Athens W.Va. and can confidently say that whether there is a 86% effective rate or 10% .... that is not really the issue is it .... but are good people working selflessly with a God centered approach to try to help young adults have a chance at a spiritually based, self respecting life and future ....and the answer to this is yes....this is what goes on there... I have met some of these young men and have seen how they are trying to get a new start on their lives with an approach (God centered) that has a chance to last ...no gimmicks here...just a sincere love for one another and a self reliant responsible approach.... I watched my mother work and teach there and I know how important these young men were to my mother and as all efforts like this are, she also received many more blessing than she felt gave out herself... None of these programs are perfect ....but some are probably more fundamentally sound, sincere and rooted in God's great goodness and spirit ... my bet is on these type of programs ....we have seen it work for so many young adults and have made this world a better place one person at a time, very quietly and humbly... May God bless those that selflessly do this for all the right reasons... We all need to do better at choosing trust and love and not cynicism....
a grad

Empire, CA

#30 Dec 28, 2008
well i would like tell everyone that teen challenge is great and that u r blessed if u go throuh it
rose

United States

#31 Jan 31, 2009
My son is in Teen Challenge of Middle Georgia. It has transformed his life. He was headed to prison or the grave. He was out of control. Teen Challenge is not a cake walk. I think of it as Christian boot camp. When folks get to this point they need, strict structure. And it takes money to feed these people. The contributions do not cover the expenses. They have to go our searching for ways to get money to pay the bills. I don't know anything about the TC of New Mexico. But I can say that I have seen miracles happen at TC of Middle Georgia. Yes, they have to work. Perhaps the 3 minute showers were a correction from 30 minute showers. We need to hear both sides to determine. I recommend visiting the centers and speaking with the staff wherever you are considering sending your child. Good Luck
Becky

AOL

#32 Feb 22, 2009
My son is currently in Appalachian Teen Challenge in West Virginia. He is 32 years old, with 2 beautiful 8 year old twins that he loves dearly. His heart is so tender, and always has been, but he had a horrible drug addiction that caused him to compromise himself many times over. He was in 3 state run drug rehabs, and one other Christian based program over the last several years. They all worked for about 1 year, and then he would start all over again. He went to Teen Challenge in October of last year, and is already a changed man. The difference is undeniable. The truth is, he is changing from the inside out. I am so very thankful for this program, and for all the dedicated men and women who work with these men. I thank God for guiding my son, and so many other there. I am confident that my son will have a life with God, instead of a life with drugs. Praise God!!!! I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but my opinion is Teen Challenge is inspired of God.
concerned stoner

Ballico, CA

#33 Feb 23, 2009
Uh it depends on what drugs your children are on. If they smoke marijuana then thats not a drug its a plant. If there into coke or dropping pills then yes thats a drug. So be specific on what drugs your children are taking. If you think that marijuana is a drug your sadly mistaken. And for that matter im sure that you've smoked it before so dont judge them
Frank the tank

Greensboro, NC

#34 Mar 1, 2009
didnt the executive directors son pull a pistol on a guy at Applichian teen challenge?
sierra

Kannapolis, NC

#35 Mar 10, 2009
croloff wrote:
I also went to Teen Challenge of New Mexico. I completely agree with Kleyva. I not only attended the school but I was brain washed into working as a staff member for over 2 years after I graduated. I learned how to clean out freezers and dumpsters, but I didn't learn a thing about the real world. The overall character of the staff is totally based on money. The directors live in a beautiful 2 story house while the girls live in an old house with run down cars and have to take 3 minute showers even after cleaning out a mouse infested dumpster. They don't even allow you to look out of the windows or watch anything other than FOX News. They also influence you to ONLY vote republican.
After spending almost 5 years of my life there I later found out that my "High School Diploma" is not a real diploma. Teen Challenge is not a credited school. Of the 5 years I was there, only 3 girls were tested at a high school level for A.C.E. The rest of the girls (over 200) were tested at a 2nd grade level and made to "graduate" with a FAKE vocational diploma. Teen Challenge of New Mexico is the biggest manipulating and brain washing cult I have ever known.
I also went to the Teen Challenge of New Mexico about 10 years ago. The same people are still running that program. I have one word CULT and guess what folks I am a christian. Hey for all you who think teen challenge is great I suggest you do some research and see what happened to the teen challenge program in Shreveport, LA in 1996. If you are reading this and have been there then you know how that one was. It was closed down. So I have been to two teen challenge programs and I think it promotes cult behaivors and not christian behaivors. I remember at the one in New Mexico the nice women who ran that one used to make us all pray in the same room and she would listen to see if we "prayed correctly". Would someone please help me understand how you pray correctly. CULT CULT CULT

