intrapment by new lenox cops on rt 30
somone

Mokena, IL

#23 Nov 26, 2012
to Outraged - Strange reponse to my post. Makes no sense and is not relevant. I was using sarcasm(see Websters) to make a point.
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#24 Nov 26, 2012
Liger wrote:
Like I stated if they are pretending to have an emergency. There time can be better spent on real issues. Use Scotts's during real emergencies not pretend ones just to make money.
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Like I stated, they are usually a little busy on other matters during "real" emergencies. A ticket after the fact doesn't help an injured first responder much, does it? If you were the one doing your job on the side of the road as cars sped by at 50 MPH, you might see this as a "real" problem too.
DALE

Manhattan, IL

#26 Nov 26, 2012
If there is a "staged" emergency and someone who is passing this gets into an accident while trying to give courtesy, I would believe that there would definitely be a valid reason to put those responsibile for staging this accountable for their percent of damages. Where was this at? I want to document it.
Have a nice day

Chicago, IL

#27 Nov 26, 2012
Why don't you guys go complain to the Illinois State Troopers family that got killed on I-55 this morning.
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#28 Nov 26, 2012
Liger wrote:
Like I stated if they are pretending to have an emergency. There time can be better spent on real issues. Use Scotts's during real emergencies not pretend ones just to make money.
<quoted text>
Real enough for you?

http://fox2now.com/2012/11/26/il-state-troope...
hold on

Naperville, IL

#29 Nov 26, 2012
Have a nice day wrote:
Why don't you guys go complain to the Illinois State Troopers family that got killed on I-55 this morning.
Amen and may God watch over and comfort the family of Trooper Kyle Deatherage. I was not going to comment on this post due to the sheer absurdity of it. But believe me, NLPD is not staging fake stops or emergencies to get a Scotts law violation.

Please slow down and give as much room as possible to any emergency personnel on the roadway. Thanks for your cooperation. Believe me its no fun walking up to any vehicle on a traffic stop not knowing what you are getting into and trying to watch traffic clipping by as well. And BTW I am not a member of the NLPD. The few seconds you are losing by slowing or stopping if necessary means nothing. Just remember the person they may be helping may be a friend or family member.
Why the Distrust

Bolingbrook, IL

#30 Nov 26, 2012
Why is there this deep, deep distrust in New Lenox for their police force?

I've lived other places (similar sized towns) where it didn't seem that the citizenry detested cops the way people do around here.

A guy once said to me that one problem around here is that, for a town this size, there's too little crime and too many police.

God help us if we had the crime rates of some neighboring towns but it DOES seem as if everywhere one drives in NL that there's a police car stopped and with radar operating.

Just an observation.
Why the Distrust

Bolingbrook, IL

#31 Nov 26, 2012
BTW, I just looked it up. In NL there are 40 police officers. I have no idea how that would compare with Frankfort or Mokena.

As well, no idea how this average of one cop for every 620 citizens compares for any town with a full-time staff.
Right

Channahon, IL

#32 Nov 26, 2012
Here is a reason that cops should be doing traffic stops, because people like this are driving. Im sure there are a lot more drunks on the road then the drug dealers and pedophiles you want these cops to find.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/brea...
crazy drivers

New Lenox, IL

#34 Nov 27, 2012
They need to sit at the intersection at Haven and Cedar. They will make a fortune in revenue. People going north on Cedar making a left turn blow through the stop sign constantly and do not yield to the traffic on their left. I know it's a crazy intersection but that is no excuse.
Ernest T Bass

United States

#35 Nov 27, 2012
kids doing H, cops doing this, a sad day in the home of proud americans.
so what

United States

#36 Nov 27, 2012
Well the only way to avoid intrapment is to do the speed lomit and drive safely.I dont care how many hidden speed traps they have .I obey the traffic laws so that doesnt apply to me.now if you want to race around like a teen ager on red bull then you will get a well deserved ticket.Thank you!!!!
hold on

