Tim

Saginaw, MI

#242 Jul 20, 2008
This "Superior Table" and the "big investment venture" are so elusive but yet I feel like some clues might be right there in Mardi's book. "Joyce Shores", a secretary who was going to be working with Robison supposedly never existed. The name Joyce appears with Robison's as well as Scolaro on the "Superior Table" memo. "Roebert" is also one of the names on this memo. Could the "Superior Table" be Mr. Robison's and Mr. Scolaro's involvement with some shady bigwigs in Detroit? Who knows, the hundred million that Robison was talking about could have been money owed? This explains the brutality. The m**ia was big in Detroit in those days. They are good at covering things up. Hoffa anyone? Did Scolaro have it in him to do the whole family this way and smart enough to provide so little evidence and turn the heat up before he left? I believe he has a lot to do with the murders, whether he just helped with the finding of the isolated location, or was there to help kill, or there to kill alone, there was something else involved: the m**ia. Could this "Roebert" have gone up there for intentions other than relaxation and Shirley Robison's pasties?
Tim

Saginaw, MI

#243 Jul 20, 2008
Ps... What was Scolaro's shoe size? I'm wondering about the footprint. I don't know if Robison was proved to have written the "Will be back" note or not. But, why would he write such a note when anyone who knows the family well enough would be kept in contact about where they are going or when they are leaving, returning, etc. Was the note for the neighbors or Monnie? Who?. Just seems like they wouldn't care to notify anyone when they "will be back".
KLH

Morgantown, WV

#244 Jul 21, 2008
Tim and Psychedelic Survivor,
Thanks for your comments! I do believe Scolaro was partially responsible, but I feel looking at the evidence that others were, too. It would be nice to see those others brought to justice.
It seems to me that Scolaro was the only one who could have set up the whole scenario/Roebert thing, since Scolaro was the one who was POC while Robison's were to be 'gone' to Kentucky and Florida. Scolaro should have been the one who would become concerned when he didn't hear from the Robisons for such a long time. Roebert must have been a fake or in on it, because he would have been concerned, too, if he really was supposed to take them on this trip. No Joyce, no Roebert, Scolaro makes someone else make a phone call to Robison on the night of June 24th, according to Mardi's book...seems to me like Roebert is a made up person, and Scolaro was setting it up so that the Robisons wouldn't be missed for a few weeks. So that makes me think he (or the murderers/thugs) might write a note like that to put on the window. To keep people away longer.
Grady

Lansing, MI

#245 Jul 21, 2008
I finished Mardi's book last night on our 4 hour drive south from Goodhart. Thanks Mardi for the VERY interesting book and signing it in GH last week. You are not only a great writer, but a great speaker also. Congratulations on a job well done.
For those of you wanting to see the empty and overgrown lot- Yes! You are trespassing on private property. Bob Seger may come out of his little Bliss cabin and scare you away. For the real thrill seekers- walk the dry creek bed of Devil's Elbow after dark without a torch.

Since: Jan 08

Traverse City, MI

#246 Jul 22, 2008
Today is the 40th anniversary of the discovery of the crime. A dark and sad day for many.

There's a story on the case in today's Detroit Free Press. The reporter, Ben Schmitt, was vacationing in Good Hart and just happened to come to the signing. He read the book and gave the paper a head's up on the anniversary.

Here's the link: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article... .
KLH

Morgantown, WV

#247 Jul 22, 2008
I am re-reading Mardi's book (very good; read quickly the first time with 5 kids around ;)). Anyone know if the footprint matched Scolaro? Maybe I missed that in the book the first time around...
Rick

Downey, CA

#248 Jul 23, 2008
Does anyone have any information on the Bliss cottages earlier in history before they were sold off to private owners? I believe it was called Krude Kraft Lodge. I'm thinking this would have been the 40's or 50's. Old Trail Inn was right up the road with it's big lodge, restaurant and cottages... I'm thinking Krude Kraft must have been something very similar, maybe even had a cafe. I'd be interested in knowing the story of this property before the Robisons and others bought up the cabins from Monnie Bliss.

