Vallejo City Council may cut waterfro...

Vallejo City Council may cut waterfront development funds

There are 28 comments on the Vallejo Times-Herald story from Jun 24, 2008, titled Vallejo City Council may cut waterfront development funds. In it, Vallejo Times-Herald reports that:

Funds set aside for Vallejo's downtown and waterfront redevelopment may be cut by $800,000 in an attempt to bolster the city's shrunken treasury.

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MIke

United States

#1 Jun 24, 2008
Let's hope so! We can revisit that later when the powers that be have established a sensible budget and stay within its constraints.
George

Ben Lomond, CA

#2 Jun 24, 2008
Well again it goes to show us all that the budget is the council & city manager's responsibility. If they didn't have the ability to pay, why "business as usual" all these years? Plans that have been plans since I've been a resident in Vallejo for over 15 years now! As several so astutely posted, bring development and sales revenue here instead of discouraging it.

Since: Feb 08

Vallejo, CA

#3 Jun 24, 2008
“The $800,000 loan repayments will come from the downtown, Marina Vista and waterfront development projects - known collectively as the Merged Project Area. But those redevelopment projects have failed to generate enough funds for the repayments due to delays in construction and attracting new businesses.”

Maybe this is because the city council can’t seem to find the balls to get moving on anything to speed up construction and attract new businesses!
LetUsDemand

San Jose, CA

#4 Jun 24, 2008
There's no way Vallejoans will support another hike in their taxes, they have never been actively consulted by the govt. when it came to deciding who should do business in Vallejo and who should be kicked out. Dipping into everybody's pocket may be the easiest, no brainer way to generate income but what has city hall really done to justify it as a last resort solution?

Since: Mar 08

San Rafael, CA

#5 Jun 24, 2008
One of the downsides of using redevelopment powers for the City of Vallejo, which has an active Housing Authority serving over two thousand residents as well as multiple affordable housing projects downtown and elsewhere in the community, is the requirement to "set aside" 20% of tax increment revenues for ADDITIONAL affordable housing projects. Without redevelopment, ALL tax revenues would go directly to the taxing agencies, including the City of Vallejo, County of Solano, Vallejo Unified School District, ALL of which could use the revenues.

Redevelopment has offered City staff and Council members the opportunity to play a very fun game, spending big bucks on projects everyone believes are beautiful and exciting. Unfortunately, a sober assessment of what has been accomplished with the millions of dollars loaned by the City and the millions of dollars of bonded debt incurred that has been invested in redevelopment efforts, would yield a rather paltry return on investment. You can count on the fact, however, that City staff, who has drunk the Kool-Aid will not offer this assessment. They are too busy leading cheers for the next big thing, which happens to be Vallejo Station to be built where the downtown post office is now located. It will be Vallejo Station that will turn downtown around, haven't you heard? Yes, it will require a further investment of $5,000,000 the redevelopment agency doesn't have but once this little bankruptcy thing is taken care of there will likely be some fancy footwork that will scrounge up the money.

Marina Vista Urban Renewal Project - The first redevelopment project in Vallejo intended to re-energize downtown by demolishing buildings, clearing land, installing streets, underground utilities and inviting developers to invest in the neighborhood.

Flosden Redevelopment Project - This was a neighborhood project involving both demolition and rehabilitation of homes as well as installation of streets, curbs and underground utilities. The project was later expanded so tax revenues from Flosden could be used to support development of Marine World. The project was then extended into Country Club Crest across Highway 37. Redevelopment tax revenues are so sweet that projects seem never to end, they just keep changing.

South Vallejo Industrial Park - This project was expanded to become the Waterfront Development Project with addition of the Municipal Marina.

Vallejo Central Project - With downtown still struggling the decision was made to create a project in the heart of the neighborhood. Eventually, the Marina Vista, Waterfront Development and Vallejo Central were merged, likely because Vallejo Central wasn't generating any money and the merger offered a bit of help. It still hasn't made a difference, as made clear by ongoing "loans" from the general fund...

