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There are 341 comments on the NBC 5 Chicago story from Mar 5, 2008, titled Court To Determine If Sleeping Child Locked In Car Was 'Endange.... In it, NBC 5 Chicago reports that:

A giving gesture meant to help those less fortunate than her turned into a nightmare for Treffly Coyne in December at a Wal-Mart in Crestwood.

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Indict Mayor Stranczek

Midlothian, IL

#82 Mar 7, 2008
What public relations firm did the 'J' family hire? Maybe you just can't comprehend that 94% of the readers of the SouthTown Star and the Sun Times say that the Crestwood Police went too far. The public stands firmly against the atrocities of Crestwood and their police.

Tampering by the 'J' family? You should talk about tampering since most of your post is inaccurate or outright lies.

When the public sees the facts the public becomes disgusted with the actions of the Crestwood Police and the inactions of Mayor Robert Stranczek. The supporters of this family have never received a penny for their contribution in opening peoples eyes to the crimes and corruption of the Crestwood Police.

In fact, it's the Crestwood Police who don't feel like laws apply to them.

Didn't a Crestwood Police Officer MOLEST TWO YOUNG BOYS?

Did a gun dissapear from the evidence lockup at the Crestwood Police station only to be found as the murder weapon on a Chicago homicide?

Did an employee of the Crestwood Police department who is not a police officer illegally pull over a civillian with a police car?

Did two Crestwood Police officers get fired after shooting up a residents house with paintball guns?

Who thinks they are above the law? The Crestwood Police and Mayor Robert Stranczek think they are above the law.
You have no clue

Tinley Park, IL

#83 Mar 7, 2008
Indict Mayor Stranczek wrote:
What public relations firm did the 'J' family hire? Maybe you just can't comprehend that 94% of the readers of the SouthTown Star and the Sun Times say that the Crestwood Police went too far. The public stands firmly against the atrocities of Crestwood and their police.
Tampering by the 'J' family? You should talk about tampering since most of your post is inaccurate or outright lies.
When the public sees the facts the public becomes disgusted with the actions of the Crestwood Police and the inactions of Mayor Robert Stranczek. The supporters of this family have never received a penny for their contribution in opening peoples eyes to the crimes and corruption of the Crestwood Police.
In fact, it's the Crestwood Police who don't feel like laws apply to them.
Didn't a Crestwood Police Officer MOLEST TWO YOUNG BOYS?
Did a gun dissapear from the evidence lockup at the Crestwood Police station only to be found as the murder weapon on a Chicago homicide?
Did an employee of the Crestwood Police department who is not a police officer illegally pull over a civillian with a police car?
Did two Crestwood Police officers get fired after shooting up a residents house with paintball guns?
Who thinks they are above the law? The Crestwood Police and Mayor Robert Stranczek think they are above the law.
You really should find out who the J family has hired. That is no lie.
Steeeerike 3

Macomb, IL

#84 Mar 7, 2008
You would think it would be easy for a bunch of people who are supposed to be 'investigators' to find out if the 'J' family really hired a public relations firm... but I forgot, we are talking about the people who took 3 weeks to investigate a four minute trip to the Salvation Army bucket by a mom and her kids... and event that was caught entirely on video.

I challenge you to come up with the name of any firm the 'J' family has hired or paid to sway public opinion.

The evidence on its own sways public opinion. 94% of the readers of two major newspapers said WHAT CRESTWOOD DID TO THAT FAMILY WAS WRONG. Didn't have to pay anyone to convince those people that the Crestwood Police were out of control on the night of December 8th.

NOW CRESTWOOD KNOWS THAT THEY WILL MOST LIKELY LOSE THIS CASE IN COURT.

So their supporters are crying 'foul' on the 'J' family... claiming that all of the publicity has been generated to sway the jury or to tamper with the case. Too bad Crestwood, all of the reporters asked you for your side of the story and you always offered no comment. You never even tried to defend Chief Sulikowski ar your own officers.