Naperville, IL

#37 Nov 27, 2012
Why the Distrust wrote:
Why is there this deep, deep distrust in New Lenox for their police force?
I've lived other places (similar sized towns) where it didn't seem that the citizenry detested cops the way people do around here.
A guy once said to me that one problem around here is that, for a town this size, there's too little crime and too many police.
God help us if we had the crime rates of some neighboring towns but it DOES seem as if everywhere one drives in NL that there's a police car stopped and with radar operating.
Just an observation.
Well for one thing NLPD management had put out productivity standard recently that was far higher than most other local departments. I dont know if that has been scaled back, it seems like it may have been. And I will agree with some of the other posters. This town like many others has a lot of the get the other guy but not me mentality when it comes to traffic enforcement. They want everyone else ticketed but if they or a family member are the ones in violation then they cant believe they are getting ticketed. And thirdly and most importantly this is Topix where citizens can gripe anonymously about the evil police department. Most people do not come on here to praise the police, only to vent. So take everything on here for what its worth.
liger

New Lenox, IL

#38 Nov 27, 2012
They must not be to busy with real emergencies, or the dept priorities are screwed up if they have to set up traps by pretending to have an emergency. Dale's comment is spot on that if someone does abide by the law by stopping, slowing down, or moving over and they get hit during this staged emergency trap. I think the officers involved as well ad the chief and the dpt should be sued.
Appalled wrote:
<quoted text>
Like I stated, they are usually a little busy on other matters during "real" emergencies. A ticket after the fact doesn't help an injured first responder much, does it? If you were the one doing your job on the side of the road as cars sped by at 50 MPH, you might see this as a "real" problem too.
Why the Distrust

Bolingbrook, IL

#39 Nov 27, 2012
hold on wrote:
<quoted text>
Well for one thing NLPD management had put out productivity standard recently that was far higher than most other local departments. I dont know if that has been scaled back, it seems like it may have been. And I will agree with some of the other posters. This town like many others has a lot of the get the other guy but not me mentality when it comes to traffic enforcement. They want everyone else ticketed but if they or a family member are the ones in violation then they cant believe they are getting ticketed. And thirdly and most importantly this is Topix where citizens can gripe anonymously about the evil police department. Most people do not come on here to praise the police, only to vent. So take everything on here for what its worth.
To "hold on":

When I mentioned how so many people around here are down on the cops it wasn't meant as a Topix Forum thing. Be at a neighbor's house, a school, a community event, church, or in a normal waiting-in-line conversation and inevitably you'll hear how much Everyday Joe or Jill hates the cops.

If you go to other towns, you'll expect to hear only the low-lifes and punks ripping on law enforecment but in New Lenox it's a different story. Again I'll stress the point I've heard is that there's too many officers for too little serious crime.

Months ago there was an epidemic of catalytic converters being stolen out of the Metra lot. It seemed like a ridiculously easy little wave of crime to stop. A poster on here, however, stated that my my point of view was wrong. If a few squad cars are on surveillance, money is being spent EVEN IF THE BAD GUY IS CAUGHT. Conversely, every ticket these days is money in the bank for the village with minimum time and effort expended.

In short, folks say that crime DOES pay when it occurs in traffic and the petty offense citation goes to the village coffers. If it's some poor fellow's property that's being pillaged to the tune of several thousand dollars, the town makes nothing by investigating, pursuing it, or even solving it.

