Reba McPhail @ Homestead school

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concernedmom

Crossville, TN

#1 Jan 20, 2012
Has anyone ever had a problem with this teacher? If so any advice?
aryns mom

United States

#2 Jan 20, 2012
My daughter had her last year. She gave a lot of homework and had really high expectations for the kids but she also went out of her way to offer tutoring or extra help.
Substitute teacher

Crossville, TN

#3 Jan 23, 2012
concernedmom wrote:
Has anyone ever had a problem with this teacher? If so any advice?
She does try to help them when they come along and ask for it.... but in my personal option she is very rude with the kids SOMETIMES and SOMETIMES when shes explaining stuff on the board she will get it wrong or start again in the middle of it and redo it which just confuses the kids and when they ask she kindof got aggervated with them for not understanding.
Concerned Parent

Crossville, TN

#4 Mar 1, 2012
We have a child in her class this year and we are having multiple problems with Ms. Mcphail. To name a few reoccuring problems: 1)teacher misplaces homework constantly, 2)threatens and intimidates students. 3)Will not communicate with parents - will not answer email or messages sent to her. 4)Expects students to teach each other and gets upset if student asks her for help.
goy

Crossville, TN

#5 Mar 1, 2012
have kid in her class now ,an she has said all these things to,but i figured that it was an excuse.will have to check in on it.
halo

United States

#6 Mar 2, 2012
does she have detention slips filled out, just missing the infraction and date like she has in the past? and does she still do the 3 before me rule-meaning you better try three different ways to learn how to do the work before you dare bother her?
Illiterate Idiots

Crossville, TN

#7 Mar 2, 2012
Three before me means a student is to try to use three resources to figure out how to solve the problem before asking the teacher for help. It is usually done after the lesson is over. In other words, you should go to your notes, go to to your book, and ask a friend for an explanation before automatically asking the teacher for help. Much like most people have to do in the real world.

I don't know about this teacher, but I was expected to do the same thing when I was in school, and found that by being quiet, paying attention, and putting forth a bit of effort, I was in need of help far less often. It is a neat trick that more kids should try.

If more people told their kid to shut up and do their work maybe teachers would get to teach more and spend less time babysitting.
Concerned Parent

Crossville, TN

#8 Mar 4, 2012
My comment is for the previous post who has appropriately identified themselves as "Illiterate Idiots".

Well Mr/Ms. "Illiterate Idiots" I don't think that your comments show very much respect for, nor are they very considerate of, the parents that actually have children in this class and have been having difficulties with this teacher throughout the entire school year. Although I do agree that you do have every right to comment - we would appreciate it if you would show some respect for these parents since, as you point out, you don't know anything about this teacher.

However, you being the subject matter expert that you are regarding the "Three before Me Rule", I would assume that you feel that it is appropriate for a teacher to go over a mathematical principle or topic once and then have her sixth grade students, that are struggling to learn a new concept, have as their only recourse to review their notes (that they just took but yet may not have fully understood)and then have to approach another student as their last recourse before they can approach a teacher that will be aggravated that the student had to come to her. The student is then tested over foundational mathematical principles they had to learn from another student. Well, my only thought at this point is I sure am glad that I didn't have you (the illiterate idiot) as a classmate in my 6th grade math class.

I assume that you agree with a teacher who tells her students that they must abide by the "Three before Me Rule" and then disciplines a child for talking when that child is trying to assist another student with a math problem they cannot understand and are afraid to ask the teacher. You will probably take great satisfaction in knowing that we have taken your advice on this one - we are not allowing our child to assist other classmates in their class in fear they will be disciplined for talking. I think it is a shame that a teacher would discipline a child from following her own rules. Furthermore, this action is considered "Bullying" in most schools.

I suppose that you would think it an acceptable practice for Ms. Mcphail to complete a disciplinary detention slip for each of her students during the first week of the school year and then tell her students (after introducing herself to the students) that each of them have a detention slip filled out in their name and all that is needed is for them to give her a reason to fill in the offense before they will receive the disciplinary action - that's a great intimidation free learning environment to establish the first week of the school year.

I assume that you would also think it perfectly acceptable for a teacher to totally ignore a concerned parent's request to talk with her about their child's academic performance for over four weeks after a parent sends her multiple hand written notes and emails to meet/speak with her as soon as possible.