The family and their supporters have a right to publicly air their grievances with the way that the Crestwood Police and Mayor Robert Stranczek have treated them.

ITS CALLED FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

The family knew that no crime was commited at the Walmart that night. The family knew that the actions of the CSO Angel Brudnicki were MALICIOUS from the very beginning.

DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO SUFFER IN SILENCE FOR A QUARTER OF A YEAR WAITING FOR JUSTICE?

The village of Crestwood and their inept mayor would probably do well to hire a public relations firm. Maybe they could improve their public image.

94% OF THE SUNTIMES READERS THINK CRESTWOOD WAS WRONG.

Robert Stranczek and Tim Sulikowski have taken personal offense to Tim Janecyk demanding justice for his family. What nerve that a guy should have the indecency to shout to the world "these people have seriously wronged my family." So the maliciousness of Crestwood continues.

When Tim Janecyk spoke with Mayor Robert Stranczek on the phone in December, Mayor Stranczek said "I would like to make this go away." He knew it was wrong then, and he knows it is wrong now. A meeting was set up with the families attorney and called off at the last minute by the village.

Crestwood your days of using your police to hurt innocent people, to abuse families who have done nothing wrong, they will soon be over.

THE DECENT PEOPLE HAVE JUDGED YOU BY YOUR ACTIONS AND YOUR INACTIONS. NO PUBLIC RELATIONS FIRM IN THE WORLD COULD MAKE THE DECENT PEOPLE SEE YOU AS ANYTHING BUT THE VILLIANS THAT YOU ARE.
g8girl

Macomb, IL

#85 Mar 7, 2008
I have left my kids in the car for a few minutes while picking up takeout. I think it's ok as long as you are watching the car. I also have a fatalistic view of these things. I live in a relatively low crime big city and have never had my car broken into so it seems as though if it were ever to happen, it would have just been bad luck for lack of a better description. I have two kids under the age of 3 so I guess I feel that at any time I could be walking down the street and have one snatched from me and be unable to give chase while hauling the other child behind. How could you prevent that? At what point do you draw the line? At some point it's about faith.
Jack Bauer

United States

#86 Mar 7, 2008
1st Amendment wrote:
<quoted text>

Do you think LA cops apologized to OJ? Get a grip.
So in some, sick way, you're going to compare this incident to OJ??? Getting a grip won't even help YOU.
What PR firm

Tinley Park, IL

#87 Mar 7, 2008
Families Are America wrote:
Mother lucky to not be Tazed
Thursday, 13 December 2007 Jacob Tomaw
Last weekend in the suburbs, Ellen “Treffly” Coyne took her children to Wal-Mart to donate some money to Salvation army. As a result she was arrested.
“My 2-year-old had fallen fast asleep,” Coyne said.“It was sleeting, and I said,‘I’m not going to risk carrying my kid and falling.’”
Pretty sound thinking if you ask me.
So she turned off the engine, put her hazard lights on, locked the car and walked 30 feet from the car to get a few snapshots of the girls, Coyne said.
“I was always within ear- and eyeshot of the car,” Coyne said.“It was a five-minute affair.”
But that was enough time to get the mother of three in serious trouble with the law.
Coyne said when she turned around, a uniformed police officer was standing by her car and told Coyne,“You’re not going anywhere.”
She was not only arrested for child endangerment but like any reasonable person she resisted being arrested.(Resisting arrest has to be the most prevalent charge in America, right?)
So according to the police officer she was endangering her daughter. How did the agents of the state rectify this?
Officers then went to her car and started the engine with the baby inside —“exposing my child to carbon monoxide poisoning,” Coyne said. She assumed the other girls were in police custody.
She assumed wrong. The great protector of children had …
“…abandoned my other daughters at the Wal-Mart,” said Janecyk, they were eventually found seated on a bench in the Wal-Mart.“I asked them why they didn’t ask for help, but they said the police scared them.”
Is it possible we live in a police state, but generally have not realized it yet?
Now we know why you originally denied having any knowledge of the PR firm. You are the PR firm. Good move. Nice touch.
What PR firm

