Crestonnews

Lenox, IA

#21 Feb 17, 2009
Here is what happened, as told to me by several people who were there. The people were a H.S. student that was at the bus stop, two teachers that were inside the building when it happened and went outside shortly after the incident, my neighbor's boy who is an ECC student and was at the Bus stop, and a parent who was in her car waiting to pick up her daughter.

Kids were riding from the Middle School to the bus stop at the ECC on Elm St. Some kids get off there and others stay on the bus and go to other places. The buses pick up the ECC students. A group of M.S. kids got off the bus. A couple of them had BB guns and they started shooting their BB's toward a group of ECC kids waiting to get on the bus. Another kid had a big Bowie type knife and took it out and started waving it around. He did not swing it at anyone. Apparently, there was one adult out there who was busy talking with a couple of parents. It happened very quickly and the kids shooting the BB guns fired off several shots before anyone knew what was going on.

At least one, maybe two kids were hit with BB's.

I got this information from very reliable sources and I have no reason to believe they are making this up. Within 24 hours, the news was all over town.

My question is: What was the deal with the supervision? There are maybe 60 or 70 kids from all different age levels getting on and off the busses there. Shouldn't there be 4 or 5 supervisors there at least?
wow

Lenox, IA

#22 Feb 17, 2009
ok..IT WAS OUTSIDE THE ECC!! My Error. It was in early evening.
No teachers are there at that time!!!
School will still be involved I would think in a discipline..as school property!
Crestonnews

United States

#23 Feb 17, 2009
wow wrote:
ok..IT WAS OUTSIDE THE ECC!! My Error. It was in early evening.
No teachers are there at that time!!!
School will still be involved I would think in a discipline..as school property!
It actually happened after school, around 3:45. The buses were there dropping kids off from the H.S., Elementary and M.S. and picking up kids from Kindergarten. There should have been more teachers outside
Creston

United States

#24 Feb 17, 2009
wow wrote:
ok..IT WAS OUTSIDE THE ECC!! My Error. It was in early evening.
No teachers are there at that time!!!
School will still be involved I would think in a discipline..as school property!
You do not seem to know what you are telling......
Creston

United States

#25 Feb 17, 2009
Crestonnews wrote:
Here is what happened, as told to me by several people who were there. The people were a H.S. student that was at the bus stop, two teachers that were inside the building when it happened and went outside shortly after the incident, my neighbor's boy who is an ECC student and was at the Bus stop, and a parent who was in her car waiting to pick up her daughter.
Kids were riding from the Middle School to the bus stop at the ECC on Elm St. Some kids get off there and others stay on the bus and go to other places. The buses pick up the ECC students. A group of M.S. kids got off the bus. A couple of them had BB guns and they started shooting their BB's toward a group of ECC kids waiting to get on the bus. Another kid had a big Bowie type knife and took it out and started waving it around. He did not swing it at anyone. Apparently, there was one adult out there who was busy talking with a couple of parents. It happened very quickly and the kids shooting the BB guns fired off several shots before anyone knew what was going on.
At least one, maybe two kids were hit with BB's.
I got this information from very reliable sources and I have no reason to believe they are making this up. Within 24 hours, the news was all over town.
My question is: What was the deal with the supervision? There are maybe 60 or 70 kids from all different age levels getting on and off the busses there. Shouldn't there be 4 or 5 supervisors there at least?
Agree, where was the supervision, they are responsible while kids are getting off buses and while kids are loading buses.
Do you knowe if anyone is pressing charges..and was anyone hurt.......
Makes all parents wonder if the kids are safe....
Creston

United States

#26 Feb 17, 2009
I might add...all parents should contact the school board and call for a school board meeting..open to the public..............
Wake Up from Creston

United States

#27 Feb 17, 2009
Wake up Creston, if you have information, contact the Iowa Department of Education, the Attorney General and the Des Miones Register, that will bring attention to the facts and the locals will not be able to cover it up.
Another stike against the Creston News Advertiser
OMG

