Vallejo City Council may cut waterfro...

Vallejo City Council may cut waterfront development funds

There are 28 comments on the Vallejo Times-Herald story from Jun 24, 2008, titled Vallejo City Council may cut waterfront development funds. In it, Vallejo Times-Herald reports that:

Funds set aside for Vallejo's downtown and waterfront redevelopment may be cut by $800,000 in an attempt to bolster the city's shrunken treasury.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Vallejo Times-Herald.

First Prev
of 2
Next Last

Since: Jun 08

United States

#24 Jun 24, 2008
Vallejo Visitor wrote:
I see the natives are restless... So much attention given to one person posting on a few threads who has a bit of insight into things Vallejo. One might think that I've gored THEIR ox. Nothing personal...
Just remember the famous Eleanor Roosevelt quote -
"Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people.
Enjoy yourselves. I'm off to dinner with a friend.

You don't have any friends. You have pissed them all off with your stupidity. Oh, wait a minute, you have one friend, Tony and the elephant.

Make sure to stock up on lots of peanuts.

Im sure we will be hearing from you again.

Still waiting for your excuse why you are not allowed inside your old work place.

Since: Mar 08

San Rafael, CA

#25 Jun 24, 2008
overpaid wrote:
completely agree with you visitor, though I think redevelopment is an important tool, if only we could do it right. Other people have: Emeryville for instance, that IKEA center and surrounding commercial is all redevelopment funds, but you need a redevelopment agency that is focused on the project, and doesn't just exist to loan money to the general fund to keep funding the contracts.
The complaint in Vallejo is the opposite, that by advancing General Fund revenues to finance redevelopment activities, read the Empress theater and a few other projects, the City Council emptied the cupboard and left the public safety unions without enough money to pay for dinner at Chez Panisse.

Emeryville is a case study in where and how redevelopment can work, but in reality, that intersection is SO desirable, that development would have happened without the need for redevelopment. All they had to do was get rid of the industrial development in the vicinity and the market would have taken care of the matter. Yes, using redevelopment allowed them to pay for demolition and site improvements by pledging future tax increment revenues to pay off bonds sold to cover costs. That isn't a horrible thing but in a hot market, there seems little need to take money that would otherwise have gone to the County or School District to pay for site improvements.

Vallejo's problem is it ISN'T the 100% corner that is sought by everyone for their business. Vallejo is a bit shabby with a few nice neighborhoods and quite a few that are showing wear, many of those on the roads leading to downtown. The waterfront is nice if you don't mind a view of industrial buildings. Former Mare Island Shipyard employees find it beautiful, but for those walking the promenade at Sausalito or Tiburon or Berkeley probably aren't too impressed. Given the demographics of the city with modest disposable income, it has been a challenge to find developers interested in building upscale restaurants that would make the waterfront more appealing. Richmond has a gorgeous marina on their waterfront and one restaurant but it too is far from busy roads and not especially desirable to any but local residents.

Those cities who began using redevelopment in the seventies and eighties learned from the mistakes of urban renewal which seemed intent on creating the kind of spaces Mussolini would have loved, with large plazas and grand buildings. The later redevelopment projects found the old buildings downtown charming and they rehabilitated them rather than tearing them down as happened in Vallejo. That came later with the Vallejo Central Project but the treasured buildings at the foot of Georgia Street were long gone.

