Lewis, RR officials hold closed sessi...

Lewis, RR officials hold closed session on possible rail purchase

There are 28 comments on the Watertown Daily Times story from Jan 20, 2012, titled Lewis, RR officials hold closed session on possible rail purchase. In it, Watertown Daily Times reports that:

The chairman of the Lewis County Legislature is optimistic about bringing a long-discussed rails-to-trails plan to fruition following a closed-door session with railroad officials Thursday.

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TAXPAYER

Gloversville, NY

#1 Jan 22, 2012
As sent to me in a message, the Lewis County Legislators are trying once again to put a trail through the village of lowville. Please read the above letter from Newzjunkie. How many times do they think they can pull the wool over the eyes of the people who are going to pay for this? No way in heck are we not going to pay something for this. We need to all attend the county meetings and voice our opinions of a trail through the village in order to boost business for snowmobile and atv use. That has been the agenda from the very beginning when it was before the village of Lowville Board and turned down. Then the Legislators voted it down after the public voiced their opinions. Now all of a sudden out of the wood work, they start talking with the owners of the railroad again. Please stand up for the people of this county who are sick and tired of paying for playgrounds for adults. Never was it going to be intended for a walking trail. In the fine print , it was stated depending on weather conditions, motorized vehicles would be allowed on this trail. How many times can they tell a lie and then tell the story a different way the next time? Really sick of these idiots but the ones that keep getting re=elected come from towns with a small population or have no one running against them. I think it's time for everyone to speak up and be accounted for, not just the business owners who want to benefit. Poor guys will be out of business before the trail is open according to their whining that their was not enough snow this year to keep the business going. Bull crap, just another way around taxpayers knowing what is going on behind closed doors. Devert our attention to the poor businesses and their sorry azz owners who don't know what hardship is.
TAXPAYER

Gloversville, NY

#2 Jan 22, 2012
correction, this was in the Watertown times.
just sayin

AOL

#3 Jan 23, 2012
Hi Bruce.
wtf

Cheshire, CT

#4 Jan 23, 2012
I think it's a great idea we should put a trail right thru Bruce k's house them mayb he would stop bitching and start thinking about the business owners for once
just sayin

AOL

#5 Jan 23, 2012
"taxpayer" states that there are some who don't know what hardship is; so is he out to increase hardship, spread it to more people or just add variety to it? sounds like the fallen angel that USED to be in heaven, but now resides somewhere else and wants company. what a pity.
TAXPAYER

Gloversville, NY

#6 Jan 23, 2012
Well you are all wrong. I'm not Bruce just sayin and if you don't like the fact that someone else reads the newspaper, too bad. I don't want pity. I am the being a voice for many people in this county who own land and who pay taxes. When are the people going to be allowed to voice their opinions on something that will affect every taxpayer. If you don't believe this, have topix run a search and find out who I am. I will be voicing my opinion on this matter as long as there is discussion about buying a railroad bed and putting in a trail. Does the tressle pass inspection to put this trail through? If it's not safe, even a walking trail couldn't be put in. They have already allowed snowmobiles into the village to stewarts for gas etc. If it was a 24/7 gas station, the sleds would be running into the village 24/7. I don't think village residents would like that in their backyard when trying to sleep. Also motorized vehicles will be allowed. I guess we will see an increase in kids using the trail for their dirt bikes. Oh wait, there must be more that will be allowed on there too. People complain about the Amish buggies and horse poop in the county now. Well at least they are quiet and mind their own business. They do not drive drunk. So now they can walk up to Sunoco and grab a craft beer to go too. Oh the problems this will cause. Two killed this past weekend. Yep, lets give them every opportunity to hit every bar in Lewis county and endanger others while they are running day and night. When is it going to stop. All this talk of jobs being cut and services privatizing because the county wants to cut cost and this stupid azz idea is brought back up. I say save us some money and get rid of the dead weight we are paying for. What are they accomplishing? NOTHING>>>...just sayin.
carriage trade