Tinley Park, IL

#88 Mar 7, 2008
Indict Mayor Stranczek wrote:
What public relations firm did the 'J' family hire? Maybe you just can't comprehend that 94% of the readers of the SouthTown Star and the Sun Times say that the Crestwood Police went too far. The public stands firmly against the atrocities of Crestwood and their police.
Tampering by the 'J' family? You should talk about tampering since most of your post is inaccurate or outright lies.
When the public sees the facts the public becomes disgusted with the actions of the Crestwood Police and the inactions of Mayor Robert Stranczek. The supporters of this family have never received a penny for their contribution in opening peoples eyes to the crimes and corruption of the Crestwood Police.
In fact, it's the Crestwood Police who don't feel like laws apply to them.
Didn't a Crestwood Police Officer MOLEST TWO YOUNG BOYS?
Did a gun dissapear from the evidence lockup at the Crestwood Police station only to be found as the murder weapon on a Chicago homicide?
Did an employee of the Crestwood Police department who is not a police officer illegally pull over a civillian with a police car?
Did two Crestwood Police officers get fired after shooting up a residents house with paintball guns?
Who thinks they are above the law? The Crestwood Police and Mayor Robert Stranczek think they are above the law.
Talk about lie's. Tell me what lies are posted. Also look at your own post. It is filled with lies and accusations that have no relavence to the J case. Should we bring up UFO's Sara and ex-employees of Tim?
Facts Of The Case

Macomb, IL

#89 Mar 7, 2008
1. An abusive CSO berated and threatened a mother in front of her terrified children.

2. Three other mothers have reported this CSO to the department for similiar behavior.

3. A mother with no previous contact with the police, after being threated with having her child taken away by this CSO invoked her right to counsel and was then wrongly arrested.

4. A two year old child was taken away from her family for no legal reason.

5. Police refused to release this child to the father when he arrived at the scene.

6. When the mother was placed in handcuffs and put into the back of a squad car in the custody of the Crestwood Police department the officers on the scene abandoned three little girls aged 8 and 9.

7. The police never identified or talked to these children at all. Video shows them walking away from the scene alone. They are never mentioned in THE FIRST THREE POLICE REPORTS written. That is because they were completely disregarded by the Crestwood Police.

8. When the bellringer arrived to offer assistance he was threatened with arrest by the CSO twice for 'obstruction of justice.'

9. The bellringer was pulled over illegally by the CSO in order to identify him. This is a class two felony on the part of the CSO as outlined in ILCS statutes.

10. The next day when the father went to Walmart to request of the manger that the video tape be preserved he was threatened with arrest by a Crestwood Police officer who said "you are on my turf."

11. In the police report it is stated that the CSO saw the mother park and get out of the car.

12. There was no phone call to the police to report a child left in a car alone because

13. The CSO was on the scene immediately.

14. The CSO knew that no crime was committed because she was aware of where the mother went and how long she was there.

15. The mother pointed to the children on the video as she was being arrested and the CSO looked right at them.

16. The greatest danger any child was exposed to that night was due to the actions of the Crestwood Police department. THE CRIME THAT THE CRESTWOOD POLICE COMMITED ON DECEMBER 8TH 2007 WAS FAR WORSE THAN THE CRIME THEY CHARGED THE MOTHER WITH.

17. The relationship of the CSO to the responding Seargent led to the escalation of the situation.

18. The only party that commited any crime that night was the Crestwood Police department.

19. No disciplinary action has been taken against these officers. UPDATE: IT IS SAID THAT THE CSO ANGEL BRUDNIKI NO LONGER WORKS ON THE STREET BUT HAS BEEN GIVEN A DESK JOB INSIDE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
Dawn