As with any program please do your research before you attend or send a minor because I am one person out of many that came out of teen challenge with less self esteem than I went in with.
Mylissa

Germantown, MD

#36 Apr 6, 2009
TJTJ wrote:
If you would like the "Truth" from experience about Western Michigan Teen Challenge you can contact me at tj.1001@hotmail.com.
I will answer your questions truthfully. I am also in contact with others in the area who have gone through TC.
Is this West Michigan, Teen Challenge. Because I am currently trying to get my sister into this program and she alrady had a BAD experience with the Teen Challenge in Pittsburg. But she is willing to try this one. I need to know the core values of the one in West Michigan. Thanks
Jose Gil

Turlock, CA

#37 Apr 6, 2009
I went to Teen Challenge and I will admit it was not an easy thing but I believe that those who bash teen challenge are focusing their attention way too muck on man. Teen Challenge is a christian discipleship program that requires your attention to be placed on your relationship with Jesus not what those around you are doing. Heres a thought focus that attention to your relationship with Jesus and not man and I couldnt even begin to tell you the journey he would take you on. The comment about "the almighty dollar" You try running a program that asks for no money from their students and see how long that would last. maybe those that would like to complain maybe you should read Matthew 7:5
Jose Gil

Turlock, CA

#38 Apr 8, 2009
concerned stoner wrote:
Uh it depends on what drugs your children are on. If they smoke marijuana then thats not a drug its a plant. If there into coke or dropping pills then yes thats a drug. So be specific on what drugs your children are taking. If you think that marijuana is a drug your sadly mistaken. And for that matter im sure that you've smoked it before so dont judge them
Marijuana is a drug. I used to think the same way you do when I was like that. Its a drug because it alters your mind. Then if its only a plant then cokes not a drug because it comes from a plant. I used to justify what I used to do as well.
M Fisher

Philadelphia, PA

#39 Apr 8, 2009
I wrote a testimonial on the author's website. It was a positive testimonial. I told him how God had used TC to change my life. No program is perfect, neither are believers perfect, which is why we so desperately need Jesus. He is the only One who has never sinned. My experience with TC taught me to take responsibility for my own actions and not look to man with unrealistic expectations. Believe me I am aware of how imperfect the staff can be at any center. Guess what? They are us. If anyone put a magnifying glass to any of our lives, we would fall under the weight of failure. But, through Christ we are made perfect. The Father sees us through His Son - Praise Him for that. Our hope is to be with Him one day in glory.
Mr. Kincheloe cannot understand spiritual concepts because he does not truly know the Lord. That is completely obvious. We cannot expect unbelievers to understand spiritual concepts because they do not have the Savior or Holy Spirit to show them the truth. With that said, let us keep a tight checks and balance system with our TC leaders and centers. Anyone left unaccountable, tends to wander into trouble. Ex-addicts need extreme amounts of accountability. There is no shame in that. When left alone, I fell away from the Lord, and now I glory in accountability. Anyway, this was Michael Kincheloe's heartbreaking, bitter response to my email...
"I have a policy concerning testimonials: When Teen Challenge begins posting negative feedback on their website, I will begin posting positive feedback on mine.
I am ultimately responsible for the wreckage of my past; my site does not blame Teen Challenge for that, it exposes them for taking advantage of those in similar situations. Teen Challenge's primary motivation is not to help them recover but to use that as a smokescreen for hauling in all the money they can on the backs of these so-called "new creations." This is why if a student gets sick or injured and cannot make money for the "ministry," they are unceremoniously dumped at the bus station, regardless of whether or not they have any money.
There is nothing wrong with Jesus; the words attributed to him in the New Testament have and will continue to inspire countless individuals. But there is something wrong with - figuratively speaking - staff members using Jesus as their own personal attack dog in order to bully others into doing whatever suits their twisted fancy"

My response is - don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. There are still good leaders and centers out there affecting lives positively.
Jose Gil

Turlock, CA

#40 Apr 11, 2009
So Some tc staff screw up.Well if you put your hope in man, man will only fail you but when you put your hope in God he will never leave you nor forsake you. He will never let you down. Maybe just maybe these men are in our lives to demonstrate that simple fact. If you look for perfection in man your looking at the wrong place because that went out the window at the garden but put your hope in God.He is perfect in all his ways.

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