Voters again shoot down LTHS building...

Voters again shoot down LTHS building referendum

There are 133 comments on the 301 Moved Permanently story from Apr 5, 2011, titled Voters again shoot down LTHS building referendum. In it, 301 Moved Permanently reports that:

Voters on Tuesday rejected Lockport Township High School's referendum proposal for a new Cedar Road campus, marking the sixth defeat for the plan since 2006.

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Sacred Cow

Lockport, IL

#3 Apr 6, 2011
This "free" money has to come from somewhere.

I'm willing to bet Sue took a zero money down loan on her home and is upside-down on her mortgage.
No LTHS

Chicago, IL

#4 Apr 6, 2011
For those that were smart enough to figure out the school boards plan to get their school at any cost, I say THANK GOD and good job!! The purchasing of bonds will ultimately lead to the higher taxes, it's just a back door way of reaching their goal.
The worst part is their ridiculous planning on the boundary lines. I laugh every time they come out with their new "double talk" plan, as if the voters are complete idiots.
Thank you for seeing thru the BS.
NO Means NO

Oak Park, IL

#5 Apr 6, 2011
Thank You Voters!!! Lockport Township School District 205 PUT Your Shovels AWAY! How many times do we (the tax payers) have to say NO? Heres a Idea.... Sell the property in Homer Glen to Homer Glen. That way they can build there school and Lockport & Crest Hill do not have to pay for it!! Then Take the money and remodel the campuses.
i-believe-in205

Downers Grove, IL

#8 Apr 6, 2011
I put two children through LTHS 205 and have one attending currently. If ANYBODY believes this was free money you were naive. It would have come from our pockets somewhere, somehow. The demographics do not support a new school at this time. Do you want to be another Lincolnway West which is running at about 30 - 40 percent capacity? To Good Sam - whoa, a few trailers are an issue?? I was at Naperville North two weeks ago and they had plenty in the back of their campus. When the demographics support a new school I'll "look out" for the children. I look out for them NOW so that is insulting. Again read - LW West. and ... the scare tactics used in this campaign were overwhelmingly ridiculous! Give me hard facts and a viable reason to build a school other than perceived overcrowding and maybe one day I'll reconsider. This was once again an attempt to get a school for Homer Glen - just look at who was on the "we are one 4 LTHS" committee.
Drama

Lockport, IL

#9 Apr 6, 2011
Good Samaritan wrote:
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Greed and unconscionable behavior has sadly become the majority. How can anyone in good conscious vote against a new High School knowing that children are currently having classes ouside in trailers due to overcrowding. Education has become such a low priority in our country it is not surpising that US students rank 25th in comparison to the rest of the world when it comes to education. How much would a new school have cost every resident?$5 or less? FYI, US students did rank #1 in Confidence, I guesss it's a good thing that stupid is cock sure!
Samaritan, they're building an addition at East right now! To boot, enrollment and 9 year projections are down!

Nobody voted against books, computers, or any capital improvements related directly to a student's classroom needs. They voted against a new building and told the district it has to work with what it has. It's a message, for the sixth time, for LTHS to go back to the drawing board to find a longterm solution. I have to work under parameters set upon me by my employer every day I got to work and I'm sure you do, too.

If District 205 administrators or current board members are reading this, I would plead for them to note the following so they can come up with a better plan:

1. The majority of voters have spoken and said the following with the rejection of this referendum:
We need concrete numbers when it comes to projected tax numbers of our tax burden; words like 'may,' or 'possible,' don't go over well with us.

2. Central stays. You can't sacrifice a neighborhood like that for the needs of other communities.

3. We are one district. We stay together.

I don't think a school can be built on Cedar Rd., anymore. There has been way too much damage done to salvage it at this point. If a school must be built, it would have to be built in one of the other communities or on the school's current campus. There's too much mistrust in other communities towards the intentions of a few sour apples that talk of detachment and ways to circumvent the wishes of voters when it comes to implementing the project.

I hope District 205 can salvage it's reputation with voters in the future and help repair some of the damage that has been done in these past few elections. I love our district and I wish it the best.
THE THINKER

Elmhurst, IL

#10 Apr 6, 2011
Lockport Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>First, you are welcome. I surely watched out for the children of our community who's parents are struggling to make their payments and could use the tax break that will be the result of the failure of this referendum.
Second, you are welcome again. I was proud to help the taxpayers of the government by not adding another $50 million to our already nearly bankrupt checkbook. You also may want to check this number out. Even the high school site indicates they could "potentially" access $20 to $30 million. Did you just add the two together?
Third, you are welcome again. I was smart enough to figure out that there was an extremely slim chance that we would ever see any money from the state due to our current economy and financial situation. I knew that without that state money, that even the school wasn't convinced they would get, it would leave a huge gap in the funding for the new school. I saved you money again because that shortfall would have to come from somewhere.
Fourth, and I can't believe I have to say this again to you uninformed people. Taking away an absolute DECREASE in my taxes is an actual INCREASE!
Agree with all you have say.The State Illinois is broke The Federal
Government just keeps adding to the debt.All of the taxpayers or on a strict budget.The whole school funding issue across the board
needs to be revamped.How? I don't know but it can't continue on the increase after increase in property taxes.
Walleye

