Pow Wow... Where were the schools?

Pow Wow... Where were the schools?

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Native Americans

Crossville, TN

#1 Sep 30, 2008
The Native American Turtle Clan Assoc. hosted the 2nd annual POW WOW on the Plateau this past weekend. Having moved the date from June to September was hopefully going to be a chance to include more school age children in having a chance for some real hands on participation in learning Native American Culture. However due to the budget insanity and lack of interest from the schools, we had ZERO public schools in our county show up. A HOME SCHOOL group was there and enjoyed the festivities.
The School board was informed of the change of dates and the schools were sent the info so they could plan an outing for the kids. Sadly, many teachers knew nothing about it, nor did some display any interest in coming to the event.
We have been providing in the past programs in the schools for the kids( free gratis) and thought that like many other areas, a one day event for the kids was the way to go. A charge of $1 per child was reasonable and our vendors were loaded up with inexpensive trinkets and gifts for the kids to purchase. We had special programs lined up, dancers from all over, 2 tipis, story tellers and demos all set to go.
We are like most folks in this area, we have to work, and taking time off from our jobs to travel to each school to do our programs without pay hurts. We don't get casino monies or a tax break because we are Native Americans.
What we wanted to do was to further share our culture and teach this generation of children REAL living history. We even suggested that the teachers charge 3.00 per child-(how reasonable is that?)1.00 for the gate -2.00 for the bus fuel.
Now we are hearing the the teachers are doing a field trip costing parents $10.00 each to go to a corn maze??????
It saddens many of us that our schools lacked interest or whatever to bring those precious kids to learn something real and alive about the heritage of Native peoples in our county.
More than likely we will not do this next year, nor will we do any in school programs, due to tight budgets. We are not a big rich government funded, grant receiving organization. We are regular people with lives like any body else- the difference being we are Native Americans with a long history in this country. We want to share and teach, especially the youth, preserving what is left of our traditions.
We are a loving and helpful race of people- just ask the starving worn out Pilgrims who landed on our shores........
October in NATIVE AMERICAN month!

Since: Sep 08

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#2 Oct 2, 2008
<<<Now we are hearing the the teachers are doing a field trip costing parents $10.00 each to go to a corn maze??????>>>>

Now that is sad.

Although I do not live in the area, I have been to a couple of pow wows. I would have gone if it was happening when I was there. I hope you don't change your mind about continuing with in annually.
Native Pride

Charlotte, NC

#3 Oct 3, 2008
I guess it just goes to show you where their values lie. It's much easier to perpetuate myths and lies from the history books about our people, than to give children an opportunity to experience the truth. These teachers still teach that the Cherokee were "given" land in Oklahoma, and show beautiful paintings of a dignified "walk" to that area. With teaching that, a field trip to a stupid corn maze fits hand in hand.
Native Pride

Charlotte, NC

#4 Oct 3, 2008
Not sure why that says Pikeville. I live in Crossville, TN.
Kali

Lebanon, TN

#5 Oct 4, 2008
wltg wrote:
<<<Now we are hearing the the teachers are doing a field trip costing parents $10.00 each to go to a corn maze??????>>>>
Now that is sad.
Although I do not live in the area, I have been to a couple of pow wows. I would have gone if it was happening when I was there. I hope you don't change your mind about continuing with in annually.
I hope you reconsider.My grandchildren wait for this every fall. It's great to have such a fun-filed experience in our own county. The cost is very reasonable. Lots of area kids and families enjoy the time they can can spend together. Thank you for providing a safe place for the community. FUN FUN FUN!!!!

Since: Sep 08

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#6 Oct 5, 2008
Kali...

With all due respect, with all the hollering in CC about the education system I really don't think a CORN MAZE is an educational outing. You basically summed it up with << Lots of area kids and families enjoy the time they can can spend together.>> that is and what a corn maze should be FAMILY not an educational outing. Indian heritage and customs are more of an educational ouoting. I would bet that children know more about muslum religion practices than the peaceful Indian heritage and customs. Keep family fun, just that and education that.
cindy from crossville