AOL

#7 Jan 23, 2012
some people look at tourism and population expansion as a bad thing. personally I'm happy that even the promise of more people has encouraged Jeb's and Gary's to update and improve their quality, as well as Ridgeview Restaurant and the vineyards to be built, so that we local people may also have better choices and service. lots of local people also have wheelers and sleds that enjoy the trails as much as visitors. Remember a rising tide raises all ships. let's not let the few very vocal killjoys deprive the rest of us of a little enjoyment of life.
fartinator

Long Lake, NY

#8 Jan 23, 2012
you go "TAXPAYER"...
Barney

Syracuse, NY

#9 Jan 23, 2012
A trail through the village is a great idea. Then the carnaige on the hill will be in the village. Closer to the hospital for all the injuries.

Great weekend, trails they was in great shape.
Newz Flash

Syracuse, NY

#10 Jan 23, 2012
TAXPAYER wrote:
Well you are all wrong. I'm not Bruce just sayin and if you don't like the fact that someone else reads the newspaper, too bad. I don't want pity. I am the being a voice for many people in this county who own land and who pay taxes. When are the people going to be allowed to voice their opinions on something that will affect every taxpayer. If you don't believe this, have topix run a search and find out who I am. I will be voicing my opinion on this matter as long as there is discussion about buying a railroad bed and putting in a trail. Does the tressle pass inspection to put this trail through? If it's not safe, even a walking trail couldn't be put in. They have already allowed snowmobiles into the village to stewarts for gas etc. If it was a 24/7 gas station, the sleds would be running into the village 24/7. I don't think village residents would like that in their backyard when trying to sleep. Also motorized vehicles will be allowed. I guess we will see an increase in kids using the trail for their dirt bikes. Oh wait, there must be more that will be allowed on there too. People complain about the Amish buggies and horse poop in the county now. Well at least they are quiet and mind their own business. They do not drive drunk. So now they can walk up to Sunoco and grab a craft beer to go too.
Its interesting that you point out that you read the article. Perhaps my reading comprehension has slipped in recent years, but what I read stated that the Village portion of the tracks was off the table.

"With the loss of the federal grant, the village trail is no longer under consideration, Mr. Bush said."

Just sayin'
yeahyeah

Long Lake, NY

#11 Jan 23, 2012
just sayin'...they said the WALKING TRAIL is off the table. do you really trust these guys and there are landowners outside of town, too.

just ssyin'
read the article

Lowville, NY

#12 Jan 23, 2012
Newz Flash gave a direct quote. It doesn't say WALKING TRAIL, it says "the village trail is no longer a under consideration".

What they're attempting to acquire is the track from Lowville to Carthage and Lowville to Croghan, NOT WHAT IS INSIDE OF THE VILLAGE.
TAXPAYER

Gloversville, NY

#13 Jan 23, 2012
Well apparantly certain legislators don't know everything that was talked about behind closed doors in executive session. It was sent to me that they want the trail to go all the way to Kraft. Guess we'll have to see what the rest of the legislators think of this "Great New Idea".
TAXPAYER

Gloversville, NY

#14 Jan 23, 2012
What about the expense of putting the railroad back in places it's been removed? Who is paying for that? Who is going to pay for the inspection of tressles that may not be stable? There will be hidden cost that the taxpayers won't know about by listening to the Chairman of the Board or other people in the County employment who are persistent in pursuing what has been turned down already.
Newz Flash

Syracuse, NY

#15 Jan 24, 2012
TAXPAYER wrote:
Well apparantly certain legislators don't know everything that was talked about behind closed doors in executive session. It was sent to me that they want the trail to go all the way to Kraft. Guess we'll have to see what the rest of the legislators think of this "Great New Idea".
So you are more informed about what was said at a meeting than a first hand source? Was the person that "sent" this to you also a first hand source... are you continuing to spread gossip and fodder.
yeahyeah

Caroga Lake, NY

#16 Jan 24, 2012
the trail would be purchased all the way to Kraft. suggest "Newz Flash" read the article. comments about the trail in the village were in the context of the walking trail. if you think these guys don't want a trail that goes through town, then I've got a railroad to sell you...oh yeah, you've already got one.
Newz Flash

Syracuse, NY

#17 Jan 24, 2012
Show me once in this article where the name "Kraft" was used or where it indicated that this would include tracks within the village.

