No charges for board members

No charges for board members

There are 92 comments on the Hampton Roads Daily Press story from Feb 2, 2008, titled No charges for board members. In it, Hampton Roads Daily Press reports that:

Five county supervisors played "fast and loose" with public meetings laws, but Gloucester Commonwealth's Attorney Robert D. Hicks has said he won't pursue charges.

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No Surprise There

Gloucester, VA

#1 Feb 2, 2008
We'll theres a conflict of interest. Mr Hicks occupies an elected seat within Gloucester. No surprise that he didn't find any charges to file against is friends, cowokers and neighbors. Gotta love those Gloucester "Bubba" Laws.
Restless

Hayes, VA

#2 Feb 2, 2008
How do these people sleep at night? Altemus and Ressler need to be recalled definely. All of this is their doing.
IMPEACH

Norfolk, VA

#3 Feb 2, 2008
These Reps are taking their cues from dubya & dick. IMPEACH!!!!!!!!
Theresa A

Gloucester, VA

#4 Feb 2, 2008
I don't think Gloucester can get any more corrupt. These supervisors will be WATCHED LIKE HAWKS i'm sure. Good luck in turning Gloucester County around. I don't see how those Supervisors can even face eachother without SHAME!
Amy

Gloucester, VA

#5 Feb 2, 2008
I don't think there is anything that can take down the current BOS in Gloucester. It's an internal circle of elected officials, including their own Lawyer, Mr. Hicks that police themselves. They'er also friends, neighbors and share the same payroll. It's their little kingdom wher even the State of Virginia can't intervene. Heck, for all we know, the complete voting process is rigged, but there is no way an outside agency can step in.
Embarassed by BOS

Hayes, VA

#6 Feb 2, 2008
Well regardless of what the outcome is of this investigation, I feel their credibility & hope of any other elected position is gone forever! Their career and reputations are ruined! I am sure this County will turn their backs on them! The honorable thing for ALtemus, Ressler & Woodard to do is step down. I doubt they will do that considering their moral character! What a disgrace these people are!
Jaundiced Eye

Berryville, VA

#7 Feb 2, 2008
Amy wrote:
I don't think there is anything that can take down the current BOS in Gloucester. It's an internal circle of elected officials, including their own Lawyer, Mr. Hicks that police themselves. They'er also friends, neighbors and share the same payroll. It's their little kingdom wher even the State of Virginia can't intervene. Heck, for all we know, the complete voting process is rigged, but there is no way an outside agency can step in.
Amy, go back to bed. You're still dreaming.

I would suggest, tho, that when you finally wake up and have your coffee (if you're old enough to drink coffee) to dig out your old civics textbook and read the lesson on local government that you skipped in class.

In particular, find the part about the concsitutional officers, who are elected directly. Bob Hicks is the Commonwealth's Attorney. That means he was elected by Gloucester's voters to represent the Commonwealth of Virginia in prosecuting crimes that occur in Gloucester.

Hicks is also paid by the state, not the county.

So, when you say dumb things like Hicks being the board's lawyer, you betray your ignorance in a most unbecoming way.

BTW, the board had its own lawyer, County Attorney Danny Stuck, but they kicked him out and seized his computer. Then they decided to pay thousands of dollars (of our tax money) to hire other lawyers to tell them they didn't have to cooperate with Mr. Hicks in his investigation.

A fine kettle of fish, I'd say, but hardly as dire a predicament for the county as you have painted.

We can fire Altemus and Ressler ourselves, either by voting them out of office or by signing petitions and dragging them before a judge, who, after gagging at the abominable (I'll let you look that word up) conduct of these two disgraceful public servants, will most likely send them home without their titles anymore.

Maybe by then you'll have learned enough about how our local government works that you will want to give it a shot, and run for one of those vacant seats.
Straight Up

Gloucester, VA

#8 Feb 2, 2008
Enough!!

After reading this article most concerned citizens will more than likely come to one conclusion. We must have a recall.

For those in the know, could you please post a legitmate link or email if one is available of any recall effort.

I suggest everybody paste it on all further comments in any forum on related articles.

While the fire is hot, please attend Ms. Altemus' public meeting Monday and let your outrage be known.

