2 women charged in daycare scam

There are 63 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Sep 28, 2007, titled 2 women charged in daycare scam. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Two Gary women have been charged with stealing nearly $150,000 from the state for fraudulent daycare services.

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Rachael

Framingham, MA

#55 Sep 28, 2007
It's people like this that make it impossible for people who are truly in need to get help.
gsn

Lanesville, IN

#56 Sep 28, 2007
Jane wrote:
Well truthfully as a parent I might have left my card there as well not thinking that these ladies would swipe the card while my child was not there. The card is pointless to have unless you are taking your child to daycare, its not used for food stamps, its used for child care so, who would have ever guessed. The parents should not get charged with any offense. Wow, wonder how long this went on before anyone caught on? Way to go government, lets give some more money to those who don't deserve it!!!
Sounds like you were not wanting to pay your copay for childcare1
Anyways

United States

#57 Sep 28, 2007
The parents probably received a kickback from what I understand that is a very common practice. The parents were given a list of the rules when they enrolled in the program if they did not read them that is their fault. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. They should be prosecuted, lose all benefits, and be forced to pay back the money they helped steal. Since they were receiving benefits they likely have no money, so they should have to do community service for minimum wage until the money is paid back.
Good Grief

Indianapolis, IN

#59 Sep 29, 2007
please enter your name wrote:
None of you know how hard the daycare business is. First a childcare worker makes no more than $7.00 an hour watching your lil troublemaker with an additional 15 troublemakers. If a child gets hurt, like they do at your home, then they get sued. And worst of all, you parents expect to the childgiver to be the parent that you are unable to.
I say every single childcare center should shut down. And that will stop you from dumping your troublemaker on the daycare for $7.00 an hour.
Peace out...
That has nothing to do with this story and certainly does not justify deliberately breaking the law or cheating the system.
Good Grief

Indianapolis, IN

#60 Sep 29, 2007
INDYGIRL wrote:
STOP...all give-aways now! All this will dry up and go away.
Having worked in the social work system, I know that plenty of good people need a helping hand, but you are right. Give-aways do not lead most people to personal responsibility and this case proves it again. Parents are informed not to leave their cards or share their passcodes with anyone, but they did it anyway, because for whatever reason they were not taking responsibility for that money as if it were their own. Shame on them.
Childcare Advocate

Demotte, IN

#61 Sep 30, 2007
Fact:
The POS machine and hoosier childcare card are in no way simular to a credit/debit card. It takes about 5 minutes to swipe each child, and if a parent makes a mistake, then they have to start over. This is when a child arrives and departs.
Fact:
If a parent forgets to swipe their card and continues to forget, the provider does not get paid unless they file a descrepency form, and then it could take up to 5 months.(Like to see how many employees would wait for their paycheck 5 months after working)
Childcare Advocate

Demotte, IN

#62 Sep 30, 2007
Fact:
A provider cannot continually swipe a child in and get an outragious amount of money. Market rates apply.
Fact:
Contracted agencies are not training parents on how to use the card and the machine, as they are paid to do. Parents arrive at childcare with children in one hand and card in the other, not knowing what to do.
Fact:
If the machine breaks down, the company who supplies the machine may not get to it in time. Providers then loose out because they will have to wait up to 5 months to get paid
Childcare Advocate

Demotte, IN

#63 Sep 30, 2007
Fact:
Most licences childcare providers require payment prior to services, the CCDF funds are not ran this way.
Fact:
Most licensed childcare providers charge one price for full time. Parents, be it cash paying or on assistance, pay regardless of their child attending or not. CCDF funds are not ran this way. Providers get paid 2-4 weeks after services rendered, and CCDF does not pay if a child is not in attendance.
Childcare Advocate

Demotte, IN

#64 Sep 30, 2007
Fact:
A parent on CCDF funds can run up a bill with their curent provider (copays) call their respective agency, set up to go to another provider, and walk away without paying.
Fact:
Even though CCDF funds do not run parrallel to a licensed providers business practice. CCDF parents are allowed 20 personal days a year of childcare, meaning they do not have to go to work or school, but can drop their child off for childcare.
Childcare Advocate

Demotte, IN

#65 Sep 30, 2007
I am in no way saying what these women did was right, but people need to know that receiving vouchers is not a walk in the park. Providers are constantly trying to get parents to swipe their cards, trying to teach them how to do it, and making them understand the service provided is not free. Their job is to care for children, not unresponsible parents and a machine. This has been an ongoing battle with FSSA, and they make promises to providers that they do not keep. They need to update the system to coinside with how a typical provider runs their business. If the parents, in this case, gave out their personal code, they too should be charged. Again, I would never advocate someone doing something illegal, but I wanted to round out the picture of what it is like for providers.
Before you start slamming, ask yourself how you would feel if you worked for 2-3 weeks, and find out when you are supposed to get paid, the money isnt there? How long would you do that for?
Childcare Advocate

Demotte, IN

#66 Sep 30, 2007
HistoryPixie wrote:
This is why there should be stronger policies toward licensing daycares. Everyone should have to be licensed, and checked up on frequently. Harsher punishments to those who are fraudulent should be imposed. As a mother who is about to put her son in daycare, events such as these make me nervous and angry. No mother should have to worry if their child is being cared for properly or if the employees are doing fradudelent activites, but alas we do not live in a perfect world.
Please check the carefinder website www.carefinder.in.gov to check on your perspective for childcare. As in any profession, you have your good and your bad.
Justice for all