Creston, IA

#28 Feb 19, 2009
First and foremost, You really should get your facts straight before you go running your mouth...these boys weren't out to hurt anyone intentionally and it wasn't a bb gun for your information..and they didn't shoot at kids getting off of the school bus. I could see people complaining and running there mouths if they have all there facts straight. Also, why are teachers running there mouths, if they weren't even there...that is the problem with people in this town, believe everything that they hear, instead of knowing the truth...did they do wrong taking airsoft guns on school grounds, yes, are they suffering the consequences for it, yes...nobody got off the hook, and these children are minors, so it isn't anyones business, but there parents'..so all I can say, if it was your child, would you want everyone running there mouth about it????
crestonnews wrote:
I heard from several teacher friends that some kids from the Middle School was at the Kindergarten building after school where the bus dropped him off at and two started shooting at the kindergarten kids with a BB gun. A couple of kids were hit. Another M.S. kid had a Bowie knife and started swinging it around. My neighbor's kid confirmed it as he was at the bus stop and told me what happened.
If that isn't bad enough, the cops were called and none of the kids were taken into custody. The word at the school is that only the kid with the knife will get a 10 day out of school suspension, the other two may get 5 day suspensions.
What the Hell!!!!! If I had a kid at the Kindergarten, I would be pissed. They shot at and hit kids with BB's and all they get is suspension. They should be expelled and legal action should be taken. And why does the kid with the knife get more punishment than the other kids.
And if I was the parent of the kids that got hit with the BB gun, I would sue the district for not supervising the bus drop off and pick up area. It is my understanding that the kids were shooting for almost a minute before a teacher showed up.
Once again, I doubt the paper will say much. The school board is going to have an emergency meeting tonight or tomorrow to discuss what happened. I truly hope those punks get expelled and charges are brought up against them.
All I can say

Creston, IA

#29 Feb 19, 2009
All I can say is that you all have your facts wrong...
Crestonnews

United States

#30 Feb 19, 2009
All I can say wrote:
All I can say is that you all have your facts wrong...
And the knife?? That is a fact. A teacher saw the boy swing a knife around. True, the kid wasn't trying to hurt anyone, but he took it out and made sure everyone could see it. Maybe you should double check your facts.

And I don't care if it was a BB gun, pellet gun, air rifle or whatever, they were shooting it outside the bus and someone did get hit with a pellet or BB. Not seriously injured, just left a small welt. But what if that would have been an eye? It almost sound like you are supporting the kids. What if it was your kid that got hit? I doubt you would be telling everyone to take it easy. It is our business. My kids go to the Creston Schools. It is anyone's business that has children in the schools.

And if it was my kid that was stupid enough to do something like that, I would come out and have the kid apologize at a school board meeting, publicly. I would make him own up and take responsibility.
They are dangerous

United States

#31 Feb 20, 2009
Parents unaware of AirSoft guns’ dangers
Tue, 05/02/2006 - 4:14pmBy: Letters to the ...
I am an ophthalmologist at Piedmont Fayette Community hospital and feel compelled to write in to discuss a serious topic: Eye safety.

I have just seen another patient with an injury from an AirSoft pellet gun, making it four patients I have seen in the past two months with similar injuries. I have seen two this week alone.

I am writing to plead with parents not to allow their children to play with these “toys” without considering the risks.

There are over 300,000 serious eye injuries in America each year, with over 50,000 coming from projectiles of some sort (bullets, BBs, pellets, paintball, fireworks, etc.) Most of these injuries are in young people, primarily boys. The level of severity can range from mild to severe, but any easily preventable injury is unacceptable in my mind.

For years, I have seen a rise in eye injuries due to paintball. Paintball pellets are a potentially destructive force that seem to be magically guided towards eyes. Paintball equipment clearly reads that eye protection (helmets) should be worn at all times.

In every paintball injury I have ever seen, the victim briefly took off the helmet (to clean the face-shield or reload the gun) and was hit at that instant. As with most safety equipment, the availability of the equipment is not the problem; the usage of the equipment is.