Shelbyville, TN

#7 Oct 5, 2008
The corn maze....hmmmmm yeah real educational...how to walk through a maze...hmmmm they seriously should teach that to everyone....Pow Wow native americab history...do you know where your roots are????the educational department would charge you and say "your roots are probably in the corn maze".....you know what i bet there are so many of you who dont even know that you have a history..i bet even most of you are scared to stand up or stand out for who you are....bhut hey maybe the teachers could educate you while you walk through the corn maze..not like us that actually go and do the pow wows..i personally have learned many things about where i come from..many different races blood lines and there is so much to do and learn and see the really cool thing is Hey----ITS NOT A CORN MAZE!!!!
cindy from crossville

Shelbyville, TN

#8 Oct 5, 2008
what do you mean????the teachers get docked for bringing the kids to learn about history????do they get docked for the freakin corn maze?????
Jacob from crossville

Cookeville, TN

#9 Oct 5, 2008
yeah that goes to show how the school system cares about helping people that, they more than likely know and are friends with and not showing support for real educational learning.
Native American

Crossville, TN

#10 Oct 5, 2008
We will be holding the Pow Wow again, just will not have a kids day due to lack of support.
copper

Lebanon, TN

#11 Oct 6, 2008
cindy from crossville wrote:
The corn maze....hmmmmm yeah real educational...how to walk through a maze...hmmmm they seriously should teach that to everyone....Pow Wow native americab history...do you know where your roots are????the educational department would charge you and say "your roots are probably in the corn maze".....you know what i bet there are so many of you who dont even know that you have a history..i bet even most of you are scared to stand up or stand out for who you are....bhut hey maybe the teachers could educate you while you walk through the corn maze..not like us that actually go and do the pow wows..i personally have learned many things about where i come from..many different races blood lines and there is so much to do and learn and see the really cool thing is Hey----ITS NOT A CORN MAZE!!!!
You need to get a life and learn to have fun!!!! You old stiffy!!!! What do YOU call the corn maze?

Since: Sep 08

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#12 Oct 6, 2008
Good to hear Native American.

Copper, I really don't think Cindy stated that she wasn't fun, nor did I. I plan on visiting the corn maze this year. I think what Cindy was stating that it should not be an educational field trip. Perhaps, if the kids were taught how to read a map and follow a map it would be a little different. Or perhaps to use a compass and have to plot what direction they were going at a certain part of the maze. Oh that's right, maps and compasses aren't needed anymore because of the computer and GPS.
concerned and confused

Lebanon, TN

#13 Oct 6, 2008
wltg wrote:
Good to hear Native American.
Copper, I really don't think Cindy stated that she wasn't fun, nor did I. I plan on visiting the corn maze this year. I think what Cindy was stating that it should not be an educational field trip. Perhaps, if the kids were taught how to read a map and follow a map it would be a little different. Or perhaps to use a compass and have to plot what direction they were going at a certain part of the maze. Oh that's right, maps and compasses aren't needed anymore because of the computer and GPS.
Good post. I apologize for the harshness of my post. BUT, kids and adults love going to the corn maze and the hay-ride. Can't the kids have 1 fun day out of the classroom? Especially the younger children. Thanks to computers and gps, you are right, nobody uses a compass anymore. You have to use your brain when going through the maze or you will keep going in circles. There has to be be some fun in learning. These kids get such enjoyment out of going to the corn maze with their fellow classmates every fall. It's also a great place for family time and fun!
copper

Lebanon, TN

#14 Oct 6, 2008
This was posted by copper. Have to share my p.c. didn't check the name before I posted. Anyway, This is cooper responding to wltg.
Native American

Crossville, TN

#15 Oct 6, 2008
The original post was not about the kids Not having fun at the corn maze, but about lack of priorities in teaching our kids.
The Native AMerican Turtle Clan Assoc. wanted to have the school kids come to have FUN as well as learn a little REAL information about CULTURE & TRADITION from REAL Native Americans, not the history book or Hollywood version, normally from a white perspective. Somehow this got turned into kids not getting to have enough fun.
Please reread the top post and try to understand OUR reasoning on this matter. We completely changed our dates so we could have a kids day, which meant field trips!! FUN for the kids- EDUCATION NOT taught in school books.
We have lives like I stated before and we worked very hard to make sure this would be a success. This has been in the works since LAST YEAR. Of course we had no idea the budget fiasco would occur and it ultimatly hurt our school program ( and the kids)
But when we hear of teachers planning an outing to a corn maze after blowing us off... that makes one wonder about what the schools and teachers think about education of the kids. CORN MAZE or LIVING TRADITION & CULTURE???
I guess it's better to make paper headbands and do a chapter about the pilgrims in November than to interact with Native Americans and learn TRUTH from them. After all , the corn maze is FUN and teachers won't have to explain about the Trail of Tears or the removal of our People to reservations and the genocide of millions for the past 500 years.
Yeah- the corn maze is a way better choice for our kids.No guilt, no re-writing history, just fun........
peeps