On the lighter side:

Altemus Last name origin & meaning:

Altered spelling of German Altemoos, a topographic name meaning ‘old swamp’ or ‘old fen’, from Middle High German alt ‘old’+ mōs ‘swamp’,‘fen’.

http://genealogy.familyeducation.com/surname-...

Since: Jan 08

Hayes, VA

#9 Feb 2, 2008
Good Mornin' JE ~ You made my morning coffee taste a little sweeter.
I don't like the comments that people make out of opinion that are so far from the truth. That is how rumors begin.
Thanks for setting it straight!
Jaundiced Eye

Berryville, VA

#10 Feb 2, 2008
Straight Up wrote:
Altemus Last name origin & meaning:
Altered spelling of German Altemoos, a topographic name meaning ‘old swamp’ or ‘old fen’, from Middle High German alt ‘old’+ mōs ‘swamp’,‘fen’.
http://genealogy.familyeducation.com/surname-...
Cruel, but hilarious. Thanks for sharing.

I wonder what the translated result would be of "Old swamp full of gas?"
Taxpayer

AOL

#11 Feb 2, 2008
What is done is done. The culprits have been exposed. I applaud Hicks for saving us thousands of dollars which need to be spent elsewhere. The three stooges were so eager to get revenge on the others who had obviously excluded them in the past, that they got caught acting the same way. Woodward is acting like he is above everyone else. He will not be back in 4 years. Just keep going to the meetings and speak out. It is the only way to get things back on track until the next election. THe others started this several years ago. A pox on all their houses!
Jaundiced Eye

Berryville, VA

#12 Feb 2, 2008
XX XX XX Mommy wrote:
Good Mornin' JE ~ You made my morning coffee taste a little sweeter.
I don't like the comments that people make out of opinion that are so far from the truth. That is how rumors begin.
Thanks for setting it straight!
Glad to be of service, Mommy. On the bright side, at least fora like these give all sorts of people a chance to communicate and learn.

I hope I didn't hurt Amy's feelings, but I hadn't had my coffee yet, and her remarks got under my skin. I understand her frustration -- I think we all feel frustrated over this to a certain extent.

I guess what bugs me the most is the sense of futility that some people bring here, that we can't trust anybody in office and there's nothing we can do about it.

We don't live in a police state, and there are things we can do to improve the situation.

Corruption is inherent in human nature. We're all vulnerable to it. Understanding this, the framers of our Constitution took great pains to design the blueprint for a government that would enable us to keep corruption from gaining the upper hand and growing like a cancer into tyranny.

I would hope our high school civics classes are studying what's going on here with the Board of Supervisors, as it can give the students a real-life example, in microcosm, of how our republic has managed to endure over the centuries as a promising light to the rest of the world.
gloucester point voter

Gloucester, VA

#13 Feb 2, 2008
I believe that it is possible to point out errors that occur from time to time regarding understanding our local and state regulations and customs witout resorting to sarcasm and name calling.
Straight Up

Gloucester, VA

#14 Feb 2, 2008
gloucester point voter wrote:
I believe that it is possible to point out errors that occur from time to time regarding understanding our local and state regulations and customs witout resorting to sarcasm and name calling.
If you have been following this fiasco since the start, you would realize a lot of sarcasm is due. It helps relieve the frustration. Calling their actions 'errors' is not on target. It is better defined as unapologetic, deliberate disregarding of their duties as elected officials. Pushing personal agendas is not what they were elected to do.
Voter

Gloucester, VA

#15 Feb 2, 2008
Taxpayer, how do you figure "the others" excluded "them"? When a subject comes up and a vote is taken, the side with the smaller number loses. That's called democracy. Do you really think that there is evidence, much less proof, that the four were somehow able to exclude the three? You heard two of the three, Altemus and Ressler, speak--and speak and speak and speak, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. The four never got together beforehand and decided an issue. If they had, Altemus and Ressler would have screamed!!!! And only if they were complete fools would they have whispered, "Let's vote FOR this just because they are against it." Think! Please think!!!!
Formerly Just a Thought_