Now, I am seeing another troubling trend. AirSoft guns are becoming very popular, promising “simulated warfare” with tiny plastic pellets or BBs, and are marketed as being safe. There are warnings on the equipment that eye protection should be worn, but the suggestion is “they are just plastic, they don’t really hurt.” A review of a popular AirSoft website found this quote:

“The combination of realism, safety, flexibility, and low cost makes AirSoft more appealing to the average consumer who would like to exercise his or her steady eye/hand coordination without the inherent dangers.”

I suspect that there are many parents who are convinced that this activity is safe and that no harm will ensue. Please believe me, parents, this is NOT true.

All projectiles can and will injure the eyes, especially when they are aimed at other people in simulated war games. Your children will not wear eye protection as they are instructed 100 percent of the time. At some point, an injury will occur. I would rather meet you somewhere else than our newly remodeled ER.

I am not trying to put the paintball purveyors and AirSoft suppliers out of business. Used completely as indicated, they may be perfectly safe. I rarely see injuries from paintball game locations, because they are very vigilant about eye protection.

Most of these injuries come from the backyard, and that is why it is so disturbing. I want to make sure parents are aware of the inherent dangers, so they can make their decisions accordingly. Loss of vision in a child from this type of injury is a preventable catastrophe.
Woman Power

Studio City, CA

#32 Feb 20, 2009
OMG wrote:
First and foremost, You really should get your facts straight before you go running your mouth...these boys weren't out to hurt anyone intentionally and it wasn't a bb gun for your information..and they didn't shoot at kids getting off of the school bus. I could see people complaining and running there mouths if they have all there facts straight. Also, why are teachers running there mouths, if they weren't even there...that is the problem with people in this town, believe everything that they hear, instead of knowing the truth...did they do wrong taking airsoft guns on school grounds, yes, are they suffering the consequences for it, yes...nobody got off the hook, and these children are minors, so it isn't anyones business, but there parents'..so all I can say, if it was your child, would you want everyone running there mouth about it????<quoted text>
When taken on school grounds it becomes every parents business. Don't make excuses for bad behavior. These children are minors and should have the right to privacy, but they should be punished. If I were the parent my child would make apologies to all involved. They are lucky no one was seriously injured. What happened to the Zero tolerance policy. Expulsion period for the rest of the year!
Lack Of Leadership

United States

#33 Feb 20, 2009
This was in the Creston News Advertiser, Thursday Feb. 19, 2009

Three students expelled from Creston school

The Creston School Board approved an agreement regarding the expulsion of three male students after colsed sessions Monday night.
Apparently, the expulsions stem from an after school incident listed on the Creston police call log as a miscellaneous assult Feb. 10 at 900 N. Elm.
"The reason the board got brought into this is because it was on school property," said Business Manager Don Krings.
Superintendent Tim Hood said the board was acting on recommendations made by the middle school principal and the district's attorney.
An expulsion's lenght varies, and is determined by the board based on incident severity.

Another incident, in our fine town, where again, the whole thing gets minmized.
Where are the leaders is this community, what about the Superintendent and his lack to condone what happened. There is a zero tolerance for weapons on the school grounds, I do not care what kind on weapon it is. And airsoft guns are weapons and can cause serious injury.
Sorry to inform you, but when these things happen on school property it is everyones business and for anyone to think otherwise, wrong.
I am very disappionted in the leaders of our school system including the board. If you do not step up to the plate and do your jobs, these kids will run the entire system and many already think they do.
You all have leadership rolls, act like leaders, then maybe just maybe you will get some respect.
Crestonnews

United States

#34 Feb 20, 2009
Lack Of Leadership wrote:
Another incident, in our fine town, where again, the whole thing gets minmized.
Where are the leaders is this community, what about the Superintendent and his lack to condone what happened. There is a zero tolerance for weapons on the school grounds, I do not care what kind on weapon it is. And airsoft guns are weapons and can cause serious injury.
Sorry to inform you, but when these things happen on school property it is everyones business and for anyone to think otherwise, wrong.
I am very disappionted in the leaders of our school system including the board. If you do not step up to the plate and do your jobs, these kids will run the entire system and many already think they do.
You all have leadership rolls, act like leaders, then maybe just maybe you will get some respect.
I agree 100%. Well Said. I am glad they got expelled and I hope it is for the rest of the school year. I can't stand our paper. Making it sound like it was nothing. Our paper is one reason all the rumors get started. If they would report what happened, we wouldn't have people all over town telling different versions of the incident. What a joke of a paper.