Again, I think the parents that are sharing their comments, concerns and questions in this forum deserve your respect as they are deeply concerned about their children and are very involved in their school. Providing comments on an issue that you yourself admit that you know nothing about, amounts to nothing more than hot air from an "Illiterate Idiot".
To concerned idiot

Crossville, TN

#9 Mar 4, 2012
Concerned Parent wrote:
I don't think that your comments show very much respect for, nor are they very considerate
I'm glad you are smart enough to pick up on that. Your previous comments made me wonder.
Concerned Parent wrote:
we would appreciate it if you would show some respect for these parents since, as you point out, you don't know anything about this teacher.
I would appreciate it if you would teach your kid some respect. I went to school with people who griped and complained like you. They had a poor attitude and generally kept the teacher busy with stupid remarks and other foolish behavior taking away from those of us who actually tried to learn. They then blamed all of their problems on others.
Concerned Parent wrote:
However, you being the subject matter expert that you are regarding the "Three before Me Rule", I would assume that you feel that it is appropriate for a teacher to go over a mathematical principle or topic once and then have her sixth grade students, that are struggling to learn a new concept, have as their only recourse to review their notes (that they just took but yet may not have fully understood)and then have to approach another student as their last recourse before they can approach a teacher that will be aggravated that the student had to come to her. The student is then tested over foundational mathematical principles they had to learn from another student. Well, my only thought at this point is I sure am glad that I didn't have you (the illiterate idiot) as a classmate in my 6th grade math class.
Unless something has changed then there is very little being taught in 6th grade that wasn't already taught in the 5th grade, not to mention that most math is foundational. Math builds on things you have learned in the past, so if a student pays attention then most math is pretty easy to stay up on things. Of course I doubt that any teacher only goes over something once. As for being glad I wasn't in your 6th grade class, well I am too. You would probably have been one of those who wouldn't shut up and then complained about the teacher.
Concerned Parent wrote:
I assume that you agree with a teacher who tells her students that they must abide by the "Three before Me Rule" and then disciplines a child for talking when that child is trying to assist another student with a math problem they cannot understand and are afraid to ask the teacher.
So you are changing your story? Above you said the teacher expected them to teach each other. Typical.
Concerned Parent wrote:
I suppose that you would think it an acceptable practice for Ms. Mcphail to complete a disciplinary detention slip for each of her students during the first week of the school year
I think that if you don't act like a fool and give the teacher a reason to finish filling the detention slip out then you won't have a problem. Of course from the sound of your comments your child probably should be worried.
Concerned Parent wrote:
I assume that you would also think it perfectly acceptable for a teacher to totally ignore a parent's request to talk with her
I think after talking to you on here I can totally understand a teacher ignoring you, and I wouldn't blame them a bit.
Concerned Parent wrote:
Again, I think the parents that are sharing their comments, concerns and questions in this forum deserve your respect
Respect is earned, not deserved. You don't deserve anything except what you earn, and the only thing you have earned on here is my opinion that you are a part of the problem. Kids today feel that they are entitled, and it is obviously coming from parents like you.
Concerned Homestead Mom

Crossville, TN

#10 Mar 5, 2012
This is for "Illiterate Idiots" who has now changed the name to "Concerned Idiot". I also have a child in Ms. McPhail's class this year and everything the Concerned Parent said about Ms. McPhail is true. I think your comments are rude and it is obvious you are just an agitator. If you do not have a child in her class, and I assume that you do not since you said you do not know anything about this teacher, then your comments mean absolutely nothing. Please keep your ugliness to yourself and mind your own business. We have a real problem with this teacher and we do not need immature comments from an Idiot.
To concerned idiot no2

Crossville, TN

#11 Mar 5, 2012
Concerned Homestead Mom wrote:
This is for "Illiterate Idiots" who has now changed the name to "Concerned Idiot". I also have a child in Ms. McPhail's class this year and everything the Concerned Parent said about Ms. McPhail is true. I think your comments are rude and it is obvious you are just an agitator. If you do not have a child in her class, and I assume that you do not since you said you do not know anything about this teacher, then your comments mean absolutely nothing. Please keep your ugliness to yourself and mind your own business. We have a real problem with this teacher and we do not need immature comments from an Idiot.
I am just tired of listening to idiots whine and cry about things that are part of life. I went to school with idiots like that and have seen how they have turned out. Mostly they are complete failures. The few that are not complete failures are impossible to deal with because they complain about everything, and it is always someone else's fault. Teach your child to shut up, pay attention, and work hard, and they will probably be ok, keep whining and they will end up as a whiner too.
Concerned Parent

Crossville, TN

#12 Mar 5, 2012
To the person who has now changed his name to "concerned idiot"

As I have stated several times before, you don’t know me or my child, but you continue to make false accusations about those that you don’t know. My child is very respectful and has always received nothing but praises from other teachers concerning behavior and respect for others. I haven’t had any problems with any of the other teachers that my child has had over the years at Homestead Elementary. After seven years of school involvement this is the first time that we have experienced problems with a teacher. As a matter of fact, I wish that I could take a page or two just to praise some of the teachers in this school that have worked very hard and have sacrificed for all of our children.

At the beginning of the school year we didn’t know this teacher, but when we first tried to communicate with her, she ignored our notes and letters to her for over four weeks. Every other teacher that we have ever tried to communicate with at Homestead Elementary has always responded to us within a couple of days. We would then discuss our concerns and move on with a very good solution and mutual respect and honor for each other. Again, we have only experienced problems with one teacher in seven years.