"LOWVILLE — The chairman of the Lewis County Legislature is optimistic about bringing a long-discussed rails-to-trails plan to fruition following a closed-door session with railroad officials Thursday.

“I thought it went well,” said Chairman Jack T. Bush, R-Brantingham.“They want to work with us, and, hopefully, things will go.”

Following regular business at Thursday’s meeting of the Board of Legislators, lawmakers voted to enter executive session to meet with three representatives from Genesee Valley

Transportation, Batavia. The rationale given for the closed session was to discuss the proposed acquisition of property where publicity might substantially affect the value.

Members of the county Economic Development Department, Trail Coordinator Robert C. Diehl and Lewis County Industrial Development Agency Executive Director Richard H. Porter also were invited to attend. The IDA has deed ownership of the 10-mile Lowville and Beaver River Railroad line from Croghan to Lowville and the 17-mile Lowville Industrial Track from Lowville to West Carthage, but they are controlled by GVT.

County officials will need more questions answered before holding public discussions on the matter and reaching a decision, but that could happen by mid-March, Mr. Bush said.

The chairman, who at the board’s Jan. 3 reorganizational meeting cited the rail line purchase idea as one of a few issues he’d like to resolve this year, said some of his colleagues ultimately may oppose the idea. However, he said, he would support the project if it is covered by grant funding and permit money from users of the county’s all-terrain vehicle trail system.
“I don’t want to use any local taxpayer dollars for this,” Mr. Bush said.

The county was awarded a $450,000 state Environmental Protection Fund grant to assist with railroad acquisition in 2010. That funding reportedly is still available for use and would offer a good start toward the proposed purchase, Mr. Bush said.

The idea of buying the two unused rail lines for conversion into motorized and nonmotorized trails initially was proposed in 2007 by the Black River-St. Lawrence Resource Conservation and Development Council.

While that plan never materialized, county officials in 2010 floated a larger project that was to be funded partly through a $1.1 million federal grant procured by the village to develop a walking and biking trail.

After village trustees decided not to proceed with the project over cost overrun concerns, legislators discussed developing that trail in conjunction with multiuse trails on the two rail lines outside the village. However, they ultimately voted 6-4 against it, with opponents citing the lack of village support, uncertainty about who would maintain the village trail and lack of assurance that no county taxpayer money would be needed.

With the loss of the federal grant, the village trail is no longer under consideration, Mr. Bush said.

The 2010 proposal figured more than $1 million for acquisition of rail lines both inside and outside the village, but the removal of the pedestrian trail portion will make the project much more affordable, he said, declining to divulge specific figures.

The proposed rail acquisition also could allow the Railway Historical Society of Northern New York to operate a scenic railroad from its depot in Croghan, as it has discussed for many years."
yeahyeah

Newcomb, NY

#18 Jan 24, 2012
Guess you just don't know facts. the article said the "walking trail" is not included. The rail line to be purchased, however, includes the village. It gives the mileage totals and that includes the village.

Now, put down the Watertown Times and check facts...put down the rose colored glasses, too.

Since: Jan 11

New York, NY

#19 Jan 24, 2012
We already have a Walking trail!! Plenty of sidewalks to walk on throughout the Village. How many people do you see walking on them? Not very many. Don't waste the Tax payers $ on something so stupid. They should be spending their time bringing in new Manufacturing Companies so our Unemployment rate won't be 9%. Sometimes I feel Smarter than a Legislator!!
yeahyeah

Newcomb, NY

#20 Jan 24, 2012
hahaha...give yourself more credit. my dog is smarter than a Legislator. agree with you on where the emphasis should be.

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