And in response to an earlier post, I never said the names of the people should be made public. They are minors and so they should not be made public. I only said that if it was my kid, I would make him go to the school board and apologize, publicly.

I hope this puts that incident to rest. Now, if only our stupid paper would start doing some real reporting.
Lack Of Leadership

United States

#35 Feb 20, 2009
Crestonnews wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree 100%. Well Said. I am glad they got expelled and I hope it is for the rest of the school year. I can't stand our paper. Making it sound like it was nothing. Our paper is one reason all the rumors get started. If they would report what happened, we wouldn't have people all over town telling different versions of the incident. What a joke of a paper.
And in response to an earlier post, I never said the names of the people should be made public. They are minors and so they should not be made public. I only said that if it was my kid, I would make him go to the school board and apologize, publicly.
I hope this puts that incident to rest. Now, if only our stupid paper would start doing some real reporting.
I do not want it put to rest, I would like to see someone in administration or on the school board address it, and address it as a serious issue.
Weapons at school or on school property is not a small issue, and should never be treated as such.
Have we not learned anything from the past, to many children killed at schools because weapons were brought there.
This is not something that should be shushed away, or swept under the rug. It should be talked about and talked about, and every parent and student made aware of the penalties in such reckless action. Never should it be minimized by words or lack of words.
And can anyone tell me what ""MISCELLANEOUS ASSAULT""is ??
The system has had many situations in the last few years that has tarnished the reputation on the school and turned many parents away, they have chose to educate thier children in other ways keeping them out of the public system.
I love to read the Superintendents comments on declining enrollment, he never mentions that many famalies are making the chioce to educate thier children in private schools. and many have no faith or trust in the public system. Why is that ???
The school has many policies but do not enforce them, they all look good in the handbooks, but are only worth the paper they are wrote on , as enforcement is key to any policy.
I believe that some students see and hear so much from those who are to be roll models and show leadership that they themselves can not reapect what they are being taught because it goes against the grain of what is right.
To end, those involved should be expelled forever. No student should be allowed to return after a weapon was involved in an incident.

""0 TOLERANCE"" life is much to valuable to take a gamble with.
Oh my god

Waukegan, IL

#36 Feb 21, 2009
Lack Of Leadership wrote:
This was in the Creston News Advertiser, Thursday Feb. 19, 2009
Three students expelled from Creston school
The Creston School Board approved an agreement regarding the expulsion of three male students after colsed sessions Monday night.
Apparently, the expulsions stem from an after school incident listed on the Creston police call log as a miscellaneous assult Feb. 10 at 900 N. Elm. WHO minimized this??? I do not see anyone minimizing this situation. IT was not during school hours and they held a meeting on it and they are expelled.... Some people need to be held accountable to what their children are doing??
The school doesn't raise the children. Careful because the public is who breads these little animals!!!!!
misc. assualt is what the police put in their report...probably meaning random!
No teachers were there in the evening!
The school still acted on it!
NOW the parents need to take charge.
"The reason the board got brought into this is because it was on school property," said Business Manager Don Krings.
Superintendent Tim Hood said the board was acting on recommendations made by the middle school principal and the district's attorney.
An expulsion's lenght varies, and is determined by the board based on incident severity.
Another incident, in our fine town, where again, the whole thing gets minmized.
Where are the leaders is this community, what about the Superintendent and his lack to condone what happened. There is a zero tolerance for weapons on the school grounds, I do not care what kind on weapon it is. And airsoft guns are weapons and can cause serious injury.
Sorry to inform you, but when these things happen on school property it is everyones business and for anyone to think otherwise, wrong.
I am very disappionted in the leaders of our school system including the board. If you do not step up to the plate and do your jobs, these kids will run the entire system and many already think they do.
You all have leadership rolls, act like leaders, then maybe just maybe you will get some respect.
The school board has meetings open to public all the time..closed probably only for the minors..would be my guess.