Santa Rosa did a credible job with their downtown redevelopment but they are the County seat and have a junior college. They are also the regional center with quite a bit of commercial business to build upon. The downtown is closer to the freeway as well. San Rafael is another success story but there are big bucks in Marin County... ;-)

Vallejo is a tough sell and redevelopment offers no magic wand with which to solve every community problem. Staff and Council have their work cut out for them.
On Fire

Napa, CA

#26 Jun 25, 2008
FF -cops welfare queens (The real one, not the ps imposter)it appear that you are closer to the truth about degrees and education then you know. There is a scandal brewing in American Canyon from a recent investigation of the former fire chief who is running for the Board of Sups, for Napa County and several firefighters that received a salary bonus for presenting certificates from a institution that is not accredited or recognized through the education system. This online institution gave out degrees for a price.(Sounds like a Sunga move)They received these bonuses and the city is out of a large sum of money for bogus certficates. The ff's are represented by IAFF and you can guess who worked those negotiated perks along with the former fire chief Caldwell. This so call school apparently had been under investigation for some time and ff's in other cities had been paid bonuses for these same scam certificates. Apparently the investigator stated that the money could not be recovered because the ff's contract did not have the wording "accredited". A lie is a lie and the former chief negotiated the deal and even though the school was known to many other cities as bogus the chif did nothing. He says he didn't know the school was not accredited. Hmmm. several employees all of a sudden turn in certificates, all from the same school yet have no record of attending a single class.

This should be looked into here to make sure none of our employees received a perk from a certificate from this school. And henke is suing for defamation of charecter? Oh my! The story was in the Napa Register June 19th.

Since: Mar 08


#27 Jun 25, 2008

Actively consulted? Are you waiting for an engraved invitation? Democracy doesn't work like that. It's your obligation to participate, not the government's job to knock on your door to ask what you think.
LetUsDemand wrote:
There's no way Vallejoans will support another hike in their taxes, they have never been actively consulted by the govt. when it came to deciding who should do business in Vallejo and who should be kicked out.

San Francisco, CA

#28 Jun 25, 2008
VallejoGuy wrote:
Actively consulted? Are you waiting for an engraved invitation? Democracy doesn't work like that. It's your obligation to participate, not the government's job to knock on your door to ask what you think.
<quoted text>
Oh I don't know about that, last time I checked democracy still meant the rule of the people. If you're saying the government's obligation ends after an election, then that's probably why we have a very unpopular president.

Since: Mar 08


#30 Jun 27, 2008

Yes, but if the people are too lazy to turn off the TV and get off the couch, it's not the government's job to "actively consult" them.
LetUsDemand wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh I don't know about that, last time I checked democracy still meant the rule of the people.

Newport News, VA

#31 Jun 27, 2008
For some reason Vallejo HAS NEVER embraced big business....oh I forgot from the days of Florence Douglas because that is as far back as I can identify with, Vallejo would be riddled with the "wrong" people of socieity should we, Vallejo, allow big businesses into our little city....hmmmmmmmmm well I guess Marine World/Six Flags and Wal*Mart really showed us!!!! What a joke!! With little to nothing for ANYONE OF ANY AGE to do in Vallejo it doesn't surprise me that Vallejo is in the state it is in AND THE FACT THAT THE POCKETS OF OUR SMALL TOWN POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT WERE BEING STUFFED AND I AM SURE THERE ARE OTHER POCKETS THAT WERE OVERSTUFFED AS WELL JUST HASN'T BEEN REPORTED.....I certainly hope the new regime will find some answers that we all can live with!!!

Vallejo, CA

#32 Mar 19, 2016
Step Up Your Game wrote:
<quoted text>
What is Vallejo Station?
Vallejo Station is the transit center that replaced the York and Marine Transfer Center.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 2
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Crest Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Poll IS santee still a Racist Town? (Mar '08) 22 hr Myra 141
levas stay indoors! (Jun '08) Mar 21 Capone 52
el cajon hoodlums gang becoming a problem (Nov '07) Mar 17 tellinitlikeitis 493
Beware! Capital Growth Planning in El Cajon Emp... (Aug '10) Mar 9 Debtam 32
Need property in alpine Mar 1 Only_Dirt 1
News Trump's Refugee Order Will Impact Aid Efforts i... Jan '17 25or6to4 1
Murder Jan '17 sioux 1

Crest Jobs

More from around the web

Personal Finance

Crest Mortgages