Homer Glen, IL

#12 Apr 6, 2011
I voted yes this time, the main reason is that I believe the need is there. howevere I had concerns about the cost of staffing a new building. The reason I voted yes was I believe we will need a new building before long and with interest rates as low as they are, the favorable climate for construction bids and the fact that our taxes would not go up should make this the least painful time to do this.
Just Say No

Lemont, IL

#13 Apr 6, 2011
Walleye wrote:
I voted yes this time, the main reason is that I believe the need is there. howevere I had concerns about the cost of staffing a new building. The reason I voted yes was I believe we will need a new building before long and with interest rates as low as they are, the favorable climate for construction bids and the fact that our taxes would not go up should make this the least painful time to do this.
Well, in case you missed it, you lost. Majority of voters disagree with you BS logic. I'll tell you what will happen before long, a 7th, 8th, and 9th referendum defeat until the dump the Cedar Road campus plan. It will never happen.
Walleye

Homer Glen, IL

#14 Apr 6, 2011
I didn't loose anything and am not looking for a fight, I voted no in the past on this issue and felt the time was right now. .I respect your feelings on the issue and you may be right, but please don't put me down for expressing my opinion on the subject, my thoughts are based on my own experience with large construction projects and my knowledge of the community. Have a nice day.
Just Say No

Lemont, IL

#15 Apr 6, 2011
Walleye wrote:
I didn't loose anything and am not looking for a fight, I voted no in the past on this issue and felt the time was right now..I respect your feelings on the issue and you may be right, but please don't put me down for expressing my opinion on the subject, my thoughts are based on my own experience with large construction projects and my knowledge of the community. Have a nice day.
So what does your original post get you. Referendum is defeated, there is not another election for a long, long time. Why did you feel it was necessary to come on here and justify your position for voting yes. Did you think you could change the minds of some "NO" voters. Should we go ask the clerk for our ballot back so we can change our vote and support a new school. I fail to see what your post was all about.
Da Man

United States

#17 Apr 6, 2011
What, no free high school for Homer Glen students paid for by Lockport and Crest Hill residents?

Actually, the cost for the Homer Glen school is inflated as they would need to use limo's to bus the kids to school, and that adds cost.
done with it

Grayslake, IL

#18 Apr 6, 2011
When is LTHS going to get it? We who voted "no" did so for good reason. First of all, this potential overcrowding situation could have been projected when many of the subdivisions that were being built about 10-15 years ago were constructed. At that time the builder could have been required to set aside funds to be utilized for the construction of a school that would be needed due to the influx of students into the district, knowing that the tax base would never come close to meeting the funding required for construction of a school. However the building of homes never ceased, although it has slowed, and many homes now sit empty. The wave of students from the construction boom is moving out of the high school soon and enrollment will continue to taper off (as it has been doing slowly). And at that point we have an empty school to pay to maintain even if the initial cost came from the companies that absorbed part of the cost. Of course this would happen if we as taxpayers paid for it all, but all we would be left with is an empty school and a higher tax bill regardless of whether or not the building was servicing students.
My second contention is this: LTHS is way too top heavy. There's more dead wood around that administrative office than in the petrified forest. Cut some administrative "assistant to the assistant" type positions and you'd find a lot more funding. Saving that money over a few years, along with the savings that comes from not feeding us propaganda about why they need a new school, will help to build a new school (if it's even needed at that point). Additionally the taxpayers might see those kind of changes and think the district finally has its priorities in order and vote in favor of a smaller referendum. I do not foresee that ever happening.
As far as "free" money from the government is concerned, are you delusional? The state is broke and can't make good on the money it already owes schools and the fed is not going to just give LTHS the money. Yes the federal government may give some incentive to hire teachers but that does not come close to the cost of building an entire facility from the ground up. Where does the money come from in the first place though- us. It just gets passed around a lot before it comes back to the community. It looks good on paper but it will cost us more on our tax bill each year, don't be fooled by the marketing! How about this- use the lottery money that was originally supposed to help the state's schools. Like that will ever happen.
done with it