Houston, TX

#90 Mar 7, 2008
Our society has gone insane. I have had people curse at me for not pushing my emptied cart 50 feet to a cart corral, with them not caring if my kids were in my vehicle.... and we've had a few of these ridiculous arrests in our area in the past. There is no pleasing some people. Why is it okay to leave your kids in the car while you go up to pay for your gasoline? We have turned into an inmate culture, with Big Brother playing Warden, and all the other inmates helping to damage everyone around them. The cops who left those children alone and traumatized should be fired, or charged with child endangerment. Tit for tat, right? Or are they above the law? Oh, wait! That's right, they are...... God help that mom and her family. The trauma of gov't abuse is rampant in this country. Those kids will never look at a police officer as a "helper" again, will they? Nice job, Officers.
Sabrina

Secaucus, NJ

#91 Mar 7, 2008
Ugh, this always angers me. I really think you'd be an idiot to leave your kid in the car in the heat or cold, or if you can't see them, but the laws about this are getting a little ridiculous. I cannot, for instance, get both my kids in their carseats and then run back in my house to grab something I forgot. I park in my own driveway, less than 6 feet from my door and yet I'd have to remove them both, but it's ok if I were to let them play in the front yard while I ran inside to get a drink or answer the phone. They're safer in their carseats in that instance...this woman probably made a bad choice knowing what the social climate is, but I don't think she was an irresponsible parent. The police officer that managed to arrest her and leave her kids unattended did definitely do something wrong though.
Outraged Mom

Macomb, IL

#92 Mar 7, 2008
Who is supposed to be the parent... a woman who loves her child and cares for her or some outraged and detached police officer?

Who can the child count on to protect her as she grows up... a woman who loves her child and cares for her or some outraged and detached police officer?

Who has the best interests of the child in mind... a woman who loves her child or the abusive police officer that takes her away from her mother and puts her mother in jail?

I'm outraged. I am my childs mother and the government had better let me do the parenting. The Crestwood police should be prosecuted for this. They are the criminals.
Question Facts

Chicago, IL

#93 Mar 7, 2008
Facts that have nothing to do with this case.
1 The CSO was checking on the well being of a child who was left in a vehicle with no adult supervision.
2 There is no proof if any other person complained about the CSO. This has no relevance to THIS CASE.
3 it doesn't matter if the mother has a record or not. She was in violation of the law and refused to cooperate with the police officials on the scene, contrary to what you think this is against the law. The mother refused to tell the officers on the scene who the child was in the back of the car. This was what probably escalated the situation. For all the TV lawyers on this site the 5th amendment does not apply. Go and research this. If you fail to cooperate it is called obstruction of justice. The police department has an obligation to find out who the child is and the identity of the Childs parents/legal guardian.
4 The child was in the back seat of the vehicle a sleep. The father admitted on this blog he was there within 3 minutes and rode to the police station with the 2 year old.
5 How would you classify the father riding with the child to the police station? It was reported on this blog the father was not acting as a responsible adult either.
6 Once again was the father there in 3 minutes or not. The bell ringer is either the brother or god father to the children. This information was retrieved from this site. I would hardly sat the children were abandoned by the police department. Why did the father place more value in obtaining pictures on the scene then the welfare of his children. You can blame the police all you want the father admitted on this blog he was confused and it is going to take a long time to get over it man.
7 How do you know how many police reports were written. Did you witness this or is this hearsay. If you bring this up in court it will not be admitted as evidence unless you can produce a credible witness.
8 If the bell ringer was not related in any way to the family why was he interfering with a police investigation? Why has the Salvation Army not issued any statement as to the treatment of there bell ringer?
9 If the bell ringer was pulled over illegally this has no BEARING ON THIS CASE. This would be a separate incident.
10. If the tape was going to be used as evidence then the father was interfering with the investigation. Another point is why WAL-Mart has remained silent during this whole incident. There has not been one statement by Wal-Mart.
11 If the CSO did see the mother park and leave a child in the car unattended she was doing her job to investigate. If the CSO witnessed a different crime being committed she is not to take action and do nothing?
12 That is called an on view crime. Giving more credence to her taking immediate action.
13 Once again it was on view. What is the relevance to a phone call?
14 The mother parked in a no parking area. This is not a jailible offense but she still has to investigate why an adult would leave a child in a vehicle unattended.
15 Once again was the bell ringer related to the child or a friend of the family and did the mother consent to the children being left with the bell ringer?
16 What crime was committed? If the father was on the scene within 3 minutes and the bell ringer was either a friend or family where was a crime committed by the police department?
Question Facts