School staff is not at work in the evening. They have been expelled.
Who is minimizing this?? I don't see anyone!
It is serious but it is also time for some parents to be held accountable for raising some of the little monsters running this town.
Misc. assualt is what the police report said!
Now I would think that means random....

Those kids should be out...no question! Are their parents taking any responsibility? Were those kids playing with those air soft guns with or without safety gear on? Shooting around other children?
Who is teaching who what. The school is teach us many things and academics are first!
SOME OF THESE THINGS NEED TAUGHT AT HOME!
MAKE MORE PARENTS ACCOUNTABLE!
Crestonnews

Lenox, IA

#37 Feb 23, 2009
Oh my god wrote:
<quoted text>
The school board has meetings open to public all the time..closed probably only for the minors..would be my guess.
School staff is not at work in the evening. They have been expelled.
Who is minimizing this?? I don't see anyone!
It is serious but it is also time for some parents to be held accountable for raising some of the little monsters running this town.
Misc. assualt is what the police report said!
Now I would think that means random....
Those kids should be out...no question! Are their parents taking any responsibility? Were those kids playing with those air soft guns with or without safety gear on? Shooting around other children?
Who is teaching who what. The school is teach us many things and academics are first!
SOME OF THESE THINGS NEED TAUGHT AT HOME!
MAKE MORE PARENTS ACCOUNTABLE!
The incident did not happen in the evening. It happened right after school as students were getting off the Middle School buses and getting on the ECC buses. It happened at about 3:40. The school should have had sufficient number of employees monitoring the area since it was on school property and they were getting on and off of school buses.

The school board meetings are open to the public, but our school board often goes into "Closed Door" sessions to discuss sensitive topics. Why? My guess is to hide what is going on from the public. That is what happened with the expulsions. The decision was made in one of these closed door sessions.

Since: Nov 08

Lenox, IA

#38 Feb 24, 2009
it was after school it happen about 4:30 when all there teacher were gone i know were the supervision guns are nothing to play with but the really ? is where was the parents the schools can only do so much there is over 100 kids they can not watch them all
wow

Waukegan, IL

#39 Feb 24, 2009
Crestonnews wrote:
<quoted text>
The incident did not happen in the evening. It happened right after school as students were getting off the Middle School buses and getting on the ECC buses. It happened at about 3:40. The school should have had sufficient number of employees monitoring the area since it was on school property and they were getting on and off of school buses.
The school board meetings are open to the public, but our school board often goes into "Closed Door" sessions to discuss sensitive topics. Why? My guess is to hide what is going on from the public. That is what happened with the expulsions. The decision was made in one of these closed door sessions.
ARe you kidding me??
You people sound paranoid!
They have closed sessions with them I am sure because they are minors and that is what they have to do!
They close sessions on private things such as employees and things of that nature! Maybe you would want your personnel file all over town but it just doesn't work that way!
I agree with a lot of what you are saying..but going over the top!
Creston

United States

#40 Feb 25, 2009
wow wrote:
<quoted text>ARe you kidding me??
You people sound paranoid!
They have closed sessions with them I am sure because they are minors and that is what they have to do!
They close sessions on private things such as employees and things of that nature! Maybe you would want your personnel file all over town but it just doesn't work that way!
I agree with a lot of what you are saying..but going over the top!
I understand closed sessions and the reasons for it, I do believe you are missing the point of what is being said.
The school, many times, let things go, without comment. If our leaders can not come out and say behavior ,whatever it is, is unexceptable than they should finf a different job.
Being in the position they are in, many times they must stand up, even if it makes them unpopular with a few.
Kids see and hear more than parenrs do, kids know what is going on more than parents do, and when they see injustice by the leaders, what message does that send, when they some allowed more than others, what message does that send, when they see other students get away with what they themselves can not get away with, what message does that sent.
Berlieve3s you me there is alot that needs addressed that just doesnt get it.
Why ?????????? Can you answer that, that is a big problem. We need leadership and we do not have it !!!!!!!!!!

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