Grayslake, IL

#19 Apr 6, 2011
EAT THAT wrote:
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Hey, HERE'S an IDEA.....If all who voted yes can afford the property tax increase that your proposed new school would of cost (don't bother trying to deny a property tax increase, no need to lie any longer) then you can afford tuition at a private school! There you go! Problem solved! Your precious, "crowded" child can go where there's minimum kids per class and your child doesn't have to run the risk of rubbing shoulders with what you deem "undesirables" from the other side of Farrell!
Buh bye!
The BEST solution I have heard yet!
Walleye

Homer Glen, IL

#20 Apr 6, 2011
So what does your original post get you. Referendum is defeated, there is not another election for a long, long time. Why did you feel it was necessary to come on here and justify your position for voting yes. Did you think you could change the minds of some "NO" voters. Should we go ask the clerk for our ballot back so we can change our vote and support a new school. I fail to see what your post was all about.[/QUOT
Well I was just contributing to the conversation. But to clear a few things up. I am retired, I live in Lockport, my kids are out of school and yes I would be willing to pay more taxes if I thought the money was being spent on something that was needed. And yes I can afford it. And to answer your question directly the reson I posted my observation which included both positive and negative aspects with voting yes was to offer my in site into this important community issue, as i am sure it will be voted on again. I would also like to applaud you for taking this interest to heart. I think it is great when people are passionate about their feelings, have you ever thought about running for the school board? I am sure you would watch over our tax dollars very closely. I would recommend though that you take a much more tolerant approach, it would really add to your credibility and would keep you off the zantac. Have a nice day and if you decide to run, let me know. I might just send you a check. For your campaign fund.
Good Samaritan

Homer Glen, IL

#21 Apr 6, 2011
Walleye wrote:
So what does your original post get you. Referendum is defeated, there is not another election for a long, long time. Why did you feel it was necessary to come on here and justify your position for voting yes. Did you think you could change the minds of some "NO" voters. Should we go ask the clerk for our ballot back so we can change our vote and support a new school. I fail to see what your post was all about.[/QUOT
Well I was just contributing to the conversation. But to clear a few things up. I am retired, I live in Lockport, my kids are out of school and yes I would be willing to pay more taxes if I thought the money was being spent on something that was needed. And yes I can afford it. And to answer your question directly the reson I posted my observation which included both positive and negative aspects with voting yes was to offer my in site into this important community issue, as i am sure it will be voted on again. I would also like to applaud you for taking this interest to heart. I think it is great when people are passionate about their feelings, have you ever thought about running for the school board? I am sure you would watch over our tax dollars very closely. I would recommend though that you take a much more tolerant approach, it would really add to your credibility and would keep you off the zantac. Have a nice day and if you decide to run, let me know. I might just send you a check. For your campaign fund.
Walleye you are one smart cookie. I love your intellectual and reasonable responses to the Charlie Sheen like rants from 'Just Say No' and 'Eat That'. No question about it, you win.
EAT THAT

Lockport, IL

#22 Apr 6, 2011
Good Samaritan wrote:
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Walleye you are one smart cookie. I love your intellectual and reasonable responses to the Charlie Sheen like rants from 'Just Say No' and 'Eat That'. No question about it, you win.
Um, Good Samaritan, YOU LOST!

EAT THAT!!

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa

Go cry in your Kool Aid you pretentious pompous receptacle for orangutan genitalia secretion!

Intellectual enough for you?
Just Say No

Lemont, IL

#23 Apr 6, 2011
EAT THAT wrote:
<quoted text>
Um, Good Samaritan, YOU LOST!
EAT THAT!!
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa
Go cry in your Kool Aid you pretentious pompous receptacle for orangutan genitalia secretion!
Intellectual enough for you?
I guess there are more Just Say No's and Trout's out there. 10% more if my memory serves correct.
BS - Lockport

Chicago, IL

#24 Apr 6, 2011
Thank you everyone for not buying into the bull that was being fed to us by Garry Raymond and company. His comment "If the referendum fails, the board unfortunately is going to have to look strongly at investing significant dollars into Central, and thatÂ’s going to raise our taxes" is so insulting that I don't know how anyone can take him seriously.
Here is a link to their "necessary investments" ...
http://lths.org/Referendum/CENTRAL%20CAMPUS%2...
This is a joke. Half of these quotes are overfluffed and the other half are UNNECESSARY. I have enough experience as a contractor, and I have been in the Central campus, to know how much of a bluff this is. I don't like my school board using scare tactics to get their pet projects approved. If these items are in such desperate need of maintenance, what have they been doing with our money the last 40 years?
If Homer Glenn residents are so desperate to have their kids in a new school, rewrite the referendum so the cost burden falls on them.
Dr bombay

Saint Charles, IL

#25 Apr 6, 2011
Why can't we all just get along?
Homer glen

Saint Charles, IL

#26 Apr 6, 2011
Have they looked into expanding the east campus to address the overcrowding. There is certainly plenty of room

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