Most of the children in the sixth grade work very hard for their grades in all of their classes. I have spoken to several parents with children that have been on the A or A/B Honor Roles every year and are now very discouraged and feel intimidated by their teacher. These children don’t need to be intimidated or “Bullied” with frivolous detention and disciplinary slips that are handed out without warrant. Now, before you jump up and call them foolish, disrespectful and illiterate idiots, I want to remind you again that I know many of them personally and they are very intelligent, respectful children with parents that have always taught them to be courteous and respectful.

In your last post to me you defined respect as “something earned, not deserved”. As I thought about that I realized that this statement may be the sum total of why you have some very uneducated and uninformed opinions about the parents and students of this class. You see, I was raised in Tennessee where people always show respect for others until they give you reason or demonstrate, as you have, that they can’t be respected. Students in this class graduated from the fifth grade (something they earned) and they deserve the respect of a teacher until they demonstrate in a substantive way that that respect is in jeopardy. As for children today feeling like they are entitled to something they don’t earn, I tend to agree that if a child is raised with an entitlement mindset they too will have that same mindset. However, this is not the case here. My children have to earn everything that they receive – our house works on the old fashion values system. My children have always been taught that if people don't earn their keep, they don't eat.

You see, when you entered your first comment and insinuated that all of the parents of children on this forum where “illiterate idiots”(without even getting to know us or taking the time to understand our concerns) you showed all of us that you had no respect for the parents and students of this school. I don’t know where you went to school, or who is responsible for your education on “Respect” for others, but I am pretty sure that it wasn’t in Tennessee. Let me be the first to invite you to take that same highway back to where ever it was that you first acquired your bad attitude and disrespect for others.
To comcerned idiot parent

Crossville, TN

#13 Mar 5, 2012
Let me explain this to you in very small words that you might understand.

Your story is a sad pathetic tale of a family lost in a mind fog of their own making. You seem confused, and I will attempt to clear this up for you. Rather than complaining about how bad you think this teacher is, use it as a teachable moment to highlight the fact that we are ultimately responsible for our own learning. Suck it up! Pay attention, dig in and figure it out. That strategy leads to success. Whine in one hand, spit in the other, and see which fills up first. Your whining is a true losing propsition.

BTW my bad attitude comes from years working with people with the attitude you have exhibited above,. I have no patience for that thype of stupid. THat mentality ends up getting in the way of those who can actually accomplish big things. Just something for you to think about.
Concerned Parent

Crossville, TN

#14 Mar 6, 2012
OK, I would like to hear from others about this issue. Is anyone else having problems with this teacher? We appreciate all input from those parents that are familiar with this teacher.
concernedmom

Shelby, NC

#15 Mar 6, 2012
Concerned Parent wrote:
OK, I would like to hear from others about this issue. Is anyone else having problems with this teacher? We appreciate all input from those parents that are familiar with this teacher.
we have lots of issues with this teacher. She is unorganized and chaotic. After questioning our child's grades over and over she admits she neglects to keep grades. We have had 3 conferences so far. Why is she never corrected. Ms perry defends her. I am not happy with this teacher. All parents with issues should come together and maybe something would be done.
concernedmom

Shelby, NC

#16 Mar 6, 2012
Concerned Parent wrote:
We have a child in her class this year and we are having multiple problems with Ms. Mcphail. To name a few reoccuring problems: 1)teacher misplaces homework constantly, 2)threatens and intimidates students. 3)Will not communicate with parents - will not answer email or messages sent to her. 4)Expects students to teach each other and gets upset if student asks her for help.
we have the SAME problems. And no matter how many times we have conferences NOTHING changes.
wow

Crossville, TN

#17 Mar 7, 2012
look up the board policy on this, you can find it on the cumberland county schools website. meet with teacher/meet with principal/ meet with central office/by certain dates or time frames. Have everything wrote up in a letter and send copies to teacher, principal, dos, and boe members. The more who do this the better your chance of getting something done, but if you cant make it threw all of that nothing will be done. just the way it is.
Homestead Parent

United States

#18 Mar 7, 2012
After recently finding this forum and reading the posts I was shocked to find out that others are having the same problems that I am having. What really concerns me is that my child has been telling me many of these things and I wasn't.sure what to think. The biggest problem seems to be that Ms. Mcphail is so rude and will not take time to help my daughter. She says that when she trys to follow the 3 before me rule that Ms Mcphail is hateful to her or just ignores her when she try's to get help. Something needs to be done about this. My child is very discouraged and afraid of Ms. McPhail. The 3 before me rule should be called the 3 and not me rule.
meg

Crossville, TN

#19 Mar 7, 2012
Has anyone gone above this teachers head with their concerns or are people just complaining on here? Follow up the chain of command until you get some action. It might help if you go as a group, instead of 1 at a time. Good luck. My kids are grown now, but there isn't much worse than having to deal with a bad teacher.
omni

United States

#20 Mar 7, 2012
concernedmom wrote:
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we have the SAME problems. And no matter how many times we have conferences NOTHING changes.
If you want results, stop talking to the school and file a formal complaint with the school board. That is the only way things will change.

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