Gloucester, VA

#16 Feb 2, 2008
Jaundiced Eye wrote:
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Glad to be of service, Mommy. On the bright side, at least fora like these give all sorts of people a chance to communicate and learn.
I hope I didn't hurt Amy's feelings, but I hadn't had my coffee yet, and her remarks got under my skin. I understand her frustration -- I think we all feel frustrated over this to a certain extent.
I guess what bugs me the most is the sense of futility that some people bring here, that we can't trust anybody in office and there's nothing we can do about it.
We don't live in a police state, and there are things we can do to improve the situation.
Corruption is inherent in human nature. We're all vulnerable to it. Understanding this, the framers of our Constitution took great pains to design the blueprint for a government that would enable us to keep corruption from gaining the upper hand and growing like a cancer into tyranny.
I would hope our high school civics classes are studying what's going on here with the Board of Supervisors, as it can give the students a real-life example, in microcosm, of how our republic has managed to endure over the centuries as a promising light to the rest of the world.
JE...it brings a tear to my eye to hear such words as yours...anyone have a tissue?
But on a more serious note, we must be diligent in our efforts to thwart any further actions of the 4(Altemus, Ressler, Woodard, and Crewe). We all are forgetting CREWE.
supporter

Hayes, VA

#17 Feb 2, 2008
My my some of you sure have a short memory. All you you "gripers" forget about all the BS done by your ill faded heroes before Altemus took over as madame chair. I'm not saying what she did wasn't possibly sour grapes, but it is obvious there was nothing illegal done. If there was wouldn't your powerful and all mighty Hicks have done something about it? The only regret I have is that she apolojized at all. If any of you had any sence you would know that any large business would relieve you of your duties the minute you submit your resignation. You don't get to stay for another 90 days to do even more damage. AND your belongings are sent to. When the past BOS did these things, where were all of you then? If nothing else comes of it... she sure as hell woke up the politcal side of this county again...WAY TO GO MADAME CHAIR WOMAN!!!!!
Voter

Gloucester, VA

#18 Feb 2, 2008
Does anyone think Altemus and Ressler just now "turned mean"? Think they haven't been using their already sharp claws on the previous board? Maybe, just maybe, substituting two dishonorable men of their specific choosing for two honorable ones--and summarily dismissing administrator and attorney--was not the first underhanded thing those two women, plus their minions Della Garret, Phyllis Shepard, Howard Mowry, C. W. Davis, and the others now running the county had done. Just a thought.
IMPEACH

Norfolk, VA

#19 Feb 2, 2008
Jaundiced Eye:

The only thing taught in Civics or any other class is specific information pertaining to SOLs. Most teachers are afraid to mention politics or anything REAL at all in the classroom.

As for our republic being a promising light to the rest of the world...that's a joke, right? Surely you realize that the regime of the past 8 years has rendered that perception null and void. I will agree that what is happening with our BOS is a microcosm of how many of our elected politicians on the national level(both parties) behave.
Jaundiced Eye

Berryville, VA

#20 Feb 2, 2008
IMPEACH wrote:
Jaundiced Eye:
The only thing taught in Civics or any other class is specific information pertaining to SOLs. Most teachers are afraid to mention politics or anything REAL at all in the classroom.
As for our republic being a promising light to the rest of the world...that's a joke, right? Surely you realize that the regime of the past 8 years has rendered that perception null and void. I will agree that what is happening with our BOS is a microcosm of how many of our elected politicians on the national level(both parties) behave.
No joke, Impeach. I was talking about our system of government, not our present government. But if the Bush or any other U.S. administration were not held in relative check by a free press (including the Internet), an independent judiciary and a separately elected legislative branch, you would have to have real courage -- not just disenchantment and outrage -- to be publishing the kind of remarks you just did.

True tyrannies would hunt your down and lock you up and maybe throw away the key -- or worse.

You say, yeah, but that's what Bush is doing to anybody he thinks might be a terrorist. You would have a valid point. But Bush will be gone soon, unlike in Russia, where his counterpart is thumbing his nose at whatever constitution Russia claims to uphold in order to stay in power as long as he likes.

Try making sneering remarks in Russia about Putin, in public, and see how long you last on the street.

I do, however, share your disdain for the SOL tyranny that is stifling our public education. I'm afraid that's a political solution to pressure from taxpayers for more accountability in the schools. At least we're not requiring the children to memorize Bush's speeches.

I'm not saying our political system is ideal, but given what we both know of human frailty, I'm unaware of any better.

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