Since: Mar 08

San Rafael, CA

#6 Jun 24, 2008
Marina Vista Urban Renewal Project - Notice any big time development of late? Notice ANY big time development EVER in the almost fifty year old project? Yes, there have been THREE subsidized housing developments that invited folks with limited income to live downtown. All were fine projects that happened because the federal government offered financing incentives. Then a few banks built impressive buildings next to parking lots paid for by the Redevelopment Agency, most of which have been abandoned by their original tenants. And the federal government paid for a downtown post office at the foot of Georgia Street. The City and County built a public library across the plaza from the post office and then the City built a new City Hall next door.

Yes, there was a DENTAL office built on the edge of the waterfront, a use about as stupid as anyone could imagine, but better than nothing at all. And, of course, that dental building was the ONLY commercial building EVER built on the waterfront. Yes, a few very fine condominiums were built across Mare Island Boulevard TWENTY YEARS AGO. Beyond that, NOTHING.

Dreams of hotels, dreams of restaurants, demand for more park space, dreams of a cultural center, dreams, dreams, planning studies with gorgeous renderings of wonderful new projects... but nothing built that wasn't paid for with tax revenues either collected by the Redevelopment Agency or advanced by the City of Vallejo.

And now the Assistant City Manager/Director of Community Development promises the next big thing, Vallejo Station. The Plaza has been torn up so Georgia Street could be punched through and now the original post office will be demolished so the Station can be constructed with an adjacent parking structure and HOTEL... It seems punching Georgia Street through didn't result in ferry users flocking to downtown, so another attempt is being made to turn this particular sow's ear into a silk purse. By the way, don't count on the hotel EVER happening.

The 12 step definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. If anyone doubts that Vallejo is insane, all they have to do is look at the history of redevelopment in downtown.
Interesting

Napa, CA

#7 Jun 24, 2008
I don't say this very often, but I completely agree with VV on this one. These redevelopment projects have been a hole into which the city has poured good money after bad. Time for a reality check.
Interesting

Napa, CA

#8 Jun 24, 2008
The **** what the correct version of whole. I suppose I should have used the word 'pit'.
Step Up Your Game

Vallejo, CA

#9 Jun 24, 2008
Vallejo Visitor wrote:
Marina Vista Urban Renewal Project - Notice any big time development of late? Notice ANY big time development EVER in the almost fifty year old project? Yes, there have been THREE subsidized housing developments that invited folks with limited income to live downtown. All were fine projects that happened because the federal government offered financing incentives. Then a few banks built impressive buildings next to parking lots paid for by the Redevelopment Agency, most of which have been abandoned by their original tenants. And the federal government paid for a downtown post office at the foot of Georgia Street. The City and County built a public library across the plaza from the post office and then the City built a new City Hall next door.
Yes, there was a DENTAL office built on the edge of the waterfront, a use about as stupid as anyone could imagine, but better than nothing at all. And, of course, that dental building was the ONLY commercial building EVER built on the waterfront. Yes, a few very fine condominiums were built across Mare Island Boulevard TWENTY YEARS AGO. Beyond that, NOTHING.
Dreams of hotels, dreams of restaurants, demand for more park space, dreams of a cultural center, dreams, dreams, planning studies with gorgeous renderings of wonderful new projects... but nothing built that wasn't paid for with tax revenues either collected by the Redevelopment Agency or advanced by the City of Vallejo.
And now the Assistant City Manager/Director of Community Development promises the next big thing, Vallejo Station. The Plaza has been torn up so Georgia Street could be punched through and now the original post office will be demolished so the Station can be constructed with an adjacent parking structure and HOTEL... It seems punching Georgia Street through didn't result in ferry users flocking to downtown, so another attempt is being made to turn this particular sow's ear into a silk purse. By the way, don't count on the hotel EVER happening.
The 12 step definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. If anyone doubts that Vallejo is insane, all they have to do is look at the history of redevelopment in downtown.
What is Vallejo Station?