Go figure. I never wanted to be a police officer and I'm sure that it's as tough a job as ever but around here there's that peculiar disdain.
hold on

Naperville, IL

#40 Nov 27, 2012
Why the Distrust wrote:
<quoted text>
To "hold on":
When I mentioned how so many people around here are down on the cops it wasn't meant as a Topix Forum thing. Be at a neighbor's house, a school, a community event, church, or in a normal waiting-in-line conversation and inevitably you'll hear how much Everyday Joe or Jill hates the cops.
If you go to other towns, you'll expect to hear only the low-lifes and punks ripping on law enforecment but in New Lenox it's a different story. Again I'll stress the point I've heard is that there's too many officers for too little serious crime.
Months ago there was an epidemic of catalytic converters being stolen out of the Metra lot. It seemed like a ridiculously easy little wave of crime to stop. A poster on here, however, stated that my my point of view was wrong. If a few squad cars are on surveillance, money is being spent EVEN IF THE BAD GUY IS CAUGHT. Conversely, every ticket these days is money in the bank for the village with minimum time and effort expended.
In short, folks say that crime DOES pay when it occurs in traffic and the petty offense citation goes to the village coffers. If it's some poor fellow's property that's being pillaged to the tune of several thousand dollars, the town makes nothing by investigating, pursuing it, or even solving it.
Go figure. I never wanted to be a police officer and I'm sure that it's as tough a job as ever but around here there's that peculiar disdain.
Well I cant tell you why people are so down on NLPD. I can however tell you a couple of things that you most likely do not know. The towns are not getting rich from tickets. After the clerks office, courts, states attorneys etc etc, the police take an average of about $8.00 per ticket. And as for the commuter lot. I can say this now that the incident is over. NLPD was in fact on surveillance of the lot for many days and stopped a lot of suspicious activity looking for suspects. In fact not long ago they were able to arrest a suspect in the lots for burglary from vehicle using surveillance and the cameras in the lots, it was reported in the newspapers.

Surveillance is a tough thing. You set up on a place where crime has been occurring and of course nothing happens for ten days. The next day of course you get hit again, it sucks. I dont know about anyone complaining about having too many police, that sounds a little absurd. I am not doubting you heard that, it just seems strange. Most places are screaming about too few officers on the streets, so I guess we should feel blessed. And again complaining about a lack of serious crime. Wow thats a new one on me.
Why the Distrust

Bolingbrook, IL

#41 Nov 27, 2012
To "hold on":

"...I guess we should feel blessed. And again complaining about a lack of serious crime. Wow thats a new one on me."

No, no, no. It's most assuredly NOT a complaint about lack of serious crime. Rather, it's the connection about some people feeling there are too many coppers employed who don't have much to do other than write traffic tickets.

When some see that the NLPD has arrested a really bad egg through solid policing techniques, diligence and bravery, it makes the citizenry appreciate their efforts.

Conversely, when there are radar guns and parked cop cars seemingly every time one seems to turn a corner, that's what irritates folks.

One place where I'd disagree with you, "hold on", is when you state the town hardly makes any money on tickets. If it's only eight bucks somebody's screwing up and it's not just the motorists.

And if there's little money made, why not punish people by having them pick up litter along the road or such? Seems to me that'd save some dollars and make the town look better.
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#42 Nov 27, 2012
liger wrote:
They must not be to busy with real emergencies, or the dept priorities are screwed up if they have to set up traps by pretending to have an emergency. Dale's comment is spot on that if someone does abide by the law by stopping, slowing down, or moving over and they get hit during this staged emergency trap. I think the officers involved as well ad the chief and the dpt should be sued.
<quoted text>
Prevention is as much a part of the first responder's job as emergency management.

I had hoped to help you see this through the eyes of the people who stand ready to help you in an emergency. Sadly, this did not happen.

Wishing you good luck, good health and safe travels.
someone

Lake Geneva, WI

#43 Nov 27, 2012
I lived in 5 towns in my lifetime, including Chicago. Never did I feel the police weren't doing their jobs because they didn't arrest a bad egg. Police work can be tedious, stressful and boring most times, but through prevention tactics they try to keep our towns safe. What did the NL police do when the guy come out of his car shooting a gun at LW Central? There are about 5 officers on patrol at night in NL, have one minor accident at 30 and Schoolhouse and now there aren't enough police to serve the ready of the town.
ridiculous

Mokena, IL

#44 Nov 27, 2012
This entire posting is sooooo ridiculous!!

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