Chicago, IL

#94 Mar 7, 2008
17 There is no proof the relationship between the CSO and Sergeant had any bearing on this case. It is purely speculation. Does the relationship between Mrs. J. and the bell ringer have any bearing such as the mother stood and talked for several minutes?
18 Once again there was no crime committed by the police department. Don’t you think the States Attorney would have charged the officers if a crime were committed by the officers?
19 Don’t you think it is a good idea to take the CSO off the street with all of the posts written about her?
20 If there were no crimes committed why is the States Attorneys office pursuing this case?
Where do you get this

Macomb, IL

#95 Mar 7, 2008
A RESPONSE TO:Facts that have nothing to do with this case.

1 The CSO was checking on the well being of a child who was left in a vehicle with no adult supervision.

IF THE CSO COULDNT SEE THREE 8 AND 9 YEAR OLD GIRLS RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR MOTHER HOW CAN YOU TAKE ANY OF HER OBSERVATIONS SERIOUSLY.

2 There is no proof if any other person complained about the CSO. This has no relevance to THIS CASE.

ONE TELEVISION STATION, ONE RADIO STATION AND ONE PRIVATE CITIZEN FORWARDED STATEMENTS ABOUT PREVIOUS COMPLAINTS ABOUT ANGEL BRUDNICKI. THE RELEVANCE IS THAT SHE HAS A HISTORY OF SCREAMING AT AND THREATENING MOTHERS FOR PERCEIVED OFFENSES.

3 it doesn't matter if the mother has a record or not. She was in violation of the law and refused to cooperate with the police officials on the scene, contrary to what you think this is against the law. The mother refused to tell the officers on the scene who the child was in the back of the car. This was what probably escalated the situation.

ANGEL BRUDNICKI TOLD THE MOTHER SHE WAS UNDER ARREST BEFORE THIS QUESTION WAS EVER ASKED. DOESNT THE JUDGE DECIDE IF SHE IS IN VIOLATION OF A LAW? SHOULDN'T THE JOB OF THE POLICE HAVE BEEN TO INVESTIGATE?

For all the TV lawyers on this site the 5th amendment does not apply. Go and research this. If you fail to cooperate it is called obstruction of justice. The police department has an obligation to find out who the child is and the identity of the Childs parents/legal guardian.

SHOULDN'T THEY HAVE HAD AN OBLIGATION TO PROTECT THE THREE OTHER LITTLE GIRLS THEY ABANDONED TO THEIR OWN LUCK?

4 The child was in the back seat of the vehicle a sleep. The father admitted on this blog he was there within 3 minutes and rode to the police station with the 2 year old.

YES HE DID. MORE THAN AN HOUR AFTER THE INCIDENT. MS COYNE WAS IN THE BACK OF A POLICE CAR FOR MORE THAN AN HOUR. THATS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM FOR THE POLICE.

5 How would you classify the father riding with the child to the police station? It was reported on this blog the father was not acting as a responsible adult either.

DO YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU SAY ON A BLOG? THE FATHER RODE WITH HIS DAUGHTER BECAUSE HE WOULD NOT LET SOME STRANGERS TAKE HER AWAY FROM HIM.

6 Once again was the father there in 3 minutes or not. The bell ringer is either the brother or god father to the children. This information was retrieved from this site. I would hardly sat the children were abandoned by the police department.

WHY THEN DOES THE BELLRINGER STATE THAT HE WAS RUN AWAY FROM THE SCENE UNDER THREAT OF ARREST TWICE, PULLED OVER ILLEGALLY TWO HOURS LATER BY THE CSO SO SHE COULD ID HIM, AND THE CHILDREN SAID THE POLICE NEVER TALKED TO THEM AND THE VIDEO SHOWS THEM WALKING AWAY BY THEMSELVES WHEN THE MOTHER WAS BEING ARRESTED. THEY WERE ABANDONED. THEY ARE NOT EVEN MENTIONED IN THE FIRST THREE POLICE REPORTS.