Since: Mar 08

San Rafael, CA

#11 Jun 24, 2008
Interesting wrote:
I don't say this very often, but I completely agree with VV on this one. These redevelopment projects have been a hole into which the city has poured good money after bad. Time for a reality check.
I'm an equal opportunity critic of things Vallejo. I've said repeatedly that Vallejo's problems arise from TWO mistakes. Your "gold-plated" contract is one of them and the other is the foolish use of redevelopment in an attempt to resuscitate downtown. I have no interest in saving money from redevelopment so that the same old, same old labor relations dance can continue. It is unfortunate that Vallejo's leaders found themselves obliged to file for bankruptcy protection to get a handle on labor costs, but there you have it. I've no doubt that all of Vallejo's foolish decisions will prove sufficient to justify its claim and secure relief.

The old adage is that to a hammer everything is a nail. Unfortunately, Vallejo's leaders have picked up a tool much favored by cities since the adoption of the Housing Act of 1949 that created the legal foundation for urban renewal while incidentally creating the Federal Housing Administration that provided the mortgage assistance that permitted explosion of development in the suburbs that exacerbated the problems facing most inner cities. Vallejo believed that demolishing all those old buildings and constructing a freeway that would have run along the waterfront would solve the problems of a downtown that increasingly was competing with shopping centers on large swaths of land surrounded by a sea of free parking. Fortunately the freeway never happened because then Vallejo would have an empty downtown AND a blighted waterfront with an elevated freeway from South Vallejo to Highway 37.

I don't blame the leaders of Vallejo for trying to use a tool that everyone else was trying, but I fault them for not having the wisdom to see it wasn't working.

Of course, it was folks not unlike those who committed to urban renewal in the mid-1950's who thought binding arbitration made sense a decade later. Neither decision has proved ultimately beneficial to the citizens. Yes, it has made quite a few city employees very well off, much more so, in fact, than the citizens paying the taxes.

You're free to pick and choose what you like of my observations, but that doesn't diminish either the accuracy of my observations or my analysis.

Since: Mar 08

San Rafael, CA

#12 Jun 24, 2008
Step Up Your Game wrote:
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What is Vallejo Station?
Do a Google search... or read the budget, or the 2007 CAFR. Here is an overview I just found...

http://www.vallejostation.com/

Since: Feb 08

Reno, NV

#14 Jun 24, 2008
Well, there goes the nieghborhood - with emphasis on the "hood!"

Since: Mar 08

San Rafael, CA

#15 Jun 24, 2008
FF-Cops -Welfare Queens wrote:
Hey Doug A.K.A Vallejo Visitor...Came out to play today? I guess your not drunk yet. How about you having a couple more drinkies and than we can play. Fucktard!
A mind is a terrible thing to waste...

Since: Jun 08

United States

#17 Jun 24, 2008
Vallejo Visitor wrote:
Marina Vista Urban Renewal Project - Notice any big time development of late? Notice ANY big time development EVER in the almost fifty year old project? Yes, there have been THREE subsidized housing developments that invited folks with limited income to live downtown. All were fine projects that happened because the federal government offered financing incentives. Then a few banks built impressive buildings next to parking lots paid for by the Redevelopment Agency, most of which have been abandoned by their original tenants. And the federal government paid for a downtown post office at the foot of Georgia Street. The City and County built a public library across the plaza from the post office and then the City built a new City Hall next door.
Yes, there was a DENTAL office built on the edge of the waterfront, a use about as stupid as anyone could imagine, but better than nothing at all. And, of course, that dental building was the ONLY commercial building EVER built on the waterfront. Yes, a few very fine condominiums were built across Mare Island Boulevard TWENTY YEARS AGO. Beyond that, NOTHING.
Dreams of hotels, dreams of restaurants, demand for more park space, dreams of a cultural center, dreams, dreams, planning studies with gorgeous renderings of wonderful new projects... but nothing built that wasn't paid for with tax revenues either collected by the Redevelopment Agency or advanced by the City of Vallejo.
And now the Assistant City Manager/Director of Community Development promises the next big thing, Vallejo Station. The Plaza has been torn up so Georgia Street could be punched through and now the original post office will be demolished so the Station can be constructed with an adjacent parking structure and HOTEL... It seems punching Georgia Street through didn't result in ferry users flocking to downtown, so another attempt is being made to turn this particular sow's ear into a silk purse. By the way, don't count on the hotel EVER happening.
The 12 step definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. If anyone doubts that Vallejo is insane, all they have to do is look at the history of redevelopment in downtown.
There you go again Doug. No one care what you have to say. You are a hater, so nothing you say matters.