Interesting side note (and perhaps Mardi writes of it in her book), I read somewhere that Robison had wanted to install in in-ground swimming pool on the property of his cabin and had approached Monnie Bliss asking him about the feasibility of doing so. Bliss was very much not in favor of the pool - and this supposedly became another thing he grumbled about when he spoke of the Robisons. Not sure of it's authenticity, just thought it was an interesting sidebar.
KLH

Morgantown, WV

#249 Jul 24, 2008
Rick,

Mardi mentions in her book the fact that Dick told someone (Dad, I believe) that the pool and other things would be built while they were on their trip. Now that's another really big mystery...if he told his Dad that a short time before they were to leave, why was no work ever done? That would have taken a lot of planning and prep, and somebody had to know WHAT Dick was planning to build, how, where, etc? Nobody seems to wonder why it wasn't happening...
psychedelic survivor

United States

#250 Jul 24, 2008
KLH wrote:
Tim and Psychedelic Survivor,
Thanks for your comments! I do believe Scolaro was partially responsible, but I feel looking at the evidence that others were, too. It would be nice to see those others brought to justice.
It seems to me that Scolaro was the only one who could have set up the whole scenario/Roebert thing, since Scolaro was the one who was POC while Robison's were to be 'gone' to Kentucky and Florida. Scolaro should have been the one who would become concerned when he didn't hear from the Robisons for such a long time. Roebert must have been a fake or in on it, because he would have been concerned, too, if he really was supposed to take them on this trip. No Joyce, no Roebert, Scolaro makes someone else make a phone call to Robison on the night of June 24th, according to Mardi's book...seems to me like Roebert is a made up person, and Scolaro was setting it up so that the Robisons wouldn't be missed for a few weeks. So that makes me think he (or the murderers/thugs) might write a note like that to put on the window. To keep people away longer.
KLH, there was a round "St. Christopher" type medallion found at the crime scene with the engraving "My chosen son - Roebert". Therefore either someone gave this to Mr. Robison or Robison had it made himself. Either way it's a hinky piece of evidence. The police made quite a fuss over it at the time. I remember it was mentioned repeatedly in newspaper articles and they implored the public to come forward to explain the medal's orogin, it's meaning, the odd spelling. I think they wrote at one point that no one in MI could be found with this spelling etc. So if Robison had it made for himself, well, that's pretty wacky. If someone else gave it to him there's a lot more to be found out - which is the Square One they were all at in 1968.
Good Hart Jack

Traverse City, MI

#251 Jul 24, 2008
The Krude Kraft Lodge is still there, beautifully restored. It remained in the Bliss family until fairly recently and since has had two owners. The Old Trail Inn is still there, much like it was in it's day.
Rick wrote:
Does anyone have any information on the Bliss cottages earlier in history before they were sold off to private owners? I believe it was called Krude Kraft Lodge. I'm thinking this would have been the 40's or 50's. Old Trail Inn was right up the road with it's big lodge, restaurant and cottages... I'm thinking Krude Kraft must have been something very similar, maybe even had a cafe. I'd be interested in knowing the story of this property before the Robisons and others bought up the cabins from Monnie Bliss.
Interesting side note (and perhaps Mardi writes of it in her book), I read somewhere that Robison had wanted to install in in-ground swimming pool on the property of his cabin and had approached Monnie Bliss asking him about the feasibility of doing so. Bliss was very much not in favor of the pool - and this supposedly became another thing he grumbled about when he spoke of the Robisons. Not sure of it's authenticity, just thought it was an interesting sidebar.
Good Hart Jack