Why did the father place more value in obtaining pictures on the scene then the welfare of his children. You can blame the police all you want the father admitted on this blog he was confused and it is going to take a long time to get over it man.

THE POLICE WOULD NOT ANSWER HIS QUESTIONS, HE WAS THREATENED WITH ARREST FOR APPROACHING THE CAR HIS WIFE WAS IN. WHAT COULD HE HAVE DONE? LEFT HIS TWO YEAR OLD ALONE TO BE TAKEN BY THE POLICE? THOSE PICTURES WILL PROVE HIS WIFE INNOCENT
Where do you get this

Macomb, IL

#96 Mar 7, 2008
continued...

7 How do you know how many police reports were written.

I AM A VERY GOOD FRIEND OF THE FAMILY.

Did you witness this or is this hearsay. If you bring this up in court it will not be admitted as evidence unless you can produce a credible witness.

THE FAMILIES WITNESSES ARE FAR MORE CREDIBLE THAN THE POLICE OFFICERS ON SCENE THAT NIGHT.

8 If the bell ringer was not related in any way to the family why was he interfering with a police investigation? Why has the Salvation Army not issued any statement as to the treatment of there bell ringer?

THE FAMILY HAS NEVER IDENTIFIED ANY WITNESS IN ANY WAY. SHOULDN'T THE POLICE HAVE? SURPRISE IS COMING ON THAT ONE.

9 If the bell ringer was pulled over illegally this has no BEARING ON THIS CASE. This would be a separate incident.

IT SHOWS A PRACTICE OF VIOLATING THE LAW, THE CHARACTER OF THE OFFICERS, A PATTERN OF ABUSE AND MALICIOUSNESS.

10. If the tape was going to be used as evidence then the father was interfering with the investigation. Another point is why WAL-Mart has remained silent during this whole incident. There has not been one statement by Wal-Mart.
SOME WALMART EMPLOYEES DID MAKE STATEMENTS. WAL MART LEGAL SEEMED TO CLAMP DOWN ON THAT PRETTY QUICK.

11 If the CSO did see the mother park and leave a child in the car unattended she was doing her job to investigate. If the CSO witnessed a different crime being committed she is not to take action and do nothing?

THE CSO KNEW NO CRIME WAS COMMITED.

12 That is called an on view crime. Giving more credence to her taking immediate action.

SHE SHOULD. SHE JUST TOOK THE WRONG ACTIONS.

13 Once again it was on view. What is the relevance to a phone call?

WHAT?

14 The mother parked in a no parking area. This is not a jailible offense but she still has to investigate why an adult would leave a child in a vehicle unattended.

OF COURSE. YOUR POINT?

15 Once again was the bell ringer related to the child or a friend of the family and did the mother consent to the children being left with the bell ringer?

IT REMAINS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE POLICE TO IDENTIFY THE BELLRINGER. NO THE MOTHER DID NOT CONSENT TO THE CHILDREN BEING LEFT WITH ANYONE. FIRST THE POLICE SAID THE MOTHER NEVER TOLD THEM SHE HAD KIDS, THEN THEY SEEM TO IMPLY SHE GAVE THEM CONSENT TO LEAVE THEM WITH THE SALVATION ARMY BELL RINGER? THE POLICE STILL DON'T HAVE THEIR STORIES STRAIGHT. THEY'LL GET CAUGHT IN THE LIES SOONER THAN LATER.

16 What crime was committed? If the father was on the scene within 3 minutes and the bell ringer was either a friend or family where was a crime committed by the police department?

GRANDMA ONLY LIVES A MILE OR SO AWAY... IF THE KIDS GOT LUCKY ENOUGH TO WANDER OVER THERE WOULD YOU GIVE THE COPS KUDOS FOR THAT TOO? THE CRIME COMMITED WAS ANGEL BRUDNICKI PULLING THE BELLRINGER OVER WHEN SHE HAS NO LEGAL AUTHORITY TO DO SO.