Lebanon, TN

#16 Oct 6, 2008
Native American wrote:
The original post was not about the kids Not having fun at the corn maze, but about lack of priorities in teaching our kids.
The Native AMerican Turtle Clan Assoc. wanted to have the school kids come to have FUN as well as learn a little REAL information about CULTURE & TRADITION from REAL Native Americans, not the history book or Hollywood version, normally from a white perspective. Somehow this got turned into kids not getting to have enough fun.
Please reread the top post and try to understand OUR reasoning on this matter. We completely changed our dates so we could have a kids day, which meant field trips!! FUN for the kids- EDUCATION NOT taught in school books.
We have lives like I stated before and we worked very hard to make sure this would be a success. This has been in the works since LAST YEAR. Of course we had no idea the budget fiasco would occur and it ultimatly hurt our school program ( and the kids)
But when we hear of teachers planning an outing to a corn maze after blowing us off... that makes one wonder about what the schools and teachers think about education of the kids. CORN MAZE or LIVING TRADITION & CULTURE???
I guess it's better to make paper headbands and do a chapter about the pilgrims in November than to interact with Native Americans and learn TRUTH from them. After all , the corn maze is FUN and teachers won't have to explain about the Trail of Tears or the removal of our People to reservations and the genocide of millions for the past 500 years.
Yeah- the corn maze is a way better choice for our kids.No guilt, no re-writing history, just fun........
Sound like fun 2 me. The trail of tears is booooooooring.
cindy from crossville

Lenoir City, TN

#17 Oct 7, 2008
Actually,Cindy does have fun!!!Thanks for caring lol.But for your information,the corn maze is actually pretty cool.I have been there and guess what???I was there with my children..There are cool things out there and yes they do learn direction.My conflict lies here tho'....The Natives do a Pow Wow which are both learning and fun...OK (WITH ME SO FAR??)The schools did not permit the teachers to take the children there on (kids day) which the cost was $1 ok....They did agree in the beginning....The day of-the schools told the Native American Pow Wow Director that they decided NOT to let the teachers take the children because of the budget crisis here in Crossville-ok??? So then they decided to tell the teachers that if they took the children to the POW WOW that the teachers would lose a days pay.....OK?? Then the NativeAmerican Pow Wow Director learned that the schools are allowing the teachers(with pay) to TAKE THE CHILDREN TO THE CORN MAZE AT $10 each.....ok We were only trying to help the families and the children ok...No biggie...You are right the children do need to have fun-but budget wise????What was the point in trying to dock teachers pay for a $1 child???
copper

Lebanon, TN

#18 Oct 7, 2008
cindy from crossville wrote:
The corn maze....hmmmmm yeah real educational...how to walk through a maze...hmmmm they seriously should teach that to everyone....Pow Wow native americab history...do you know where your roots are????the educational department would charge you and say "your roots are probably in the corn maze".....you know what i bet there are so many of you who dont even know that you have a history..i bet even most of you are scared to stand up or stand out for who you are....bhut hey maybe the teachers could educate you while you walk through the corn maze..not like us that actually go and do the pow wows..i personally have learned many things about where i come from..many different races blood lines and there is so much to do and learn and see the really cool thing is Hey----ITS NOT A CORN MAZE!!!!
Excellent post!!!!!!
NDN

Crossville, TN

#19 Oct 7, 2008
Sound like fun 2 me. The trail of tears is booooooooring.

I hope that "peeps" was kidding. Please do not make light of what thousands of people had to endure. It's not that far back in history.... and more than likely YOUR ancestors may have been on that forced removal.
Jacob from crossville

Cookeville, TN

#20 Oct 7, 2008
Well I am curtainly doing my part! I have had it with what they try to make us learn instead if giving our own voice " We are Citizens too!!! ". I have a government class and passing with a 97 A because my teacher makes us think out lot and I have an Adult living class where they tell us how too live like an adult Im failing so you tell me... Freedom this way wont be freedom for long!!!!! Thanks Mary for the pow wows I learn!!!!

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