Besides, how can we listen to someone who has been banned from his previous employer? How can anyone not be allowed back to the work place they used to work? Can you explain that one please?

When you get some credibility back, maybe we will listen to you. Until then, you are talking to the wind.

Besides Doug, does this move really surprise you? This city council and others have been against any development for years. Did you read the letters to the editor this morning? One more reason Vallejo is going broke. Horrible management of monies.

Get my point?

Since: Jun 08

United States

#18 Jun 24, 2008
Vallejo Visitor wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm an equal opportunity critic of things Vallejo. I've said repeatedly that Vallejo's problems arise from TWO mistakes. Your "gold-plated" contract is one of them and the other is the foolish use of redevelopment in an attempt to resuscitate downtown. I have no interest in saving money from redevelopment so that the same old, same old labor relations dance can continue. It is unfortunate that Vallejo's leaders found themselves obliged to file for bankruptcy protection to get a handle on labor costs, but there you have it. I've no doubt that all of Vallejo's foolish decisions will prove sufficient to justify its claim and secure relief.
The old adage is that to a hammer everything is a nail. Unfortunately, Vallejo's leaders have picked up a tool much favored by cities since the adoption of the Housing Act of 1949 that created the legal foundation for urban renewal while incidentally creating the Federal Housing Administration that provided the mortgage assistance that permitted explosion of development in the suburbs that exacerbated the problems facing most inner cities. Vallejo believed that demolishing all those old buildings and constructing a freeway that would have run along the waterfront would solve the problems of a downtown that increasingly was competing with shopping centers on large swaths of land surrounded by a sea of free parking. Fortunately the freeway never happened because then Vallejo would have an empty downtown AND a blighted waterfront with an elevated freeway from South Vallejo to Highway 37.
I don't blame the leaders of Vallejo for trying to use a tool that everyone else was trying, but I fault them for not having the wisdom to see it wasn't working.
Of course, it was folks not unlike those who committed to urban renewal in the mid-1950's who thought binding arbitration made sense a decade later. Neither decision has proved ultimately beneficial to the citizens. Yes, it has made quite a few city employees very well off, much more so, in fact, than the citizens paying the taxes.
You're free to pick and choose what you like of my observations, but that doesn't diminish either the accuracy of my observations or my analysis.
Doug, it is only gold plated in your mind. If you did not hate the fire and police so much, you would not take the position you have chosen.

You have sided with the dark side. The city is going to go under even further. Violent crime has already jumped in the last 30 days. There have been multiple structure fires.

Get off your little high horse, or in your case, a small elephant and make some positive changes.

You are a pathetic person with so much hate in your.

Since: Mar 08

San Rafael, CA

#19 Jun 24, 2008
I see the natives are restless... So much attention given to one person posting on a few threads who has a bit of insight into things Vallejo. One might think that I've gored THEIR ox. Nothing personal...

Just remember the famous Eleanor Roosevelt quote -

"Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people.”

Enjoy yourselves. I'm off to dinner with a friend.
Step Up Your Game

Vallejo, CA

#20 Jun 24, 2008
Vallejo Visitor wrote:
<quoted text>
Do a Google search... or read the budget, or the 2007 CAFR. Here is an overview I just found...
http://www.vallejostation.com/
Thanks!
john

Vacaville, CA

#21 Jun 24, 2008
Vallejo MAY cut development funds but, WILL cut greedy PSU's
Saul Good

Oakland, CA

#22 Jun 24, 2008
This is all Gomes fault!!!!!!!
overpaid

Vacaville, CA

#23 Jun 24, 2008
completely agree with you visitor, though I think redevelopment is an important tool, if only we could do it right. Other people have: Emeryville for instance, that IKEA center and surrounding commercial is all redevelopment funds, but you need a redevelopment agency that is focused on the project, and doesn't just exist to loan money to the general fund to keep funding the contracts.

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