Traverse City, MI

#252 Jul 24, 2008
I'll get a little more information. I believe at one time there may have been a gift shop ( Native baskets and so on) on the property. I never heard about a restaurant.
It was, I believe, Chauncy's home ( Monnie's Dad) I think What was the old black smith shop is still standing ( the door hardware that Marti mentions in the book)
The property is currently for sale.
Rick wrote:
Does anyone have any information on the Bliss cottages earlier in history before they were sold off to private owners? I believe it was called Krude Kraft Lodge. I'm thinking this would have been the 40's or 50's. Old Trail Inn was right up the road with it's big lodge, restaurant and cottages... I'm thinking Krude Kraft must have been something very similar, maybe even had a cafe. I'd be interested in knowing the story of this property before the Robisons and others bought up the cabins from Monnie Bliss.
Interesting side note (and perhaps Mardi writes of it in her book), I read somewhere that Robison had wanted to install in in-ground swimming pool on the property of his cabin and had approached Monnie Bliss asking him about the feasibility of doing so. Bliss was very much not in favor of the pool - and this supposedly became another thing he grumbled about when he spoke of the Robisons. Not sure of it's authenticity, just thought it was an interesting sidebar.
Tim

Saginaw, MI

#253 Jul 24, 2008
http://www.grahamre.com/details.cfm...
Thought I would share this since a few of us are talking about the Robison property. A popular real estate group has what appears to be the property for sale for quite cheap. Compared to all the other Good Hart listings on the same site, this is a steal. And for such ideal property? One has to wonder why this property and adjacent 3 lots has remained untouched since Summerset was razed.
Grady

United States

#254 Jul 24, 2008
Hey Good Hart Jack-- When did you move to Mancelona? Didn't the neighbor to the south buy the lots? Howard Hughes' name comes up in Mardi's book a few times... Do you think he could have been part of the big money for the airport ideas?
Roebert could have been a high member or mentor of Dicks from the Masons.
Rick

United States

#255 Jul 24, 2008
Tim wrote:
And for such ideal property? One has to wonder why this property and adjacent 3 lots has remained untouched since Summerset was razed.
I would be surprised if that lot is ever built on again.

I walked the grounds once about 35 years ago, and the foundation was still there, covered with moss, as was the underground well pump. I'm sure those are now long buried in undergrowth.
Christopher

Toledo, OH

#256 Jul 26, 2008
I don't quite understand why a disgruntled business associate (Scolaro) would bludgeon the daughter with a hammer and possibly sexually assault the wife/mother.
Same goes if it was a 'Mafia' hit due to money the father owed them.
Christopher

Toledo, OH

#257 Jul 26, 2008
Also, I was going through some old issues of the Toledo Blade newspaper from Aug. of '68 and there was an Associated Press story that contained information that the father spent some time both in San Francisco and at a hotel out by Metro Airport (Detroit) for several days, evidently without the knowledge of his wife or rest of the family.

Has anyone heard about these details before?
psychedelic survivor

United States

#258 Jul 26, 2008
Christopher wrote:
Also, I was going through some old issues of the Toledo Blade newspaper from Aug. of '68 and there was an Associated Press story that contained information that the father spent some time both in San Francisco and at a hotel out by Metro Airport (Detroit) for several days, evidently without the knowledge of his wife or rest of the family.
Has anyone heard about these details before?
Yes, look up Al Koski's articles and also the more recent ones from the newspapers printed around June 22 of this year. It is known that Roberson booked himself into several hotel rooms without receiving visitors or going out. Nobody knows what he was doing. Too late now, but phone records should have been checked. Good thing you are looking at out of state papers. They seem to have little details that are different. I never heard that he went to San Fran. You should sit down and read this entire post. It's revealing and it doesn't really take too long.
psychedelic survivor

United States

#259 Jul 26, 2008
I just mispelled the family name in the prvious post. Of course, I meant to write Robison. Thanks
Barbara

Royal Oak, MI

#260 Jul 27, 2008
Hi Mardi, Finished your book and have passed it on to my sister - it was excellent! I sent you an e-mail heads up on a few typos per your request. Where can I find a list of your book signing schedule? Anything coming up in Oakland County? Congratulations on a job well done.
Barbara

Royal Oak, MI

#261 Jul 31, 2008
Wow, long silence - everyone must be reading the book!

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