CRESTWOOD SCREWED THIS CASE UP FROM THE MOMENT ANGEL BRUDNICKI WAS HIRED. THEY ENDANGERED THOSE CHILDREN.

NO CHILD WAS IN ANY DANGER UNTIL THE CRESTWOOD POLICE SHOWED UP.

THE CRESTWOOD POLICE ARE THE ONES WHO ENDANGERED THE CHILDREN. HOW IRONIC. AND THEY WERE ONLY THERE TO HELP. INCOMPETENT POLICE.
Where do you get this

Macomb, IL

#97 Mar 7, 2008
continued...

17 There is no proof the relationship between the CSO and Sergeant had any bearing on this case. It is purely speculation.

THE WORLD DOESN'T LOOK ROUND FROM WHERE I AM STANDING BUT AM AM TOLD THAT INDEED IT IS. COME ON THEY WERE SLEEPING TOGETHER. DO YOU THINK THE BIG BRAIN OR THE TEENY WEENY WAS RUNNING THE SHOW THAT NIGHT?

Does the relationship between Mrs. J. and the bell ringer have any bearing such as the mother stood and talked for several minutes?

YOU TELL ME? WAS THE BELLRINGER STANDING NEAR THE GRASSY KNOLL?

18 Once again there was no crime committed by the police department. Don’t you think the States Attorney would have charged the officers if a crime were committed by the officers?

ARE YOU SERIOUS? WHO WOULD TELL ON THE COPS? THEY HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN INVESTIGATED. ITS ALL BEEN COVERED UP. THERE WILL BE A RECKONING SOON THOUGH.

19 Don’t you think it is a good idea to take the CSO off the street with all of the posts written about her?

I THINK SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROPERLY INVESTIGATED BEFORE SHE GOT A BADGE. SHES BEEN CALLED A CHILD ABUSER, A PRACTICING WITCH, A GRAVE ROBBER, AN ARSONIST, A DRUG USER, A WOMAN OF ILL REPUTE... UMM MAYBE NEXT TIME CHIEF SULIKOWSKI HIRES SOMEONE HE SHOULD DO A GOOGLE SEARCH ON THEM AT LEAST.

20 If there were no crimes committed why is the States Attorneys office pursuing this case?

WELL DID ANYONE GET THAT LETTER FROM DCFS?

CRESTWOOD IS ALREADY PREPARING THEIR STATEMENT TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY LOST THE CASE. THEY KNEW RIGHT WHEN THEY GOT THAT LETTER. WHAT CRIME?
Judy

Houston, TX

#98 Mar 7, 2008
There is such a fine line, isn't there?

I guess the police have to do their jobs, and if they find a child alone in a vehicle they have to try to figure out what is going on. It seems to me, though, that if the mom was in plain sight and where she knew she could be aware of what was happening in the car, then the police should be able to exercise some discretion.

I do think most cases of leaving a kid alone in a car are unsafe and unexcusable, but at the same time there are cases where it is not. I used to unbuckle both kids and take them back with me if I had to get into my house for a forgotten item. Then I realized that if they were both buckled, in the time it would take me to unlock the door and grab my sunglasses no one - especially someone unaccustomed to unhooking those specific car seats - would be able to get them out of their seats!!! So, yes, they were probably safer in their car seats than coming back in with me.

(Also, I couldn't figure out how to safely unload groceries without leaving them in their car seats while I take groceries in. Maybe we should have had a playpen.)

Of course the police seriously messed up by leaving the kids alone.

And you know, aren't kids younger than 14 allowed to stay home alone sometimes? To go places on their own (I know I was when I was much younger than that)? But they can't be left alone in a car while Mom goes in to pay for gas or drop off a bill payment?

That seems a little much to me.