Lexington, KY

#68 Oct 1, 2007
My question is what did the parents that left their cards get charged with? They were in on the scam too according to your article.
Childcare Advocate

Demotte, IN

#69 Oct 2, 2007
Justice for all wrote:
My question is what did the parents that left their cards get charged with? They were in on the scam too according to your article.
My guess is nothing. There are alot of parents who abuse this system.(ie drop their children off for day care and dont go to work or school) I know many providers who have called to turn them in and nothing happens. Parents do not view this as a benifit, but a right to quality childcare without paying. If FSSA would take an honest look at this program, they would see that there are more parents abusing this system then providers.
mykidzmom

Mccordsville, IN

#70 Oct 2, 2007
Mommy wrote:
This makes me mad. Years ago we had Daybreak until the scandal. Then the State cut us off.
Before the heartless posters tear into me. I worked at a low wage job and daycare took ALOT of money for my two kids. Just finding a magical high paying job was NOT an option back then. The increased daycare burden was a hardship.
Now they will probably punish mothers who had nothing to do with this by "reevaluating" their status just like the Daybreak days.
GO TO SCHOOL, GET AN EDUCATION, GET MARRIED, AFFORD TO HAVE CHILDREN, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS CONCEPT? I'M TIRED OF PAYING FOR YOUR CHILDCARE!!
Mark Sn yder

Warsaw, IN

#71 Oct 8, 2007
I know without a doubt the State is going to go after the providers with a vengance. Probabley should. Not for me to say.

The real question is: What is the State going to do to the parents that were not to give access to the cards or pins by the providers.

The State is always onto the providers. When are they going to be onto the parents. These parents should be made an example of.

The state spent millions of dollars on this wonderful voucher system of ours. The funny part is the expense was justified by saying this would not and could not happen. More tax dollars wasted. Tax dollars wasted on the poor excuse of a system that doesn't even take into consideration of a provider's contract and how it works; tax dollars wasted by paying alleged fraudulent swipes; and now tax dollars spent to prosecute and recover funds.

Once again, when this system was forced down the throats of providers, we were told the parents were going to be trained. This never happened. We had to attend a mandatory meeting, but the parents did not.

At one of those mandatory meetings, I told them not to tell the parents that they have up to 13 days to swipe the card. The very next day, I confronted a parent to swipe the card daily and was told that State said they had up to 13 days. Just another example of government waste.
Mark Sn yder

Warsaw, IN

#72 Oct 8, 2007
seriously wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not saying the system doesn't need to be changed, but you sound like a Nazi my friend. A program of sterilization cannot be tolerated in a free country.
Why does he sound like a NAZI. I am a daycare provider that does not give family discounts. I did not tell these people to have one or multiple children! Why should the tax payers be responsible to pay for the irresponsibilities of others.

There used to be a day that families took care of their own. The tax dollars were not available in subsidies. During that time if a mother brought a child into the world with no way to take care of it, the family had their own ways of teaching the mother there had not be anymore.

I get no help with my two children. No reduced lunches. No free milk at school. NO WIC. NO Food Stamps. No Medicaid. We went without insurance for 7 years and paid every medical bill ourselves. We received no help with our responsibilities.

It is funny that you used the word NAZI, because you see, NAZI's wanted you to be dependant on them, to fear them and to lose the identity of oneself, to meld into the union of one voice. Sounds like government to me, not someone wanting to be free of being taxed to death.

There was also a time in this country where we were tired of being taxed to death, it was known as the Boston Tea Party. Maybe we should do that again. Start with property taxes, subsidy programs, and finish with the politicians that run this state and country as if it were endless in funds instead of like a business and without any fore thought to the consequences of the voters.
Told you so

Warsaw, IN

#73 Oct 9, 2007
I told you so
PANCHO VILLA

El Paso, TX

#74 Oct 9, 2007
Told you so wrote:
I told you so
THINK OF THE CHILDREN THAT ARE OUT THERE AND NEED TO BE IN CHILDCARE BUT THERE PARENTS DON'T QUALIFY BECAUSE THEY MAKE A FEW BUCKS OVER THE GUIDELINES. THIS IS WHY THE SYSTEM SUCKS.
VERY UNDERSTANDING

United States

#75 Feb 1, 2008
Childcare Advocate wrote:
Fact:
The POS machine and hoosier childcare card are in no way simular to a credit/debit card. It takes about 5 minutes to swipe each child, and if a parent makes a mistake, then they have to start over. This is when a child arrives and departs.
Fact:
If a parent forgets to swipe their card and continues to forget, the provider does not get paid unless they file a descrepency form, and then it could take up to 5 months.(Like to see how many employees would wait for their paycheck 5 months after working)
These are both true... Some parents put the responsibilty on the childcare so they don't do their clockins so they can be lazy and if the clockins are kept up with then the state doesn't pay that fee...childcare fees for each child are due regardless of attendance because they are holding a spot that another child can't have and that another parent can't use and that that provider can't get paid for... Now if the parents were doing it just for money and scammed only for that, then they should be stopped...as far as clocking the kids in, use your childcare so the provider will get paid and you won't have to pay out the pocket expenses... they gave you your childcare to use it!!!!!
Dr Kenny

Orlando, FL

#76 Dec 12, 2008
Please leave scammers. What the hell is going on with you people. Scammers are using their brian. Okay. Stop giving us hard time.

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