I don't know where the line is though, and I guess the gray area is always the problem.
Question Facts

Chicago, IL

#99 Mar 7, 2008
1 Once again the CSO is not a mind reader. The vehicle was illegally parked. Why was it illegally parked with a child left unattended in a vehicle?
2 So now we know, whatever is reported in the news media or blogs are ALLWAYS FACTUAL Thanks I did not know this fact. I wonder why the court system has not grasped this concept and use every article or news clip as evidence. Makes you wonder what the judges and lawyers are thinking. I would further ask why have the women not come forward to the media?
3 The CSO was investigating if a crime was committed. I would bet if the CSO advised the mother she was under arrest it was when the mother refused to cooperate and tell who the child was in the backseat.
4 Well now we do not use blogs as factual evidence? Or you use it if it only benefits you? So you ADMIT the father arrived within three minutes and he did not have the sense to check on the well-being of his other children, and he thought it was more important to take pictures then to make sure his other children were accounted for.
5 You just stated if it was reported it has to be true. This was posted on this blog so it has to be true.
6 If the bell ringer is not related or connected to this incident and he is interfering with the police then it is a criminal offense. Once again if he was pulled over illegally that is another matter and is not directly connected to the initial incident. I am sure when the point of the first three police reports is brought up and you are subpoenaed to prove how you have this knowledge it will all be straightened out at that time. I am sure you will testify under oath and will tell who your sources are. Don’t use the I am a good friend of the family the courts will not allow that.
7 As was previously stated when you identify all of your sources this will be straightened out real fast.
8 Answer the question. Why was he interfering with a police matter and more importantly why has the Salvation Army not issued a statement condemning the way the bell ringer was treated as you allege?
9 If in-fact the bell ringer was pulled over this has no bearing on the INITAL police incident. That would be considered a separate incident.
10 Where did the Wal-Mart employees make an OFFICIAL statement? On this blog? So you are saying Wal-Mart legal department has the right to take the 1st amendment rights of there employees away? Why has the corporate office of Wal-Mart not issued an official statement?
11 So you are a mind reader. You know every vehicle that parks in a no parking zone is not going to commit ant crime?
12 That is an opinion. The courts will decide if she made the wrong decision.
13 You brought up the fact the CSO was on the scene an there was no phone call made. You prove my point, what relevance does a phone call have to do with this case?
14 The point is the vehicle was illegally parked. The driver left a child in the vehicle with no other person in it. The CSO is obligated to investigate why a child was left in the vehicle unattended.
Question Facts

Chicago, IL

#100 Mar 7, 2008
15 Where you there and witnessed the mother during this whole incident and heard the complete conversation between the mother and the police officers?
16 I was not there. So if we go with what you are stating and the police officers did not make sure all the children were accounted for and safe assuming they had knowledge of the other children and the other family members on the scene were not given permission to take custody of the children you still defend the father was there within three minutes and he forgot about the other children It was more important to obtain pictures of the scene then to check on the well being of his other children. I find it very hard to believe if the police officers screwed up as you allege you still defend the father forgetting his other children. Wasn't a brother there also on the scene as was previously posted? Why didn’t the children go to the father or brother?

Once again if in fact the CSO pulled the bell ringer over this has no bearing on the initial case. You stated the alleged illegal traffic stop occurred over two hours later. This can not be tied to the initial case and the stop has no bearing at all to the outcome of the initial incident.
Question Facts

Chicago, IL

#101 Mar 7, 2008
17 I agree the world does appear flat. Should we assume because it was posted on this blog it has to be true Tim was confused because Sarah had called him up for a booty call and he was all mixed up and thinking with his tiny weenie and that is why he forgot about the other children?
18 Once again you have first hand information. Are you stating the States Attorneys are covering up and wrong doings? Or they are too inept to conduct a proper investigation and get to the bottom of any alleged wrong doings?
19 I have no knowledge of the CSO's past. But I recall people postings google searches of Tim J ang they were chastised for doing that. Once again it is ok for Tim J supporters to google search someone but it is not ok to google search Tim J and CO.?

Once again if the States Attorney did not think they have a case they would not pursue this.

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